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  1. Reynolds

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    Your point?
     
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    No. The logic is that we do not know who is or who is not elect. We pray because we are commanded to. So are you saying it is illogical to follow the commands of God?
     
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    Right the faith that is given to us because of grace. By grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, to the glory of God alone.
     
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    Paul wrote what God inspired him to write. What I believe is not from John Calvin. It is from God, written down for us by Paul and the other inspired authors of the Bible. The evidence is in scripture.
    You want to take it out of the Bible and force it into John Calvin's writings. I have not read much of Calvin's writings. I have read the Bible. What I believe is also what Paul the Apostle taught.
    Why would Paul pray for God to save anyone? Why not just pray for himself to be changed?

    In fact, we see Paul praying that he might be changed. We see that dialogue in Romans 7 and 8. We also see Paul pray for the lost and for the elect.

    Reynolds, you are asking the wrong question. It's not "why" pray... it's "For what purpose" do I pray.

    The purpose is that I may be made more and more in the likeness of my King, Jesus.
     
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    You are making them up in your own mind.
    Let us explore God's word together rather than waste time on your labels.
     
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    Numbers 23:19!
     
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    Not perfect, but in the area of Sotierology, best explanation of how God operates in salvation process!
     
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    If your Father knew Christ, God answered with ultimate healing!
     
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    I am not a hyper Cal, as God has ordained to work out His plans and purposes concerning salvation thru prayers and by the Gospel taught!
     
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    God has ordained those into His purpose and plan of affecting salvation
     
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    Only if you bring this up to a Hyper Cal, which I am not!
     
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    No. I am saying Gods command is plain. It can not logically be reconciled to your belief system, thus your belief system is illogical.
     
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    Part of our belief system is that we do what God commands. So no, it is no unable to be reconciled logically.
     
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    The application of that all hinges on interpretation of the scriptures surrounding "i".
     
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    His command make your belief illogical.
     
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    I can assure you I didnt make up the terms.
     
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    As long as we agree on imperfection.
     
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    I agree, but reconciling that to Calvinism trashes logic.
     
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    The Hyper Cal is actually logical on this point.
     
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    And we are back to you just don't understand our position.

    We don't question God. God tells us he has already chosen who to save so I believe it. He commands us to pray for the lost so I do it. End of story.
     
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