Great! Then all the SDA practices apart from this is non essentials and just preferences.
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Great! Then all the SDA practices apart from this is non essentials and just preferences.
Careful. Terms tend to change meaning in these groups.
NOPE, still auto-excommunication. See once murder is done it is a mortal sin. Anyone who commits any mortal sin is automatically excommunicated. There is no certificate needed, no one in the world has to stamp it. They are excommunicated and if they receive communion it would be another mortal sin stacked on.
This is all written out, nothing new. Just because we don't announce a public declaration that a what a serial killer is doing wrong is wrong, does not mean we say it is right, OUR TEACHINGS clearly point out it is wrong.
Your TEACHINGS on abortion however, state that It is OK to murder sometimes.
God will Judge you for your supporting murder as an official teaching. All your general conference TOP LEADERS they acknowledge supporting abortion.
Name one person in the SDA, give me a name brother. Name the top dog of the general conference. Ill get him to tell you they support abortion.
BobRyan
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Supreme court justices are not excommunicated neither are the Catholic pro-abortion members of congress.
And the flood of latino immigrants coming across the southern boarder swelling the pro-abortion ranks of the democrat party -- may also have a significant voice in the discussion.
So also the history of the RCC killing not only the babies but also the woman and syblings
24 August 1572 - The St Bartholomew's Day Massacre - The Anne Boleyn Files
The idea that killing 25 million to 100 million Christians over that period of time - officially sanctioned by the RCC with its Lateran IV command to "exterminate heretics and Jews" -- is a history of respect for human life.. is difficult to reconcile with the obvious facts in the case.
All of this coming up because you want to hammer some anti-abortion Christian like me - as if the RCC is the perfect image of respect for human life or "as if" Catholic supreme court justices and congress persons do not have the power any day they wish to put a stop to abortion in America.
I would jump for joy if all Catholics would switch to voting anti-abortion the way I do -- and we both know it.
They attend the "Red Mass" every year and receive the Eucharist - which is not allowed for one who is excommunicated
BobRyan
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Under the "one Gospel" Gal 1:6-9 of the "New Covenant" Jeremiah 31:31-33 we are saved by grace through faith and have the new birth and the Law written on the heart - as well as forgiveness of sin.
Yes Steaver -- Allow me to quote it for you -- as stated by C.H. Spurgeon
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19. The Law of God
- God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.
- The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the ten commandments, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.
- Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.
- To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.
- The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.
- Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty and directs and binds them to walk accordingly. It also reveals and exposes the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts and lives, and using it for self-examination they may come to greater conviction of sin, greater humility and greater hatred of their sin. They will also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ and the perfection of His own obedience. It is of further use to regenerate people to restrain their corruptions, because of the way in which it forbids sin. The threatenings of the law serve to show what their sins actually deserve, and what troubles may be expected in this life because of these sins even by regenerate people who are freed from the curse and undiminished rigours of the law. The promises connected with the law also show believers God's approval of obedience, and what blessings they may expect when the law is kept and obeyed, though blessing will not come to them because they have satisfied the law as a covenant of works. If a man does good and refrains from evil simply because the law encourages to the good and deters him from the evil, that is no evidence that he is under the law rather than under grace.
- The aforementioned uses of the law are not contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but they sweetly comply with it, as the Spirit of Christ subdues and enables the will of man to do freely and cheerfully those things which the will of God, which is revealed in the law, requires to be done.
from - The Baptist Confession of Faith (1689)[/QUOTE]
Ignoring every detail freely confessed in the Baptist Confession of Faith - Steaver responds with...
SDAs believe in the actual Bible - where we find no man-made-phrases like "non-essentials".
Mark 7:6-13 is a great example of Christ dealing with your so-called "non-essentials".
Eph 6:2 is another great example of Paul dealing with your so-called "non-essentials"
John 14:15 and 1 John 5:2-3 is a great example of John dealing with your so-called "non-essentials"
Rev 14:12 is a great place to see how your so-called "non-essentials" play a part at the end of the world.
BobRyan
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SDAs believe in the actual Bible - where we find no man-made-phrases like "non-essentials".
Mark 7:6-13 is a great example of Christ dealing with your so-called "non-essentials".
Eph 6:2 is another great example of Paul dealing with your so-called "non-essentials"
John 14:15 and 1 John 5:2-3 is a great example of John dealing with your so-called "non-essentials"
Rev 14:12 is a great place to see how your so-called "non-essentials" play a part at the end of the world.
Mark 7:6-13
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”
Eph 6:2 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise),
("first commandment" in WHAT unit of LAW admitted by the Baptist Confession of Faith - to be "written on the heart" under the NEW Covenant?)
John 14:15 "if you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" (pre-cross context for commandments)
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
1 John 5:2-3 "THIS IS the LOVE of God - that we KEEP His Commandments"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" (Just when some had imagined to themselves "what does NOT MATTER is KEEPING the Commandments of God")
Exodus 20:6 "LOVE Me and KEEP My Commandments"
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the Church of THAT time, as the Holy Spirit was guiding and directing the early Church until the canon was completed, and Ellen White fails to qualify, as she bore a false theology and gospel!
NOPE.
Excommunications are not required to be certified. They are implemented once a mortal sin is done.
So just because you support abortion and don't believe it is a sin, does not make them an exception of an excommunication.
I have shown the RULES. the Constitution of the SDA faith. They support MURDER.
And you are murdering children right now by hiding and not acknowledging their evil.
Here is video of a GOOD SDA member, who realizes the truth that the SDA CHURCH supports MURDER.
56 million abortions a year, none of the world wars put together hold a candle to SDA abortion.
The LOUDEST CRY against the SDA is ABORTION and the SDA church responds with silence.
Some SDA Members who realize the truth are fighting back
BobRyan
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If we dismiss the OT as "oh no don't pay attention to that scripture it is for the church at THAT time"
and we dismiss the NT as "oh no don't pay attention to that scripture it was only for the church at THAT time"
we might as well go back to the Bible-void dark ages.
some of us will choose another solution rather than arguments for ignoring scripture.
NO TEXT says that 1 Cor 12 is only valid until John stops writing scripture.
NO TEXT says the Holy Spirit guides the church ONLY until John stops writing scripture.
You are inserting your own preference (or man made tradition) to limit scripture.
And you are of course free to make stuff up as you prefer -- but a lot of Christians today will reject such Bible-wrenching.
BobRyan
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Look here is a picture of Catholic Supreme court justices that could end abortion in America if only they would vote against it - the way I do.
The Holy Spirit NO LONGER gave forth any additional revelations when John passed away to us, and there are NO Apostles/prophets since that time, as to be one, had to have either been with Jesus, or else saw the risen Christ, and Ellen White did none of those, and she has false prophecies and teachings to boot!
BobRyan
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Supreme court justices are not excommunicated neither are the Catholic pro-abortion members of congress.
And the flood of latino immigrants coming across the southern boarder swelling the pro-abortion ranks of the democrat party -- may also have a significant voice in the discussion.
So also the history of the RCC killing not only the babies but also the woman and syblings
24 August 1572 - The St Bartholomew's Day Massacre - The Anne Boleyn Files
The idea that killing 25 million to 100 million Christians over that period of time - officially sanctioned by the RCC with its Lateran IV command to "exterminate heretics and Jews" -- is a history of respect for human life.. is difficult to reconcile with the obvious facts in the case.
All of this coming up because you want to hammer some anti-abortion Christian like me - as if the RCC is the perfect image of respect for human life or "as if" Catholic supreme court justices and congress persons do not have the power any day they wish to put a stop to abortion in America.
I would jump for joy if all Catholics would switch to voting anti-abortion the way I do -- and we both know it.
They attend the "Red Mass" every year and receive the Eucharist - which is not allowed for one who is excommunicated
Yep - they attend that mass AND receive the Eucharist which would not be allowed if the RCC considered them to be excommunicated.
The RCC is not implementing what you have suggested for them - it is the RCC that does not declare them to be excommunicated and so allows what it would not allow for someone who in fact was excommunicated... it allows them to partake of the Eucharist... and we both know it.
You have suggested that "in your mind" they are excommunicated.. you have free will and can view them that way. But the whole point of excommunication is deleted if the "Church does not know they are excommunicated" -- which is what you are proposing.
Turns out.. I am not.
All of this coming up because you want to hammer some anti-abortion Christian like me - as if the RCC is the perfect image of respect for human life or "as if" Catholic supreme court justices and congress persons do not have the power any day they wish to put a stop to abortion in America.
I would jump for joy if all Catholics would switch to voting anti-abortion the way I do -- and we both know it.
BobRyan
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If we dismiss the OT as "oh no don't pay attention to that scripture it is for the church at THAT time"
and we dismiss the NT as "oh no don't pay attention to that scripture it was only for the church at THAT time"
we might as well go back to the Bible-void dark ages.
some of us will choose another solution rather than arguments for ignoring scripture.
NO TEXT says that 1 Cor 12 is only valid until John stops writing scripture.
NO TEXT says the Holy Spirit guides the church ONLY until John stops writing scripture.
You are inserting your own preference (or man made tradition) to limit scripture.
And you are of course free to make stuff up as you prefer -- but a lot of Christians today will reject such Bible-wrenching.
Are you saying that because you "enjoy making stuff up"??
Because whatever you make up certainly must be "true"?
Because the Bible forgot to say it?
At what point is sola-scriptura vs sola-making-stuff-up significant in your view?
Ephesians 4 says the 1 Cor 12 gifts remain until the 2nd coming.
How much scripture are you wiling to delete in your quest?
I accept 1 Cor 12
Prophecy in the NT churches was not that of the office of the OT prophet though, so again, Ellen White does not meet the criteria!
BobRyan
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Since you offer no scripture to back your statement up - I assume you are exercising your right of free will to just make stuff up.
Fine... but I prefer the actual Bible on the subject of 1 Cor 12 , spiritual gifts and the way that scripture defines what prophecy and the gift of prophecy is.
Now wait a minute. i asked you to give me the essentials to salvation IN YOUR OWN WORDS and you responded with...
"Under the "one Gospel" Gal 1:6-9 of the "New Covenant" Jeremiah 31:31-33 we are saved by grace through faith and have the new birth and the Law written on the heart - as well as forgiveness of sin."
This is Great! It is what I and all baptist believe as well. All the other non essentials such as what day to corporately gather to worship on or what one should or should not eat has nothing to do with salvation. Unless you as an SDA do believe these things are essential to salvation? You don't right?
So do I and all Baptist. The non essentials I asked you about was for salvation. Certainly you do not believe selling all you have and giving it to the poor is an essential for salvation, or do you?
Its already officially admitted and stated SDA is supports abortion the murder of children.
Here is their official website: Abortion
Stop supporting murder Bob. You are going to answer to God for the millions being killed now.
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