Semi-Pelagianism

[DHK]

What you say is almost laughable, if it were not so full of error.

Yet you can't point to that error.

I have given you many scriptures that say repent of your SINS.

But when I ask you for one you can't post it.

For you to throw in that the Bible does not say ALL of your sins is a creepy debate tactic of confusion.

Creepy?? Why?
That is what you teach isn't it--that we need to repent of all of our sins?? If that is true then there must be some Bible teaching on it. Where is it?

Since you do not except the scriptures that I gave that say repent of your sins, and you claim that does not mean ALL your sins, then how many sins do you claim is YOUR SINS if not all of them.

Give me scripture first. I haven't seen any.
You gave scripture on forgiveness; none on repentance.

 

[Moriah]

Yet you can't point to that error.

But when I ask you for one you can't post it.

Creepy?? Why?
That is what you teach isn't it--that we need to repent of all of our sins?? If that is true then there must be some Bible teaching on it. Where is it?

Give me scripture first. I haven't seen any.
You gave scripture on forgiveness; none on repentance.

Are you blind? I gave many scriptures saying repent of yours sins.

Since you do not except the scriptures that I gave that say repent of your sins, and you claim that does not mean ALL your sins, then how many do you claim is YOUR SINS if not all of them.

 

[DHK]

Are you blind? I gave many scriptures saying repent of yours sins.

Since you do not except the scriptures that I gave that say repent of your sins, and you claim that does not mean ALL your sins, then how many do you claim is YOUR SINS if not all of them.

One at a time then. Just give one verse. Just one.

 

[Moriah]

One at a time then. Just give one verse. Just one.

Matthew 3:6
Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.

 

[DHK]

Matthew 3:6
Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.

Still, not one verse on repentance.

 

[Moriah]

Still, not one verse on repentance.

You want us all to believe that confessing and asking for forgiveness is not repenting. You are going against the Word of God.

Here is a scripture that has repentance and sins. This scripture even tells you that forgiveness is connected to repentance.

Luke 3:3
He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

 

[DHK]

You want us all to believe that confessing and asking for forgiveness is not repenting. You are going against the Word of God.

Here is a scripture that has repentance and sins. This scripture even tells you that forgiveness is connected to repentance.

Luke 3:3
He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

Luke 3:2-3 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

John the Baptist was the last of the OT prophets. His baptism was a baptism of repentance. This is not a NT message. It is pre-cross. It is not a message of salvation for the NT believer. You will have to do better than that.

 

[Moriah]

Luke 3:2-3 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;

John the Baptist was the last of the OT prophets. His baptism was a baptism of repentance. This is not a NT message. It is pre-cross. It is not a message of salvation for the NT believer. You will have to do better than that.

Paul preached to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, that they should REPENT AND TURN TO GOD and prove their repentance by their deeds .

Do you want the scripture that says that? LOL

 

[DHK]

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Paul preached to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, that they should REPENT AND TURN TO GOD and prove their repentance by their deeds .

Do you want the scripture that says that? LOL

Yes, look at those Scriptures. Does Paul teach that one must repent of their sins. In fact where in the Bible does it teach that one must repent of all their sins in order to be saved. The Bible doesn't say or teach that.

 

[Moriah]

Yes, look at those Scriptures. Does Paul teach that one must repent of their sins. In fact where in the Bible does it teach that one must repent of all their sins in order to be saved. The Bible doesn't say or teach that.

What is the matter DHK? Did you learn something? Maybe you will be more careful next time when you tell someone they need to do better than that.
You have been shown that repenting of sins is a New Testament teaching and not just pre cross, as you say.

Here again is a scripture that tells people to REPENT of THEIR SINS.
Luke 3:3

He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

Here is another scripture for you.

Mark 1:5 The whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.

Did you see it? “Confessing their sins,” sins are plural.

 

[DHK]

What is the matter DHK? Did you learn something? Maybe you will be more careful next time when you tell someone they need to do better than that.
You have been shown that repenting of sins is a New Testament teaching and not just pre cross, as you say.

Here again is a scripture that tells people to REPENT of THEIR SINS.
Luke 3:3

He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

Here is another scripture for you.

Mark 1:5 The whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.

Did you see it? “Confessing their sins,” sins are plural.

1. Confessing is not repenting.
2. Do you not remember that we discussed John the Baptist ministry. His baptism of repentance is an OT message which cannot save.
3. You told me in your last post you would post from what Paul said; you have changed your mind??????

 

[Moriah]

1. Confessing is not repenting.
2. Do you not remember that we discussed John the Baptist ministry. His baptism of repentance is an OT message which cannot save.
3. You told me in your last post you would post from what Paul said; you have changed your mind??????

1. Confessing is not repenting.

Confessing is not repenting if you are as a filthy rag. Is that what you are promoting, a filthy rag confession? Are you promoting a confession of no desire to repent? You want us to believe confession without repentance is the kind of confession the scriptures are telling us to do. No way, for if a person confesses their sins to God through Jesus, they had better be sorry and wants to stop.

2. Do you not remember that we discussed John the Baptist ministry. His baptism of repentance is an OT message which cannot save.

I gave you scripture that Paul says to repent and prove repentance by deeds, and you are still going against the Word of God.

3. You told me in your last post you would post from what Paul said; you have changed your mind??????

Are you asking for the scripture where Paul says that? LOL Do you not know how to Google?

 

[DHK]

Are you asking for the scripture where Paul says that? LOL Do you not know how to Google?

Are you serious? This is how you do your Bible Studies--by "googling"??

 

[Moriah]

Are you serious? This is how you do your Bible Studies--by "googling"??

Maybe you need to learn how to study that way, you could have found the scripture where Paul says to repent and turn to God and prove repentance by your deeds.

 

[The Biblicist]

2. Do you not remember that we discussed John the Baptist ministry. His baptism of repentance is an OT message which cannot save.

I agree with you more than I do Moriah. However, it is a serious mistake to say that "the baptism of repentance is an OT message which cannot save." That is absolutely false!

John preached the very same gospel (Jn. 3:36) that Jesus did (Jn. 3;16) and the phrase "baptism of repentance" simply meant that John demanded "fruit of repentance" before he would administer baptism to anyone (Mt. 3:6-8). Luke 24:46 phrases the Great commission in the same terms "repentance should be preached unto all nations."

However, confession and repentance are not one and the same as you say. Repentance is a change of heart, mind and will from sin toward faith in Christ. Gospel confession is not in regard to sin but in regard to faith in the gospel of Christ.

 

[Moriah]

However, confession and repentance are not one and the same as you say. Repentance is a change of heart, mind and will from sin toward faith in Christ. Gospel confession is not in regard to sin but in regard to faith in the gospel of Christ.

Another one who claims confession of sins is not confession of sins in a contrite way that is in fact repentance. Are you suggesting people should confess in a filthy rags way? You also say they do not have to confess their sins, you are wrong.

 

[DHK]

I agree with you more than I do Moriah. However, it is a serious mistake to say that "the baptism of repentance is an OT message which cannot save." That is absolutely false!

John baptized on the basis of repentance. Christ had not died. John chased away the Pharisees because they had no fruit of repentance.

John preached the very same gospel (Jn. 3:36) that Jesus did (Jn. 3;16) and the phrase "baptism of repentance" simply meant that John demanded "fruit of repentance" before he would administer baptism to anyone (Mt. 3:6-8). Luke 24:46 phrases the Great commission in the same terms "repentance should be preached unto all nations."

However, I was trying to get out of the gospels, and at least get into the book of Acts or farther. The Holy Spirit came on the Day of Pentecost. The gospel is defined as the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Thus that message of repentance is not exactly the same as the gospel message of the rest of the NT. In fact there is very little "repentance" spoken of in the epistles. The emphasis is on faith.

However, confession and repentance are not one and the same as you say. Repentance is a change of heart, mind and will from sin toward faith in Christ. Gospel confession is not in regard to sin but in regard to faith in the gospel of Christ.

I agree with you. But Moriah is absolutely confused on many of these terms.

 

[DHK]

Another one who claims confession of sins is not confession of sins in a contrite way that is in fact repentance. Are you suggesting people should confess in a filthy rags way? You also say they do not have to confess their sins, you are wrong.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

There is a command to confess, and a command to believe, but nothing is said about repentance.

 

[Moriah]

However, confession and repentance are not one and the same as you say. Repentance is a change of heart, mind and will from sin toward faith in Christ. Gospel confession is not in regard to sin but in regard to faith in the gospel of Christ.

LOL You are saying that James is telling us to say to each other, “We have faith in the gospel of Christ,” and that it does not mean they should confess their sins! lol

James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

 

[Moriah]

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

There is a command to confess, and a command to believe, but nothing is said about repentance.

LOL You want to teach that falseness too. So, you are saying that James is telling us to say to each other, “We have faith in the gospel of Christ,” and that it does not mean they should confess their sins!

James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.