Should some beats be avoided?

On this we agree. We strive here to embrace the richness of many of the great hymns of the faith.

 

Though not all-inclusive, it is a good starting point, and you are welcome.

This is a common over-reaction. I wear swimming trunks sometimes too, but I would never wear them to a church. Some things can be done outside the church that are not meant to be done inside it.

BGTF

 

Perhaps you didn't notice the stringed instruments and organ listed there.

BGTF

 

Those are pretty good numbers, but they aren’t quite as good as the numbers Osteen’s ‘church’ puts up, though the liklihood of any of those in his church being genuine is as close to zero as it can be. Perhaps if I had more information on your converts I will be able to make a better judgment, and will be willing to give you a solid answer.

Tell me your thoughts on these, they are all pretty short except the last one, but it should take less than 2 hours to read them all.

http://www.fivesolas.com/watson/reproof.htm
http://www.pioneernet.net/rbrannan/whitefield/sermons/WITF_023.HTM
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/6528/fund46.htm
http://www.gracegems.org/24/Ryle_alive_or_dead.htm

Upon reading them, first of all tell me exactly where you fit in, and secondly tell me where your church's converts fit in? After that I will be able to make a reasonable determination.


BGTF

 

By your reasoning if I have a petting zoo in the "sanctuary" of the church, and preach on Noah's Ark, and a number of people get saved, then all is justified. The end justifies the means. Punk music is ok as long as people get saved. Marilyn Manson is ok as long as people get saved. The end justfies the means. This is your reasoning. Whatever will draw people in and get them saved (no matter how secular and profane) will, in the end, glorify God. Is this right? Is this your philosophy?

Can you give one example in the Bible where music was ever used for evangelism?

 

Annsi,

After saying your DH had some contemporary christian music playing, you said...

Yeah, but watch out if you and DH play some christian jazz! :laugh:

Mike

 

My point (I think it was missed) is that people are responding to Christ, and that they are doing so in our traditional as well as contemporary setting. It isn't about music or worship style. At our church, folks are cultivating relationships with others outside the church, and sharing Christ with them.

The overwhelming portion of those accepting Christ in our church, outside of young children of members (which is less than 25% of our total) comes from folks whose soil has been planted and watered by someone in our church. When they come, they've been prepared. Music isn't the evangelical medium much of the time in our church IMO, and I've never said it was.

Quit being silly. So our using a band and singing newer songs (and newer arrangements of older songs) equals Marilyn Manson? Come on, you can do better than that...

 

Agreed: Worship style (ANY style) does not supplant the above in any way.

Agreed. Those are great words...and they are equally applicable to anyone claiming to be saved. Do all of our folks who walk the aisle hit a "home run" here? Nope...but we have successes and failures among our hymn-singers, chorus-singers, and both-singers (which an overwhelming number of our church is). Thankfully, we have more showing the evidence than not....and we strive as leaders to help them understand the importance of it to the best of our ability.

 

OK, having read all the articles, where do you personally fit in?

BGTF

 

To say that piano and organ fit in with the wording of Ps. 150 is a stretch.

Funny how we make exceptions for our preferences.

 

Ps 150:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power. 2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness. 3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp. 4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. 5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. 6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.


Let's look at the word in verse 4, I think it clearly says ORGANS, so what's a guy to think? And I am sure you won't deny that a piano is a stringed instrument.


BGTF

 

Do you really think our modern piano and organ are what the author was referring to?

The Hebrew word that the KJV translates "organs" would be better translated pipe or flute.

 

It wasn't a matter of being silly. I just used some very extreme examples that I know would never be used by Christians. It is the "slippery slope" argument. Or, where do you draw the line? And, indeed a line must be drawn. There is a church down the street from where I live (not Baptist), that has a mosh pit. They play what would be called CCM. I call it Christian Rock. I don't believe it has the right to be called Christian at all, in spite of what words are put to the music. When these young people mimic the world, use the world's music, throw themselves of the stage into a crowd of screaming teens is it worship or entertainment. What has that got to do with the worship of a holy God. Again, I ask the question: Does the end justify the means? No it doesn't. Even if one soul was saved, the end doesn't justify the means.

Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid! How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein (Rom.6:1,2)

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

 

How many folk singers does it take to change a light bulb?
Three. One to change the bulb and two to write a song about how good the old light bulb was.


How many punk-rock musicians does it take to change a light bulb?
Two. One to screw in the bulb and the other to smash the old one on his forehead.


How many lead singers does it take to change a light bulb?
Just one, but she just stands there holding up the bulb and expects the whole world to revolve around her.

 

So that means I can rock out to the glory of God with my 1966 Electric Fender Strat. Guitars after all ARE stringed instruments! Cool!

 

And what is an organ, but a multi-piped instrument.

BGTF

 

A hearty amen to that.

BGTF

 

You failed to answer my other question. Do you believe our modern piano and organ is what the author had in mind?

 

I believe the piano and the organ are what the Author had in mind.

BGTF