Semi-Pelagianism

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Moriah: DHK is siding with the Catholics for going against your beliefs.

HP: Moreover, he is siding with Augustine in particular, in direct opposition to what was held and taught in the EC prior to Augustine. Pelagius was completely exonerated by no less than two councils before Augustine stacked the deck against him the third time around.

 

[DHK]

HP: That is a most abused passage in which you are not even considering actual context/sound application. God has and will reward men for their righteousness. That's no filthy rags in God's eyes.

No he won't, and herein is the sad downfall of Pelagianism.
I hope you will understand this truth well.

Righteousness outside of God is self-righteousness, which is an abomination before God. Israel brought their sacrifices before God and thought that they were doing good. But God did not accept them. They were mere formalities. They did not come from the heart. They went to God in their smug self-righteous attitude with their vain sacrifices. Everything was alright on the outside, but the inside was filth, full of sin.

The same is true of many today. They go through the rituals, pretending to be religious, thinking that their religion will get them to heaven. They are "good" people, outstanding in their "righteous." But it is theirs, not God's. They have not come to Christ. The don't have the righteousness of Christ, and therefore remain unsaved. Their own righteousness will not do. In the sight of God it is just filthy rags. That is all that self-righteousness is.

A good example is of the Pharisee and the publican that went to the Temple to pray. The Pharisee in his own righteousness prayed. He thanked God that he was not like "this sinner." And then he told God about all the "righteous" things that he did. But the publican did not even so much as lift his eyes up to heaven, but smote his hand upon his breast and prayed: "God be merciful to me a sinner." He had no righteousness of his own to offer God. He confessed himself to be a sinner and came to God on that basis. Therefore the Lord said that he was more righteous then the Pharisee. He went away justified but not the Pharisee.

Unless your righteousness (the righteousness of Christ) exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees (self-righteousness) you can in no way enter into the kingdom of God.

All righteousness is not good.

 

[Moriah]

HP: Moreover, he is siding with Augustine in particular, in direct opposition to what was held and taught in the EC prior to Augustine. Pelagius was completely exonerated by no less than two councils before Augustine stacked the deck against him the third time around.

I tell you, I do not know very much about Pelagius. Is there a site you agree with about him that I could read?
As for all Calvinists, and those with only the total depravity belief, they go against Catholics, yet hold onto the beliefs of Augustine is strange. I do not give anyone much credit, no matter how much they go against Catholics, if they go against true Christians too.

 

[DHK]

I tell you, I do not know very much about Pelagius. Is there a site you agree with about him that I could read?
As for all Calvinists, and those with only the total depravity belief, they go against Catholics, yet hold onto the beliefs of Augustine is strange. I do not give anyone much credit, no matter how much they go against Catholics, if they go against true Christians too.

Try here:

Pelagius was declared a heretic by the Council of Carthage. His interpretation of a doctrine of free will became known as Pelagianism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagius

 

[Moriah]

No he won't, and herein is the sad downfall of Pelagianism.
I hope you will understand this truth well.

Righteousness outside of God is self-righteousness, which is an abomination before God. Israel brought their sacrifices before God and thought that they were doing good. But God did not accept them. They were mere formalities. They did not come from the heart. They went to God in their smug self-righteous attitude with their vain sacrifices. Everything was alright on the outside, but the inside was filth, full of sin.

The same is true of many today. They go through the rituals, pretending to be religious, thinking that their religion will get them to heaven. They are "good" people, outstanding in their "righteous." But it is theirs, not God's. They have not come to Christ. The don't have the righteousness of Christ, and therefore remain unsaved. Their own righteousness will not do. In the sight of God it is just filthy rags. That is all that self-righteousness is.

A good example is of the Pharisee and the publican that went to the Temple to pray. The Pharisee in his own righteousness prayed. He thanked God that he was not like "this sinner." And then he told God about all the "righteous" things that he did. But the publican did not even so much as lift his eyes up to heaven, but smote his hand upon his breast and prayed: "God be merciful to me a sinner." He had no righteousness of his own to offer God. He confessed himself to be a sinner and came to God on that basis. Therefore the Lord said that he was more righteous then the Pharisee. He went away justified but not the Pharisee.

Unless your righteousness (the righteousness of Christ) exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees (self-righteousness) you can in no way enter into the kingdom of God.

All righteousness is not good.
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You are the one who says it is normal for a Christian to sin every day, and that his salvation is not affected by that.

 

[Moriah]

Try here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagius

I have read that site before. HP has said there are sites that do not give correct information about Pelagius. I would like a reference from HP.

 

[DHK]

You are the one who says it is normal for a Christian to sin every day, and that his salvation is not affected by that.

That is true. I don't believe a person can get through a day without sin. Thus a natural conclusion would be it is "normal," but not the will of God. We still have to confess our sin and move on. When one sins they don't lose their salvation. They are kept by the power of God. The above post doesn't talk of believers, but unbelievers.

An unbeliever cannot bring his own righteousness to God. They are as filthy rags. He has nothing to bring to God. Except a person's righteousness is greater than the righteousness of the Pharisees he can in no wise enter into the kingdom of God. This is directed at unbelievers.

 

[DHK]

I have read that site before. HP has said there are sites that do not give correct information about Pelagius. I would like a reference from HP.

The do a search. He will no doubt do the same and come up with the same sites I do.

 

[The Biblicist]

Biblicist...

I realize you conformed more to Hebrew 10:25 than some others on this thread. I simply responded to your post because you made it optional rather than revealed will of God. The revealed will of God is NEVER optional.


You said...



Of course it is. Absolutly

Usually.

But the Lords supper could occur anywhere. "Where 2 or more are gathered in My name, I am in the midst....Out in a field, in a garden, etc etc..

And I have have had the Lords supper by my self here at home. There were 2 people here, me and Jesus. (He is alive in me)

First, the church is an organized assembly of baptized believers not a building. Second, note the contrast being made by Paul between the "at home" versus at "church" location for the observance for the Supper. The church meets somewhere, it could be in someone's home but when it is meeting it is the assembly in contrast to some member's personal home. If the assembly is gathered in a field fine. However, merely two or three saved persons do not constitute a New Testament church for many reasons. First, Matthew 18:20 does not refer to any two or three saved persons in context but rather to the size of the church being discussed in context (Mt. 18:17) as the term "again" in verse 19 proves that verses 19-20 is but a further expansion of verses 15-18. The size of the congregation does not matter. What matters is that they are meeting to do whatever the church does (prayer, discipline, preaching, etc.) according to the keys of the kingdom (authority) or what Christ has authorized them to do ("in my name"). Second, the New Testament congregation is composed of "disciples" who have been discipled in keeping with the same gospel, same baptism and same faith and practice as commanded by Christ (Mt. 28:19-20) or they are unified in "the faith" once delivered (2 Thes. 3:6) as they are to withdraw from any "brother" who walks contrary to the faith (1 Cor. 5:6-13; 2 Thes. 3:6). So a New Testament congregation is not merely any two or three professors who happen to meet together. If that was the case then the local Masonic lodge could be called a "church" as the Masons require faith in God and most in America are composed of professing Christians that meet habitually together.

No. not at all.

You admitted that the congregation is inseparable from observing the Great commission and in the commission there is someone doing the "teaching" and there is someone being taught to observe all things is there not?

Our God does NOT regard and love and take care of and treasure just GROUPS of people, but also EVERY..SINGLE..SOLITARY..person.

You are missing the point! We are not talking about individual prayer, reading of scriptures or doing good deeds. We are not talking about two or three Christians simply fellowshipping together in prayer, reading or doing something. All of these things can be done in your personal life apart from any PUBLIC ASSEMBLY! My question is can you find any epistle or APPROVED example where individuals in the New Testament were not members of a PUBLIC ASSEMBLY -the church and did not habitually assemble as such?

In other words, can you find any PRECEPT or approved EXAMPLE to support individuals outside the membership of a public organized assembly - the church?

The New Testament Congregation is a PUBLIC and ORGANIZED assembly where everything is to be done decently and in order (1 Cor. 14) and over which ordained officers are placed to guide the flock (Acts 20:28). It does have a mission objective (Mt. 28:19-20). It does have discipline standards (Mt. 18:15-18; 1 Cor. 5:6-13). It does have a membership role (Acts 1:15) and it can be "added" unto (Acts 2:41) and it can be subtracted from (1 Cor. 5). It is an organized public assembly with public administrative ordinances. It is not some random meeting between professed believers regardless of their relationships, doctrine, practice or condition of life.



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[Moriah]

That is true. I don't believe a person can get through a day without sin. Thus a natural conclusion would be it is "normal," but not the will of God. We still have to confess our sin and move on. When one sins they don't lose their salvation. They are kept by the power of God. The above post doesn't talk of believers, but unbelievers.

You not only said a Christian sins and repents, you said a Christian can never give up any sin and still be saved.

An unbeliever cannot bring his own righteousness to God.

That does not make sense, nor does it have anything to do with what the discussion about filthy rags.

They are as filthy rags. He has nothing to bring to God. Except a person's righteousness is greater than the righteousness of the Pharisees he can in no wise enter into the kingdom of God. This is directed at unbelievers.

We have to exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees and teachers of the law by not murdering, but by not hating our brother. That is how we exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees and teachers of the law.
It is not as a filthy rag to seek God through Jesus, get his teachings, and obey them.

 

[The Biblicist]

HP,
DHK uses that scripture he does not understand. The scripture about filthy rags were to the Jews who kept sinning. It would not go for people seeking God through Jesus. Now, it could go for Christians who do what DHK says is normal to do, and that is believing in Jesus yet sin all day every day.

Do you believe that Jews are a different kind of human being with a different kind of human nature than Gentiles? It appears that you do, as you seem to apply some scriptures that deal with righteousness and unrighteousness to Jews and others to Gentiles as though they are different kinds of human beings with different kinds of human nature?

When it came to the problem of sin and the human nature Paul divided all human beings (Jew or Gentile) in to two classifications:

1. "in the flesh"
2. "in the Spirit"
3. Any and all who are not "in the Spirit" are "NONE OF HIS."

The reverse of this is equally true. Those "in Christ" or "in the Spirit" are neither Jew or Gentile. Hence, "in the flesh" verus" "in the Spirit" has nothing to do with ethnicity but rather the spiritual condition of man in RELATIONSHIP TO GOD.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Those "in the flesh" CANNOT PLEASE GOD or so says the Apostle Paul! What do you say Moriah? Can those "in the flesh" please God?

If those "in the flesh" can believe apart from divine intervention then they could please God because without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God:

Heb. 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Paul says those "in the flesh" CANNOT please God but if those "in the flesh" could believe then Paul is wrong and they can please God. Paul says it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God without faith and Paul says those "in the flesh" CANNOT please God.

A human being whether Jew or Gentile is either "in the flesh" or "in the Spirit" there is no THIRD option, there is no third kind of human condition, there is no third type of humanity.

Any human being not "in the Spirit" is NONE OF HIS regardless if he is a Jew or Gentile, a woman or a man, free man or a man in bonds.

Paul says that those "in the flesh" CANNOT PLEASE GOD - what do you say Moriah? Is Paul lying?

Be sure to take note that all who have the Spirit of Christ dwelling in them are not of those who are "in the flesh." Those having the indwelling Spirit are His children while those who do not are "NONE OF HIS."

 

[The Biblicist]

Do you believe that Jews are a different kind of human being with a different kind of human nature than Gentiles? It appears that you do, as you seem to apply some scriptures that deal with righteousness and unrighteousness to Jews and others to Gentiles as though they are different kinds of human beings with different kinds of human nature?

When it came to the problem of sin and the human nature Paul divided all human beings (Jew or Gentile) in to two classifications:

1. "in the flesh"
2. "in the Spirit"
3. Any and all who are not "in the Spirit" are "NONE OF HIS" = all the lost people in the world.

The reverse of this is equally true. Those "in Christ" or "in the Spirit" are neither Jew or Gentile. Hence, "in the flesh" verus" "in the Spirit" has nothing to do with ethnicity but rather the spiritual condition of man in RELATIONSHIP TO GOD.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Those "in the flesh" CANNOT PLEASE GOD or so says the Apostle Paul! What do you say Moriah? Can those "in the flesh" please God?

If those "in the flesh" can believe apart from divine intervention then they could please God because without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God:

Heb. 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Paul says those "in the flesh" CANNOT please God but if those "in the flesh" could believe then Paul is wrong and they can please God. Paul says it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God without faith and Paul says those "in the flesh" CANNOT please God.

A human being whether Jew or Gentile is either "in the flesh" or "in the Spirit" there is no THIRD option, there is no third kind of human condition, there is no third type of humanity.

Any human being not "in the Spirit" is NONE OF HIS regardless if he is a Jew or Gentile, a woman or a man, free man or a man in bonds.

Paul says that those "in the flesh" CANNOT PLEASE GOD - what do you say Moriah? Is Paul lying?

Be sure to take note that all who have the Spirit of Christ dwelling in them are not of those who are "in the flesh." Those having the indwelling Spirit are His children while those who do not are "NONE OF HIS."

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1. If any person has the Spirit of God dwelling in them they are "not in the flesh."

2. If any person does not have the Spirit of God dwelling in them they are "NONE OF HIS"

3. Saved people are "not in the flesh"

4. Hence, all who are "in the flesh" are "NONE OF HIS" = lost people in the world

Therefore "in the flesh" versus "in the Spirit" is not a distinction between Jew or Gentile but a distintion between spiritual conditions of all mankind in relationship to God.

Those "in the flesh" Paul says "cannot" (Gr. ou dunatai = no ability) please God. Having faith is the ability to please God as it is "impossible" (Gr. adunatai) to please God "without faith" (heb. 11:6).

Hence, all who are "in the flesh" have NO ABILITY to believe, have NO ABILITY to please God!

The Ability comes from the Holy Spirit as the only difference between those "in the flesh" and those "in the Spirit" is the indwelling Spirit of Christ - THERE IS NO THIRD option or a MIDDLE option between those "in the flesh" versus those "in the Spirit."

 

[Moriah]

Do you believe that Jews are a different kind of human being with a different kind of human nature than Gentiles?

You speak folly.

It appears that you do, as you seem to apply some scriptures that deal with righteousness and unrighteousness to Jews and others to Gentiles as though they are different kinds of human beings with different kinds of human nature?

I see you are beginning your illogical assumptions for defending your false beliefs.

When it came to the problem of sin and the human nature Paul divided all human beings (Jew or Gentile) in to two classifications:
1. "in the flesh"
2. "in the Spirit"
3. Any and all who are not "in the Spirit" are "NONE OF HIS."
The reverse of this is equally true. Those "in Christ" or "in the Spirit" are neither Jew or Gentile. Hence, "in the flesh" verus" "in the Spirit" has nothing to do with ethnicity but rather the spiritual condition of man in RELATIONSHIP TO GOD.

No matter that you try to put confusion into the debate, the Truth is that it is not as a filthy rag to seek God through Jesus Christ.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

However, WHEN WE ARE TAUGHT ABOUT JESUS, WE ARE NOT ENGAGING IN SIN. See Ephesians 4:18-24.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

It is ludicrousness to believe that we cannot hear about Jesus and obey. It is not only ludicrous, it is against the Word of God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

That scripture is not discounting people that are not yet saved and who are now seeking God through Jesus!

Those "in the flesh" CANNOT PLEASE GOD or so says the Apostle Paul! What do you say Moriah? Can those "in the flesh" please God?

If they get Jesus’ teachings and obey them, then God will accept them. THAT IS WHAT THE BIBLE TELLS US.

If those "in the flesh" can believe apart from divine intervention then they could please God because without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God:

You do not see that you have fallen for the false beliefs of Calvinism.

Heb. 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Paul says those "in the flesh" CANNOT please God but if those "in the flesh" could believe then Paul is wrong and they can please God. Paul says it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God without faith and Paul says those "in the flesh" CANNOT please God.

YOU JUST GAVE A SCRIPTURE THAT PROVES YOUR BELIEFS WRONG. Hebrews 11:6 tells us that when we come to God we must believe that he is, and that God will reward us for diligently seeking him. YET YOU SAY WE CANNOT UNLESS WE ARE ALREADY SAVED. To say we have to be already saved to seek God is insane talk when God tells us this is how we are saved.

A human being whether Jew or Gentile is either "in the flesh" or "in the Spirit" there is no THIRD option, there is no third kind of human condition, there is no third type of humanity.

Where are you coming up with this type of thoughts? The Jews who were the chosen people of God, they were God’s children, they had the words of God and the covenants, yet when they sinned against God, it made their righteous acts as filthy rags. That would be like DHK saying a believer can give a gift to a poor person, yet he hate his own brother. The righteous act would be as a filthy rag.

Any human being not "in the Spirit" is NONE OF HIS regardless if he is a Jew or Gentile, a woman or a man, free man or a man in bonds.

Again, you do not understand the scripture about filthy rags.

Paul says that those "in the flesh" CANNOT PLEASE GOD - what do you say Moriah? Is Paul lying?

You do not understand the scriptures, so you heap abuse on true Christians.

 

[DHK]

You not only said a Christian sins and repents, you said a Christian can never give up any sin and still be saved.

Please don't take my words out of context or misquote me. That is not ethical, and it is sin.
The first part is true. When a Christian sins he needs to repent of his sin. This is needs to be a daily practice with every sin. Every day one needs to come to the Lord and begin his devotions with prayer, starting with confession of sin. I have never said that a Christian can never give up any sin. That is a false accusation. A Christian can give up any sin. There is no sin that a Christian cannot give up. Why shouldn't he be able to give up sin? Your accusation is ludicrous. However, if he lapses into the same sin again it doesn't mean he loses his salvation. There are some sins that we do again and again that are almost impossible to completely abstain from: lying, coveting, and as far as you are concerned "misrepresenting others on this board which is slander."

1 Timothy 3:11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
--I hope you are not a deacon's wife! :laugh:

That does not make sense, nor does it have anything to do with what the discussion about filthy rags.

"Ye do err not knowing the Scriptures..."
The Scripture says: Isa.64:6 "All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags..."
It is the self-righteousness of man that is as filthy rags in the sight of God. That is what the verse specifically says. Accept it.

We have to exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees and teachers of the law by not murdering, but by not hating our brother. That is how we exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees and teachers of the law.

Poppycock!!
Some of those that are near and dear to me practiced that all of their lives; and then they died and went to hell because they trusted in their religion and not in Christ.
You have just described a hellish religion of works, not in the biblical message of salvation in Christ by grace through faith and not of works.

That puts your own salvation into question.
Are you going to heaven because you do good? Because you love your brother, and don't murder. That is what you just said.

I am going to heaven because I clothed in the righteousness of Jesus Christ. When Christ looks down upon me he does not see the sinful me, he sees his robe of righteousness that covers all my sin. That is the righteousness that is so much greater than the righteousness of the Pharisees. Unless you have that righteousness, that righteousness that only comes from Christ, you can in no wise enter into the kingdom of God. I hope you do. I sincerely hope that you have the righteousness of Jesus Christ. That is the only righteousness that exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees, and the only righteousness that God accepts.

It is not as a filthy rag to seek God through Jesus, get his teachings, and obey them.

It is if it is through your own righteousness. There have been many false professions made; they have been made for various reasons, some of which because in their own heart they still thought they were good enough. Their own self-righteousness got in the way.

 

[The Biblicist]

You speak folly.

I see you are beginning your illogical assumptions for defending your false beliefs.

No matter that you try to put confusion into the debate, the Truth is that it is not as a filthy rag to seek God through Jesus Christ.

However, WHEN WE ARE TAUGHT ABOUT JESUS, WE ARE NOT ENGAGING IN SIN. See Ephesians 4:18-24.

It is ludicrousness to believe that we cannot hear about Jesus and obey. It is not only ludicrous, it is against the Word of God.


That scripture is not discounting people that are not yet saved and who are now seeking God through Jesus!

If they get Jesus’ teachings and obey them, then God will accept them. THAT IS WHAT THE BIBLE TELLS US.

You do not see that you have fallen for the false beliefs of Calvinism.

YOU JUST GAVE A SCRIPTURE THAT PROVES YOUR BELIEFS WRONG. Hebrews 11:6 tells us that when we come to God we must believe that he is, and that God will reward us for diligently seeking him. YET YOU SAY WE CANNOT UNLESS WE ARE ALREADY SAVED. To say we have to be already saved to seek God is insane talk when God tells us this is how we are saved.

Where are you coming up with this type of thoughts? The Jews who were the chosen people of God, they were God’s children, they had the words of God and the covenants, yet when they sinned against God, it made their righteous acts as filthy rags. That would be like DHK saying a believer can give a gift to a poor person, yet he hate his own brother. The righteous act would be as a filthy rag.

Again, you do not understand the scripture about filthy rags.

You do not understand the scriptures, so you heap abuse on true Christians.

Try dealing with Paul's words - they are inspired words but yours are not.

Paul said those "in the flesh" CANNOT please God. In order to please God those coming to God must come in faith (Heb. 11:6) or else it is "impossible to please God - hence, those "in the flesh" have no ability to come to God in faith, because if they could then Paul could not say those "in the flesh CANNOT please God."

Your problem is not with me but with Romans 8:8 and Paul's absolute assertion that those "in the flesh CANNOT please God." Do you agree with Paul?

Paul classifies ALL HUMANS in one of two SPIRITUAL CONDITIONS

1. Any human is either "in the flesh" or "in the Spirit" and if they are not "in the spirit" it is because "HE IS NONE OF HIS."

2. Therefore, the only ones that are His are those who are "in the Spirit" and they have the Spirit dwelling in them and all others are lost.


You need to read again what I said very carefully because it is obvious you have not even grasped what I said or what Paul said.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

DHK: This is needs to be a daily practice with every sin. Every day one needs to come to the Lord and begin his devotions with prayer, starting with confession of sin. I have never said that a Christian can never give up any sin. That is a false accusation. A Christian can give up any sin. There is no sin that a Christian cannot give up. Why shouldn't he be able to give up sin?

HP: You speak out of both sides of your mouth. You tell us that you sin every day. Either you are inventing new and different sins on a daily basis or you are practicing some daily. One that is practicing sins daily has no more repented of them than a man in the moon has repented of his. You may confess your sins as often as you so like, but repentance and confession are not one in the same. An alcoholic can confess he is an alcoholic every day, but is that repenting of his alcoholism? A thief can confess he is a thief every day but what good does that do him? Repentance and confession are miles apart, and it is repentance, i.e., a change of heart towards ones sins, that God requires to be saved and to gain forgiveness for sins that are past.

Repentance involves godly sorrow and turning away from ones sins, not repeating them day after day. When one admits they sin every day and claims no one can live without committing some sins every day, there are some sins they are saying they can never give up or you are refusing to give up. If you can give them up, why are you not giving them up? Could it not be said that such a one loves their sin more than they desire to obey God?

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Help us Lord!

 

[DHK]

HP: You speak out of both sides of your mouth. You tell us that you sin every day. Either you are inventing new and different sins on a daily basis or you are practicing some daily. One that is practicing sins daily has no more repented of them than a man in the moon has repented of his. You may confess your sins as often as you so like, but repentance and confession are not one in the same. An alcoholic can confess he is an alcoholic every day, but is that repenting of his alcoholism? A thief can confess he is a thief every day but what good does that do him? Repentance and confession are miles apart, and it is repentance, i.e., a change of heart towards ones sins, that God requires to be saved and to gain forgiveness for sins that are past.

Repentance involves godly sorrow and turning away from ones sins, not repeating them day after day. When one admits they sin every day and claims no one can live without committing some sins every day, there are some sins they are saying they can never give up or you are refusing to give up. If you can give them up, why are you not giving them up? Could it not be said that such a one loves their sin more than they desire to obey God?

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Help us Lord!

Have you repented of lying and never lied again?
Have you repented of misrepresenting others or what they have said on this board, and have never done it again?
Have you repented of not having control of your emotions and have never done it again?
Have you coveted more than one time in your life?
Have you repented of having evil thoughts, and it has never happened again?
What about having devotions? A consistent prayer life? Giving thanks always? Pray without ceasing?

 

[DHK]

HP: You speak out of both sides of your mouth. You tell us that you sin every day. Either you are inventing new and different sins on a daily basis or you are practicing some daily.

Are you sure you don't practice sin every day?
Here is a check list for you:

http://www.amazingbible.org/Document...ist_part_6.htm

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

DHK, I will use the Word of God and my own conscience before the Lord as my check list.

 

[DHK]

DHK, I will use the Word of God and my own conscience before the Lord as my check list.

Sometimes one needs reminders.