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Should Christians Pray for the Lost?

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kyredneck

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Romans 10:1 = [Paul explaining that he prays for the salvation of his lost Jewish brethren] = "Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved."

Evangelicals have gommed up the words 'saved' and 'lost' by always willy nilly with a broad brush applying the eternal sense to them. Do you honestly think that Paul was praying for all Jews to go to heaven? Did he also pray for all non-Jews to go to heaven? Saved means delivered, rescued. Consider the words of the Holy Spirit through the apostle Peter:

40 And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. Acts 2

Deliver, rescue yourselves from this crooked generation for the wrath to the uttermost is soon to descend upon it for all the righteous blood shed on the land.
 

kyredneck

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Matthew 5:44 = [Jesus teaching we are to pray for our "enemies" and those that persecute us] = "But I say to you, 'Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you...'"

That's OUR enemies, not His.

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your pearls before the swine, lest haply they trample them under their feet, and turn and rend you. Mt 7
 

Reformed1689

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Just because you see your position as logical and others see it as illogical doesnt mean that they do not understand it. It simply means you disagree. That is called a black and white fallacy.
It is logical because we are commanded to pray for the lost and to evangelize.
 

Reformed1689

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I do understand it and it is illogical. Most High through Hyper Calvinists would readily tell you general Calvinism is illogical. You agree with them on double predestination, you will eventually agree with them on the rest or you will abandon Calvinism. As I have said many times, High Calvinism is logical.
High Calvinism, to the extent you just gave, is actually unbiblical.
 

Reynolds

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That's not a strawman. Anyone who says we are not pre-chosen and that it is dependant completely on man's own free choice believes man has something to do with his salvation.
But man needs to pray for the salvation of another man?
 

Scarlett O.

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That's OUR enemies, not His.

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your pearls before the swine, lest haply they trample them under their feet, and turn and rend you. Mt 7
So with your quoting me five times and telling me five times that I am wrong - am I not supposed to pray for the lost?
 

InTheLight

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Explain how it is a strawman then.

I don't know anyone that believes salvation is "completely on man's free will choice". By you insinuating that someone believes that and then saying they are wrong is the very definition of a strawman.
 

Reformed1689

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I don't know anyone that believes salvation is "completely on man's free will choice". By you insinuating that someone believes that and then saying they are wrong is the very definition of a strawman.
You are right, I should not have said completely, but that also wasn't my original statement. My original statement was anything to do with man.
 

kyredneck

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So with your quoting me five times and telling me five times that I am wrong - am I not supposed to pray for the lost?

???

Pray for whoever or whatever you want., it’s your *application of scripture that I’ve addressed.

*misapplication
 
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Martin Marprelate

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God is impotent without you.
God will save His elect, but they won't be saved without prayer. Go figure.
Why pray for the lost? How does that fit into Calvinistic belief of God's sovereignty?
We pray because God is sovereign. If He were not, there wouldn't be much point in praying to Him. "Do your best, Lord! I know you can't override his stubborn heart, but could you maybe try?"
 
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