Should some beats be avoided?

She did, you just refuse to look at her evidence.

 

Hmmm. This same Christ said that true worshippers MUST worship the Father in spirit and in truth. In your vision you don't see false worshippers?

 

And don't allow those who do, force it in the church door and trouble those who don't.

 

There are churches who think like you. Go there.

 

I'm glad you said this. CCM is more about self-will than the edification of all.

 

I didn't say this about CCM. I said this about any style of music.

 

Now; you've become piney.com! (Probaby some hyper Campbellist or hyper Primitive Baptist site).

Yes, they say ALL music alltogether is pagan! They use the same line of argumentation to discredit the OT use of music, amd the whole point is that EVERYONE out there is wrong! It's called "oneupmanship".

Drums and "jungle beat". Of course; that's really all it is about.
Scribe, it's not you that would be playing a "race" card"; that card is already implicit in this teaching! They only scream "Race card! No fair" when someone points it out and nails it for what it is. Here is the teaching in its purest, original, most undisguised form: www.touchet1611.org/paulsonmusic.com

Also worthy of note, for those who argue about beats "moving the flesh", while traditional music "moves the spirit"; this guy says that that is wrong too, and he has a point! He warns that people having their "spirits lifted up" by the supposedly "good" music, are sinning just as much as the others and still opening themselves up to bad spiritual influences; as lifting one's spirit is the job of the Holy Spirit alone.

And even with those instruments mentioned in the Psalms, they are still not our modern "strings", or pipe organs, and certainly not pianos. The latter two were once condemned by the Church as "worldly", "demonic" and "sensual" as well, BTW. Everybody simply denounces whatever they are not used to as bad, and then proceeds to speak for God on it. But then even this changes over the centuries.
Again, all styles were once used by the pagan background of the culture they arose out of. The Europeans were not God's chosen people, but were just as "heathen" as everyone else, even though their music may have been less rhythmic. Rhythm is not the only thing that may feed "the flesh"; and the whole concept of the "flesh" is not just physical! The term "jungle music" would be analogous to calling the plain styles "cave music". (But it was "jungle" that was more popular as a derisive term for a people and their culture).

And it seems you all are acknowledging now that there was a lot of rhythm in OT music, with the discussion of the tamborine. As for it not being used in the Temple; nobody said that fun rhythms were appropriate for ALL occasions, but they all acknowledged that there is a place for it. What we are arguing against is the opposite: that they are NEVER appropriate; which is the basic argument of "beats=the flesh". If that was true, then the tamborine and other similar instruments would not have been allowed AT ALL. Or they would have only been used in the golden calf instrument (which people would LOVE to have be the case), but that we do not see at all.

People should not allow themselves to get sucked into a teaching just because it SOUNDS like it is upholding "Biblical hiloness" . People out there have agendas and bend teachings to fit, reading them into the Bible, so you have to check ALL teachings to see whether they are truly Biblical.

http://members.aol.com/etb700/ccm.html

 

:sigh: I wish I were angry. Angry people have all the fun. Even these jokes by comparison are lame compared to the fun of anger:

As an aside, I deplore most CCM. I don't think it's "bad" I just don't like it.

But I listen to Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band at least every week... so I take it I'm addicted?

 

No, unlike "razzmatazz", "fairytale" is a real word.

Interesting that, in order to show that you didn't make up the word, you posted a link to the post in which you made up the word.

 

Her "evidence" was the Wikipedia entry for "reggae". I did look at it and it does not support her claim.

 

I didn't say that "razzmatazz" isn't a word or a description. I'm saying that, as a genre of music, you made it up.

 

We should also add that the majority of SG artists use the very same session musicians that those evil worldly artists use.

 

If Ps. 150 is the list of acceptable instruments in worship, then you better remove the organ and piano

 

A.) So, it is okay just to appeal to the older crowd? So what happens when those older people get really old and cannot attend church any more? Who is at church?

B.) I personally like old hymns, except when we sing them every Sunday. I do like a lot of them that have been set to new music, not that the new music is all that, but it helps me listen to the words again.

C.) Why can't we carry church home with us? I worship at church. I worship at home. It wouldn't keep me from church just because my home life is what it ought to be.

 

One's experience and/or preferences does not make the biblical standard for anything.

 

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I can't believe you just wrote that, Ann.

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