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Should some beats be avoided?

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rbell

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Sopranette said:
I'm not talking about music having a beat. EVERY song has a beat. I'm talking about songs used in worship that mimic beats used by other genres, especially those used by rock or pagan rituals, with the specific intent to entertain rather than move people in contemplative prayer. I've heard a
Punk version of "Silent Night", I've heard Jazz versions of "Amazing Grace". I've heard a number of hymns done in a Blues format. I've heard a number of rock covers of Christmas carols. I'm not offended, I just think they're inappropriate. Apparently, these would be okay in some churches today! Personally, I'm dumbfounded. I've yet to see a Thrash Metal band in church, and I hope I never will.

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Sopranette
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This is complete subjectivity, though.

What you will call a "rock beat," others will say is easy listening. What you will say "sounds like blues," others might liken to country. Who's right?

Subjective.
 
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ccrobinson

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Why are the usual people on my ignore list continuing to post at me?
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:laugh:

I didn't realize we were still in junior high.

Sopranette, who are your friends on the BB? That way, when I want to say something to you, I'll say, "Mary, would you please tell sopranette that she's being childish and immature?", or you know, whatever it is I want to say. Then, you can say your brutal retort to Mary and she'll repeat it to me. I'm sure it be something like "I'm made of rubber and you're made of glue. Whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you."

Then, I'll be very hurt and will run home crying to my mommy and you'll have told me, yes sir, and I'll make sure never to post in any thread in which you have posted since you obviously own the BB.

:rolleyes:
 
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tinytim

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Sopranette said:
I've yet to see a Thrash Metal band in church, and I hope I never will.

love,

Sopranette
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I have, in a youth rally... and I can say.. I HATED IT!!!
My sons went to a Seventh Day Slumber concert last month, and they loved it!!! I hated it.... There is a video of a local band on youtube when they played for our youth camp last yr... I will try to find the link...
and you will see me just sitting there, not enjoying it....

I can't stand that type stuff, but some do...
And I am mature enough to know it is my opinion...

BTW, There are Christian Songs appropriate for worship, and some that are not.. some are just for entertainment...
A wise person knows the difference, within the culture God has placed that person to serve...
Let me see if I can find that link....
 
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tinytim

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I found a link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY5OvkvFqDw
This band is called Explicit Faith.. and this was their first gig...
It was an optional concert our youth could attend.. When the camera pans back at about 30 seconds, you can see me.. the old man sitting on the right side of the screen with the blue shirt on that says "Wild about God"

That was one night that I wish I could have really went somewhere else!!!
Man were they bad! But it was their first gig...

Here is a link about a month later where they are playing at a local park.. They are somewhat better... and from what I hear from my sons, they are getting better all the time... I was watching this link and noticed the disco ball, and just had to laugh!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfwOAoudT2o

Please don't come down hard on me.. as I said, if I had it to do over they would never have been invited to even come... but we learn from our mistakes... (BTW, I didn't invite them.. my partner in crime.. co director did)

Just a couple neat notes.. the bass player used to play bluegrass...
The keyboard player is the one my son bought his Bass Guitar off of...

And here is a link to my son playing his bass with his high school band... he is the one in the orange shirt... holding the Bass guitar... lol... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfwOAoudT2o
 
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Joe

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tinytim the second link you provided was pretty good. It does sound like they are getting better. Though I couldn't hear the words, the beat and music was pretty good. I could worship to this.

I liked their music, but somehow it doesn't seem quite in sync yet. They appear to have a lot of potential.
 
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ByGracethroughFaith

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Sopranette said:
I'm not talking about music having a beat. EVERY song has a beat. I'm talking about songs used in worship that mimic beats used by other genres, especially those used by rock or pagan rituals, with the specific intent to entertain rather than move people in contemplative prayer. I've heard a
Punk version of "Silent Night", I've heard Jazz versions of "Amazing Grace". I've heard a number of hymns done in a Blues format. I've heard a number of rock covers of Christmas carols. I'm not offended, I just think they're inappropriate. Apparently, these would be okay in some churches today! Personally, I'm dumbfounded. I've yet to see a Thrash Metal band in church, and I hope I never will.

love,

Sopranette
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CCM being the music of the world, is merely a product of Warrenism gone wild, but in these last days I wouldn't expect any less.

I should point out though that every song does not have a beat, the good songs you are mentioning have melody without a beat. Beats appeal to the flesh, melodies appeal to the spirit. Those void of the spirit require a beat to whip them up for 'worship'.

http://logosresourcepages.org/Music/rock.htm

BTW: Keep up the good work.


BGTF
 
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D28guy

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BGTF,

"Beats appeal to the flesh, melodies appeal to the spirit. Those void of the spirit require a beat to whip them up for 'worship'."
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Well, now that you have posted that, dont you feel like you should post again a take it back?

I mean, in all honesty, thats just plain silly.

Some of the best praise and worship music I have ever heard..(or been part of as a guitar player)..is praise and worship where the drummer has that "back beat" just poppin to beat the band! Particularly if its during a nice tasty lead guitar or sax or piano solo being played for God.

God can really move into music like that. GOOD stuff!

Spiritual as all get out! :thumbs:

God bless,

Mike
 
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SBCPreacher

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ByGracethroughFaith said:
CCM being the music of the world, is merely a product of Warrenism gone wild..
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"Warrenism gone wild" - that's an ignorant statement.
 
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SBCPreacher

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ByGracethroughFaith said:
I should point out though that every song does not have a beat, the good songs you are mentioning have melody without a beat.
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In my musical training (it's only a bachelor's degree, no masters or doctorate there), I have learned that EVERY song has a beat. Every song has meter. Some are slower. Some and steady. Some are faster. Some are simple. Some are complex. But every song has one. That little fraction at the beginning of the music line defines the meter or beat.

Apparently, some music has a meter or beat that you don't approve of. Well, guess what? Best I can tell, you don't get to make the decision as to what is proper or not in the big world of music, or even the realm of Christian music.

Your description of beats in music is inaccurate.
 
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SBCPreacher

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ByGracethroughFaith said:
Those void of the spirit require a beat to whip them up for 'worship'.
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Again, another ignorant statement.

Who are you to question someone's salvation by the type of music the use for worship? Are you the Holy Spirit? I think not (in fact, I know not).
 
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ByGracethroughFaith

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SBCPreacher said:
Again, another ignorant statement.

Who are you to question someone's salvation by the type of music the use for worship? Are you the Holy Spirit? I think not (in fact, I know not).
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The heathen require a beat to ‘worship’. The church is meant to be a place for edification of the saints, not entertainment of the heathen. A wise pastor will not conform to providing for the fleshly needs of those who are not meant to be there. Having removed one of the means of drawing the heathen into the sanctuary, the wise pastor will then have one less problem in bringing forth the message God intended he should bring to the saints. Unfortunately most churches are now run as businesses and filled with heathen customers who must be given what they want.


BGTF
 
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rbell

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ByGracethroughFaith said:
CCM being the music of the world, is merely a product of Warrenism gone wild, but in these last days I wouldn't expect any less.

I should point out though that every song does not have a beat, the good songs you are mentioning have melody without a beat. Beats appeal to the flesh, melodies appeal to the spirit. Those void of the spirit require a beat to whip them up for 'worship'.

http://logosresourcepages.org/Music/rock.htm

BTW: Keep up the good work.


BGTF
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Every song has a beat. Rhythm is an indissoluble component of music.

Thanks for playing, though.

BTW: Your idea of "Beats appeal to the flesh, melodies appeal to the spirit" is not Christian; it is straight out of Pythagorean philosophy...yes, that Pythagoras...the great pagan Greek philosopher and mathematician.
 
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