ccrobinson
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You can always tell who's losing a debate by noting which debater makes personal attacks.
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Should some beats be avoided?
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You can always tell who's losing a debate by noting which debater makes personal attacks.
Sopranette
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Mike McK said:
You can read all about rastafarians on wikipedia. Actually, I was being kind to that form of worship, in that I didn't mention they use weed to enable their spiritual connection with their god, combined with the reggae beat.
Addressing an earlier post of yours, I have put certain people on my ignore list months ago, because their focus seemed to be more about attacking me, rather than contributing to any thread I started, for whatever reason. Half of the people on my ignore list have since been banned or left, if that tells you anything. I know some people never change, and I am correct in this. It's best to just wipe them out of my life. That's all I have to say about that.
I would STILL like to discuss various beats and the history behind them, what they do to us. I grew up with Disco, Rock, Folk, and New wave. I copied the female artists endlessly; they had a huge impact on my style of music. Even now, I still hear similarities between my vocal styles and bands like Evanescence. I definitely have a hard rock sounding voice, and it takes will to avoid emulating them.
love,
Sopranette
Mike McK said:
Razzmatazz? lol.....
Nope, can't use rainbows.. they symbolize lesbians...
Personally I hate the phrase "Christian Rock" for the same reasons Aaron does....
That is why I don't call it that.. it is CCM, or Praise and Worship, or simply Christian music...
It seems only people add Rock to it when they want to slander a form of Christian music...
And there are many, many styles...
AS a matter of fact, one of my friends listened to Casting crowns for the first time a few months ago, then turned to me, and said... "I didn't think you liked Country"
Music is blending with different styles.... and it is going to keep getting harder to seperate the styles...
As for beats, there are no sinful beats...even though beats can invoke different feelings....
But feelings are not bad...
A beat that evokes excitement should be used with lyrics that do the same..
A beat that evokes a depressing mood should be used with lyrics that do the same...
I won't deny, music makes a person feel certain ways... but feelings are not sinful... Actions are.
God created emotions... because we are created in His image, we have emotions..
To try to suppress emotions would be insultful to our creator...
We are to control our actions to our emotions.
Thus, the Bible says to be angry but sin not.
Raggae beats puts me in a party mood... And we should party...
After all, the father partied down after the prodigal son came home...
Heaven parties when a lost soul is saved... check it out in Luke 15...
I wonder if they had depressing music then...
Music should fit the situation. But that is just common sense.. nothing to do with right or wrong... sin or no sin....
***edited to say, I can't believe I actually said 'partied down'. Man, you can tell I grew up in the 80's!!! lol****
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ByGracethroughFaith
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That's to be expected.....rbell said:
BGTF
Is there a place on the web where different types of beats have been collected so that we could hear the different types of beats, and compare them....
It seems we are coming to this debate with preconceived ideas on both sides, and it would be helpful if we could hear certain beats, and then discuss them.. that way we would at least be on the same page when debating beats....
We could go through each beat and then discuss whether it is holy or not.. and give reasons for it.
Soprannette has made it clear she is not talking about Drums or other instruments.. or even styles, but rhythms....
I think that is what she means by "beats" so, for instance, on my son's keyboard, he can choose different rhythms...
like: Raggae, pop, rock, jazz, fusion, funk, latin, samba, tango, etc...
It seems we are coming to this debate with preconceived ideas on both sides, and it would be helpful if we could hear certain beats, and then discuss them.. that way we would at least be on the same page when debating beats....
We could go through each beat and then discuss whether it is holy or not.. and give reasons for it.
Soprannette has made it clear she is not talking about Drums or other instruments.. or even styles, but rhythms....
I think that is what she means by "beats" so, for instance, on my son's keyboard, he can choose different rhythms...
like: Raggae, pop, rock, jazz, fusion, funk, latin, samba, tango, etc...
ccrobinson
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Here we go again. You say you're going to ignore people, then you post this, practically begging for a response.
Sopranette, ignore me all you want, but I have no plans to go anywhere. There was only one thread where you and I had problems and I don't believe I was wrong in what I said. If anybody would like to see the thread where Sopranette and I disagreed, please contact me via pm and I will happily send you a link to it.
There's nothing more childish and immature than putting people on an ignore list instead of trying to work out differences. I've been here since January 2005 and have no intention of leaving. I would just as soon work out whatever our differences are, but I'm going to leave that up to you.
My private message folder has plenty of room to exchange messages if you want to work out our differences.
PS. I'm not a pastor.
tinytim said:
Yeah, it's a reference to a thread that took place here many years ago.
Aaron insisted to us that there is some sort of jazz music called razzmatazz that's supposed to be really super evil or something.
He then tried to deny it and got caught in a lie. When I dragged up the thread to show from his own words that he did say the things he claimed he didn't say, he pitched a fit and abused his moderator privileges to try to ban me.
Needless to say, the administrators didn't really see the humor in it. I'm still here and he's no longer a mod.
It was almost as stupid as the time "Bennyboy" banned me from his message board because I pointed out that most Southern Gospel groups use the same backing musicians as the "worldly" artists he condemns.
Me, too. Hey, speaking of reggae, I think Sopranette ran off before she explained how she came to the conclusion that regaee came from Rastafarian religious services.
After all, the father partied down after the prodigal son came home...
Heaven parties when a lost soul is saved... check it out in Luke 15...
I wonder if they had depressing music then...[/quote]
Sopranette
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Brother Mike, I'm not going to take you by the hand and physically take you over to wikipedia to look up the Rastafarian/reggae connection. The fact is, there are some beats that make a person want to move in a sexually suggestive way, and usually not in private. Often they have roots in subversive, criminal activities, too, such as rap music. These are not appropriate for Christian worship services.
love,
Sopranette
love,
Sopranette
i'm gonna be blunt and say that the above two quotes come from ignorance. heh.
carnal pleasure?
like -- vertical dancing leads to horizontal dancing? that age old debate? heh.
"the fact is"?? no. you have no facts there.
the beats aren't what make the person want to move - it's a motivation, yes.
but the person has the choice.
and how dare you stereotype rap music, relating it to criminal activities.
i actually find that offensive and ignorant at the same time.
i love rap music - lecrae, la symphony, crossmovement, JR, ambassador, pigeon john and the likes.
mmhmm - christian artists putting out hiphop music. beautiful.
during any worship service in church - i'm dancin in the pews. heh.
it's just not me to stand there like a toothpick.
and i'm not one for raisin hands high in the air... my arms get tired after awhile. heh. but i do once in awhile. it's just not how i worship God all the time.
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but music affects everybody differently.
deal with it.
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The Scribe
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I don't come in here much, because I can't sing well and I don't play an instrument. I had to take a look at this thread when I saw the title.
The Bible says to make a joyful noise unto the Lord. I don't remember any limits put on music other than that. So, I'd say anything that resembles screaming isn't joyful.
Psalms 100 (KJV)
1: Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all ye lands.
2: Serve the LORD with gladness: come before his presence with singing.
3: Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
4: Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
5: For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.
A reggae beat can be joyful unto the Lord.
The Bible says to make a joyful noise unto the Lord. I don't remember any limits put on music other than that. So, I'd say anything that resembles screaming isn't joyful.
Psalms 100 (KJV)
1: Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all ye lands.
2: Serve the LORD with gladness: come before his presence with singing.
3: Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
4: Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
5: For the LORD is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.
Sopranette said:
A reggae beat can be joyful unto the Lord.
Sopranette
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Meh...to each his own. Worship music should be humble and sincere. But that's just MY opinion. You go ahead and have your rave party. So long as everybody is having a good time, that's what's important, isn't it? And applaude after each song, because it IS for your entertainment. Oh, and don't forget your platform shoes and gold chains to your next service.
love,
Sopranette
love,
Sopranette
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The Scribe
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Alex Quackenbush
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If a person cannot distinguish between music appropriate for entertainment and music appropriate for spiritual worship and edification, they have no business attempting to make determinations regarding the issue.
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Sopranette
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Alex Quackenbush said:
Thank you, Brother Q. I know you have said this many times, and it does most effectively put it all in a nutshell. I appreciate it! Today I sang three of my favorite hymns, and I won't lie, it felt exactly like a cool drink of water on a hot summer's day!
love,
Sopranette
Alex Quackenbush
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Sure and by the way, I fix the "f' so it reads "If".Sopranette said:
The Scribe
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Alex Quackenbush said:
If you were referring to Reggae music than you would be wrong it's not only about "entertainment."
Reggae is often associated with the Rastafari movement, an influence on many prominent reggae musicians from its inception. Reggae song lyrics deal with many subjects, including faith, love, relationships, poverty, injustice and other broad social issues.
I could just pull out the race card. I don't want to. :saint:
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