Sen. Edward Kennedy Dies at 77

[swaimj]

It is hard for me to admire someone who was so pro-abortion, and someone whose behavior at the bridge incident sullied his intergrity, imo.

There is much lacking in his life. However, in life, we often find ourselves working with people who are unregenerate and who are detestable in many ways. Nevertheless, they are made in the image of God and, if we look closely, we can find that image in them. This reminds us that we need to love them and we need to seek to win them to Christ. In my initial post on this thread, I said, "what do I tell my sons about Ted Kennedy?" I want my sons to learn to love people who are not Christians rather than to detest them and sit in judgement on them. I see Christians on this board who do not act properly toward the unsaved and I think it is worth pointing out. When I suggested that, if we love others, they might be converted, one person on the board suggested that this is impossible. When we look at the unsaved this way, we, as Christians, are being overcome by evil. This is not God's will.

 

[carpro]

Kennedy's family deserves our sympathy and our prayers.

I will not miss him nor regret his passing.

He did too much harm to too many people to be overly concerned with his passing.

 

[Jedi Knight]

He was a ROARING LION seeking to devour babies from their mothers wombs.

 

[Timsings]

. . . I see nowhere in scripture a command to make the world a better place. . . .

I find this to be an amazing assertion. Isn't that the implication of the whole gospel message? "Love your neighbor as yourself." The parable of the Good Samaritan. Healing on the Sabbath. Driving the moneychangers out of the Temple. Zacchaeus. The Beatitudes. I could go on. Maybe there isn't a scripture that says, "Go ye therefore and make the world a better place." But I believe that that is the intent of the bulk of the gospel message.

Tim Reynolds

 

[Revmitchell]

The Kingdom of God is not focused on making this world a better place. This utilitarian religion is another gospel.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I find this to be an amazing assertion. Isn't that the implication of the whole gospel message? "Love your neighbor as yourself." The parable of the Good Samaritan. Healing on the Sabbath. Driving the moneychangers out of the Temple. Zacchaeus. The Beatitudes. I could go on. Maybe there isn't a scripture that says, "Go ye therefore and make the world a better place." But I believe that that is the intent of the bulk of the gospel message.

Tim Reynolds

You are right. What a perversion of Christ's message to say we are not to try to make our world better and help people.

Also try these verses:

31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45“He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

It seems there are those who call themselves Christian who have never read or choose to ignore this passage. It is all about helping others and making the world and peoples lives better.

This is one of the hard lessons from Christ that far too many ignore.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I find this to be an amazing assertion. Isn't that the implication of the whole gospel message? "Love your neighbor as yourself." The parable of the Good Samaritan. Healing on the Sabbath. Driving the moneychangers out of the Temple. Zacchaeus. The Beatitudes. I could go on. Maybe there isn't a scripture that says, "Go ye therefore and make the world a better place." But I believe that that is the intent of the bulk of the gospel message.

Tim Reynolds

Actually, the bulk of the Gospel message is "Christ died for your sins". When you find a command to preach something else, please post it. Christians are supposed to act like Christians, and I find it pretty offensive that the leftists among us assume we do no charity work. And I find it very offensive to have them tell me, after all the corruption & failure of the government's welfare programs, that the answer is more of the same. Jesus also had warnings about fools and money. He also said don't feed those who won't work. Yet the liberals always ignore these verses when they read us the Bible. Where does the bible say to do your giving with other people's money ? Where does it say to assume others don't give ? I thought the left's favorite verse was "judge not...".

You guys go ahead and brag about your giving. Mine is between me and the Lord. The government has proven it'self over & over to be an extremely poor steward of my money, so expect me to fight them when they demand more.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I find this to be an amazing assertion.

Isn't it though?

 

[Timsings]

Actually, the bulk of the Gospel message is "Christ died for your sins". When you find a command to preach something else, please post it. Christians are supposed to act like Christians, and I find it pretty offensive that the leftists among us assume we do no charity work. And I find it very offensive to have them tell me, after all the corruption & failure of the government's welfare programs, that the answer is more of the same. Jesus also had warnings about fools and money. He also said don't feed those who won't work. Yet the liberals always ignore these verses when they read us the Bible. Where does the bible say to do your giving with other people's money ? Where does it say to assume others don't give ? I thought the left's favorite verse was "judge not...".

You guys go ahead and brag about your giving. Mine is between me and the Lord. The government has proven it'self over & over to be an extremely poor steward of my money, so expect me to fight them when they demand more.

You've piled a lot of baggage on me that has nothing to do with my post. I've highlighted the pertinent comments. My post was merely a comment on something you said. Don't go off the deep end with me because somebody else said something in the past that you didn't agree with.

Tim Reynolds

 

[Marcia]

There is much lacking in his life. However, in life, we often find ourselves working with people who are unregenerate and who are detestable in many ways. Nevertheless, they are made in the image of God and, if we look closely, we can find that image in them. This reminds us that we need to love them and we need to seek to win them to Christ. In my initial post on this thread, I said, "what do I tell my sons about Ted Kennedy?" I want my sons to learn to love people who are not Christians rather than to detest them and sit in judgement on them. I see Christians on this board who do not act properly toward the unsaved and I think it is worth pointing out. When I suggested that, if we love others, they might be converted, one person on the board suggested that this is impossible. When we look at the unsaved this way, we, as Christians, are being overcome by evil. This is not God's will.

Seeing everyone as made in the image of God does not mean trying to admire someone who had some very strong anti-biblical views. We can accept that someone is made in the image of God and needs Christ without pulling out bits and pieces to make them look good. IOW, yes, we should want all men to come to Christ but we don't have to admire them or find something about them that is "good" in order to do so. We want them to come to Christ because Christ died for them (or God loves them, or whatever your theology/soteriology is).

I clearly have never advocated hating anyone - not since I became a Christian. And nothing I've said here as been advocating hating or looking down on anyone.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You've piled a lot of baggage on me that has nothing to do with my post. I've highlighted the pertinent comments. My post was merely a comment on something you said. Don't go off the deep end with me because somebody else said something in the past that you didn't agree with.

Tim Reynolds

Like what ? You told me I'm missing the bulk of the gospel message. Your message told me I didn't love my neighbor enough. How else am I supposed to take that ?

 

[OldRegular]

You are right. What a perversion of Christ's message to say we are not to try to make our world better and help people.

Also try these verses:



It seems there are those who call themselves Christian who have never read or choose to ignore this passage. It is all about helping others and making the world and peoples lives better.

This is one of the hard lessons from Christ that far too many ignore.

Those remarks say nothing that warrants the establishment of a dictatorial , atheistic communist state. That seems to be what you Obama lovers want!

 

[webdog]

Page 14...I don't think this is a "current event" anymore

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Also, Teddy told us we needed to raise taxes on the rich, yet he protected his family's wealth from his own policies. And we need to look no further than his refusal to allow windmills to be put in a place where it would ruin his sunset views on Martha's Vineyard, and get in the path of his family's sailboats. I do not celebrate his death, but while he was alive, he was a hyp-o-crite. There is no other way to describe him.

 

[Robert Snow]

You've piled a lot of baggage on me that has nothing to do with my post.

That's old Curtis alright. Just wait until he can't answer you and he will throw a tantrum accuse you of who knows what and refuse to debate with you any more. :laugh:

Send him a PM and he will make farther insults and threaten to accuse you of harassment if you reply to his rant. :laugh:

 

[Crabtownboy]

Page 14...I don't think this is a "current event" anymore

Yeah, kind of funny how some threads are shut as soon as the 3 page limit is reached and others allowed to go on and on and on an one ...................................................................

 

[Bro. Curtis]

That's old Curtis alright. Just wait until he can't answer you and he will throw a tantrum accuse you of who knows what and refuse to debate with you any more. :laugh:

Send him a PM and he will make farther insults and threaten to accuse you of harassment if you reply to his rant. :laugh:

Why don't you post the P.M. exchange we had ?

 

[Timsings]

That's old Curtis alright. Just wait until he can't answer you and he will throw a tantrum accuse you of who knows what and refuse to debate with you any more. :laugh:

Send him a PM and he will make farther insults and threaten to accuse you of harassment if you reply to his rant. :laugh:

Thanks for the tip.

Tim Reynolds

 

[Robert Snow]

Why don't you post the P.M. exchange we had ?

Originally Posted by Bro. Curtis
You don't seem to know, or care to know, anything about scripture.

Compassion is not telling lies about the Bible's teachings on hell. You can show people "love & compassion" and send them to the place you don't believe exists. You won't be able to hide behind M.P. at the Great White Throne. Good luck.

My reply:
What makes you think I will be at the Great White Throne judgment? Are you trying to say I am not saved? If so, come on, don't be a coward.

Here is it. You backhandedly questioned my salvation, and I called you on it.

BTW, Christians will be at the Judgment Seat of Christ; the unsaved will be at the Great White Throne Judgment, so maybe you are the one who needs to study your bible a little better.

 

[donnA]

Yeah, kind of funny how some threads are shut as soon as the 3 page limit is reached and others allowed to go on and on and on an one ...................................................................

It's usually LE who shuts a thread at 3 pages and since she is no longer a mod, I have assumed thats why so many threads keep going even after the 3 page limit. Theres no one else on the job.