Thank you for that list, and I would love to opine on each point. I am pretty busy today, and tonite is Bible study. I plan on getting to this, but I do want to acknowledge you at least attempted to answer myquestion.
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Sen. Edward Kennedy Dies at 77
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Thank you for that list, and I would love to opine on each point. I am pretty busy today, and tonite is Bible study. I plan on getting to this, but I do want to acknowledge you at least attempted to answer myquestion.
Aaron commented:
Aaron, Republicans who knew him, and who disagreed with him strongly, are speaking highly of him as a human being. Kennedy had deep friendships with people who were his political opponents. Jesus said "Be kind to those who despitefully use you". Ted Kennedy seems to have understood this principle. He befriended his enemies just as Jesus befriended His. Yes, God help us to emulate this. God help my sons to emulate this. It is a godly trait.
You are right. It was very interesting seeing Republicans who opposed Kennedy on most everything he was in favor of speaking very highly of him as a person last night on The New Hour. I also found it very interesting hearing some speak of how religious he was and how he lived out his understanding of Christ's commands on how we are to treat other people. They did not say he was not flawed. Tell me who is not flawed? I had forgotten Kennedy's speech where he confessed he was flawed in his personal life and how there was no one to blame but himself.
How many of us on this board are that honest? How many of us know our flaws? Perhaps all of us should do some introspection before we damn others.
We uphold David in the OT and David was very flawed.
We uphold Peter and we know Peter was flawed, he denied Christ three times and Paul had to dress him down.
Paul was flawed, committed murder by approving the stoning of Stephen.
The list could go on and on. One thing about the Bible it does not gloss over the flaws of the people written about.
Our self righteousness, as shown in this thread must make God want to throw up.
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Magnetic Poles
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I am reminded of words from 2 Timothy, Chapter 3:
People will be ... having a form of godliness but denying its power.
OldRegular
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A man is justified before God by his faith.
Romans 3:28. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 5:1. Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Galatians 3:24. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
It is you and some others on this thread who have praised Kennedy. You, swaimj, have judged him to be godly man. I leave his judgment in the hands of God. But you and crabtownboy have made yourselves my judge because I have told the truth about Kennedy. You both might consider the following Scripture:
Isaiah 5:20. Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
I have looked at Kennedy as a deeply flawed man; his deepest flaw being his continued support of the slaughter of 50 million unborn children. I will condemn Kennedy and any other person who advocates the slaughter of unborn children. I can make the judgment that their behavior does not portray the image of Jesus Christ. I can make the judgment that anyone who supports abortion does not portray the image of Jesus Christ.
Can you find Scripture to support your contention that "all men are godly in some respects?"
I can find Scripture that states otherwise:
Psalms 53:1-3
1. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
2. God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
3. Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Isaiah 53:6. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isaiah 64:6. But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Can you find Scripture to support your contention that the image of Jesus Christ is in every man?
Would you contend that the image of Jesus Christ is in those who slaughter the unborn? If so then you must concede that Kennedy aided and abetted the slaughter of 50 million persons in whom was the image of Jesus Christ.
Would you contend that the image of Jesus Christ was in those who destroyed the World Trade Towers? Just where do you draw the line on those in which the image of Jesus Christ exists?
I believe that Scripture teaches that the image of Jesus Christ can only exist in those who are Christians and then imperfectly.
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OldRegular
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The self righteousness of those who support the slaughter of 50 million unborn babies must make God want to throw up. The self righteousness of those who continue to support the slaughter of unborn babies must make God want to throw up.
Kinda like those who say the Bible is fraught with terrorist threats ?
Please, M.P.. You cannot claim any moral high ground.
OldRegular
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Republicans got nothing when negotiating with Kennedy.
Well Joe did give his blood in the defense of this country. I can't say the same for the others though John and Bobby were assassinated.
By the way don't tell the people of Mass. and apparently some on this Forum that "the Kennedy's were not gods"!
Originally Posted by preachinjesus
- Sought out raising the minimum wage for the lowest class of people
I am not sure his name was on that legislation, but It could be intelligently argued that minimum wage hikes lead to layoffs, less hiring, less benefits, and other ill effects, in so hurting the very people he is claiming to help.
Like what ? Each one of his actions had an increase in poverty. What were the effective measures he led ?
This is not evident anywhere.
What were his actions, and what were the results ? I don't know of anything he pushed thru....
Lotsa politicians did this. But some of Kennedy's leftist buddies have actually tried to stop animal research, which has proven to be extremely successful in fighting all kinds of disease.
I'd like to see both of these.
Yup. He loved ACORN, and their actions in the last election sure could be called "reform".
I'd like to see his actions in this regard.
Those seem to be some good contributions.
Letting my light shine. I see nowhere in scripture a command to make the world a better place. What we end up doing is springboarding people right into Hell.
Ted Kennedy's biggest fault, in my eyes, is his desire to do good with other people's money. His immigration reform of '65 was a disaster, as was "No Child Left Behind". And I am still disgusted by his attacks on Robert Bork. Did his accusations that Bork would put blacks back into segregated restaurants make this world a better place ?
Magnetic Poles
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Despite your undying adoration, it isn't all about me, Curtis. Try to stay on topic.
Curtis you have been exposed for supporting govenor of Montana,why be nasty to others
WATCH THIS Curtis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMfRunxpUPQ
then try to wiggle out of judging Kennedy or perhaps look in the mirror and see your support of abortion through elected officials if that does not convict your heart then it is hopeless for you.
You yourself supported a pro abortion governor and by the way you have not fully explained that. For those who don't know Curtis bragged about voting for the governor and exalted this man as someone to vote for and this man is pro abortion and yet Rev.Mitchell and Old Regular embrace Curtis. The hypocrisy is really thick with what I see as the extreme crowd it is all about hating and being nasty(Curtis you bragged again that it was okay to be nasty on the political board and your know it) to your fellow Christians but yet they let Curtis get away with supporting abortion by voting for the governor of Montana.
http://www.issues2000.org/states/MT_Abortion.htm
repentance much
Kennedy may have been flawed but he was not evil incarnate like the extreme crowd makes him out to be , if anything he is with King David in the extreme of what he did and King David went on to do good and a man after Gods own heart.
I know off topic but the hypocrisy of Curtis and others is so thick.
God have mercy on us all, we all deserve hell but thanks be to our Lord Jesus Christ who loves us all , even Edward M. Kennedy.
blessings and thank God I am back on the road soon away from this hate and hypocrisy.
WATCH THIS Curtis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMfRunxpUPQ
then try to wiggle out of judging Kennedy or perhaps look in the mirror and see your support of abortion through elected officials if that does not convict your heart then it is hopeless for you.
You yourself supported a pro abortion governor and by the way you have not fully explained that. For those who don't know Curtis bragged about voting for the governor and exalted this man as someone to vote for and this man is pro abortion and yet Rev.Mitchell and Old Regular embrace Curtis. The hypocrisy is really thick with what I see as the extreme crowd it is all about hating and being nasty(Curtis you bragged again that it was okay to be nasty on the political board and your know it) to your fellow Christians but yet they let Curtis get away with supporting abortion by voting for the governor of Montana.
http://www.issues2000.org/states/MT_Abortion.htm
repentance much
Kennedy may have been flawed but he was not evil incarnate like the extreme crowd makes him out to be , if anything he is with King David in the extreme of what he did and King David went on to do good and a man after Gods own heart.
I know off topic but the hypocrisy of Curtis and others is so thick.
God have mercy on us all, we all deserve hell but thanks be to our Lord Jesus Christ who loves us all , even Edward M. Kennedy.
blessings and thank God I am back on the road soon away from this hate and hypocrisy.
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you said something about the Bible.
When they make you a mod, let us know. Until then, you have no authority, here.
Since I'm being called out, perhaps you could point to my hateful comments, and my bringing up abortion in this thread. I cannot find a hateful comment posted by me, or a mention of abortion, by me. And exactly how did I exalt my governor ? By saying I'd vote for him again ? Did I demand anyone else like him ? Where, exactly is my hypocrisy ? And exactly how is ANYONE embracing me ?
You are silly. Apologize & re-read the thread. It is fallacious & ill-researched.
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OldRegular
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I can't speak for Revmitchell but you are off your rocker when you say I embrace Curtis. I have never even met the man much less embrace him.
OldRegular
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Are you saying that a person who advocated the policy which resulted in the slaughter of 50 million unborn children is a man after God's own heart?
Magnetic Poles
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It doesn't take a mod for us to self moderate to stay on topic. I know you have an unnatural fascination with me, but again...stay on topic. And no, I won't go to Canada with you.:tongue3:
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RevMitchell asked
Old Regular, when I say that Kennedy had godly traits, I am saying that, as a human, he bears the image of God. All humans are made in God's image and all humans reflect God in some ways. All humans are fallen, therefore, God's image is marred by sin, but the image is there none the less. This image is seen in the fact that all men have a sense of right and wrong. Of course all men choose to do wrong sometimes, but no one chooses to do wrong all of the time. There are many people who are unsaved and unregenerate, yet are very moral people.
This is different from being rightoues, as in the verses you used. No one is righteous before God on his own. No human possesses his own righteousness. The only righteousness a person can possess in "alien righteousness", that is righteousness that comes from outside of the person. The righteousness that we need is the righteousness of Christ which is avialable by faith. When we trust Christ, his righteousness, a righteousness that is totally outside of us and foriegn to us is imputed to us.
When I say that Ted Kennedy had godly traits, I am not saying that he is righteous, I am saying that he is made in the image of God. I do not know whether Ted Kennedy was righteous or not because I do not know if he placed faith in Christ. However, when I observe his life, I do see traits in his life that show that he was an image bearer and I see SOME traits that I can point out to my sons and say "that should be emulated". Some things that Ted Kennedy did should not be emulated and I would point that out to my sons as well. However, I teach my sons that all men are made in God's image, all men are to be loved, and it is wrong to sit in judgement of others and it is wrong to express hatred of other people.
Frankly, the hatred expressed toward Ted Kennedy by some on this thread is ungodly and should be repented of. If Ted Kennedy's family heard the vitriol that has been spilled by some Baptists about him, why would any of them want to become Baptists? Why would they want to profess the Christ who causes Baptists to hate their departed relative? God help us, indeed!
Do you mean Bork? Not sure what you are referring to.
Old Regular, when I say that Kennedy had godly traits, I am saying that, as a human, he bears the image of God. All humans are made in God's image and all humans reflect God in some ways. All humans are fallen, therefore, God's image is marred by sin, but the image is there none the less. This image is seen in the fact that all men have a sense of right and wrong. Of course all men choose to do wrong sometimes, but no one chooses to do wrong all of the time. There are many people who are unsaved and unregenerate, yet are very moral people.
This is different from being rightoues, as in the verses you used. No one is righteous before God on his own. No human possesses his own righteousness. The only righteousness a person can possess in "alien righteousness", that is righteousness that comes from outside of the person. The righteousness that we need is the righteousness of Christ which is avialable by faith. When we trust Christ, his righteousness, a righteousness that is totally outside of us and foriegn to us is imputed to us.
When I say that Ted Kennedy had godly traits, I am not saying that he is righteous, I am saying that he is made in the image of God. I do not know whether Ted Kennedy was righteous or not because I do not know if he placed faith in Christ. However, when I observe his life, I do see traits in his life that show that he was an image bearer and I see SOME traits that I can point out to my sons and say "that should be emulated". Some things that Ted Kennedy did should not be emulated and I would point that out to my sons as well. However, I teach my sons that all men are made in God's image, all men are to be loved, and it is wrong to sit in judgement of others and it is wrong to express hatred of other people.
Frankly, the hatred expressed toward Ted Kennedy by some on this thread is ungodly and should be repented of. If Ted Kennedy's family heard the vitriol that has been spilled by some Baptists about him, why would any of them want to become Baptists? Why would they want to profess the Christ who causes Baptists to hate their departed relative? God help us, indeed!
What does this have to do with the topic ? No unnatural fascination, just fighting your unbiblical posts, and confronting your two-facedness.
Petrabuilt, can you support your claims of hatefulness, or am I going to sleep on your anger.
Thanks for your well-reasoned and well-written posts in this thread. You have reminded us that we will all have to stand before God for judgment. Not enough of us here have remembered that.
Tim Reynolds