Should some beats be avoided?

[Alex Quackenbush]

If you were referring to Reggae music than you would be wrong it's not only about "entertainment."

Reggae is often associated with the Rastafari movement, an influence on many prominent reggae musicians from its inception. Reggae song lyrics deal with many subjects, including faith, love, relationships, poverty, injustice and other broad social issues.

I could just pull out the race card. I don't want to. :saint:

The problem with many people is they often wish to force onto other people's words, ideas, prejudices, and values not present. If I have something specifically to say about Raggae music, I will, until then the best thing you can do for yourself is always take people's words at face value including mine.

Again, I will state: If a person cannot distinguish between music appropriate for entertainment and music appropriate for spiritual worship and edification, they have no business attempting to make determinations regarding the issue.

 

[The Scribe]

The problem with many people is they often wish to force onto other people's words, ideas, prejudices, and values not present. If I have something specifically to say about Raggae music, I will, until then the best thing you can do for yourself is always take people's words at face value including mine.

Kind of like you do.

Again, I will state: If a person cannot distinguish between music appropriate for entertainment and music appropriate for spiritual worship and edification, they have no business attempting to make determinations regarding the issue.

 

[ccrobinson]

I'm not going to take you by the hand and physically take you over to wikipedia to look up the Rastafarian/reggae connection.

Not that Ms. Immature and Childish will see this, but she made the statement, thus it's incumbent on her to prove it. A rule of debate is that if you make an assertion, you must provide the evidence to prove it. If you can't prove what you're saying is true, then don't make the statement.

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

Not that Ms. Immature and Childish will see this, but she made the statement, thus it's incumbent on her to prove it. A rule of debate is that if you make an assertion, you must provide the evidence to prove it. If you can't prove what you're saying is true, then don't make the statement.

You can always tell who's losing a debate by noting which debater makes personal attacks.

You have declared Sopranette the winner, which makes you.....


BGTF

 

[ccrobinson]

It's hardly a personal attack to call somebody childish and immature when they're actually acting childish and immature. Using an ignore list, and then bragging that you have one, is childish and immature.

 

[Alex Quackenbush]

The problem with many people is they often wish to force onto other people's words, ideas, prejudices, and values not present. If I have something specifically to say about Raggae music, I will, until then the best thing you can do for yourself is always take people's words at face value including mine.

Kind of like you do.

You have made a direct accusation toward me. Now, provide proof that I have done this or have the decency to recant it.

 

[Dr. Bob]

How 'bout we grow up and discuss the issues.

Or I'll just close this down.

 

[Mike McK]

Brother Mike, I'm not going to take you by the hand and physically take you over to wikipedia to look up the Rastafarian/reggae connection.

I'm not asking you to, nor do I need you to.

I've been listening to reggae for about twenty-five years now and have been playing it frequently on my show since it's inception about five years ago.

You made the claim that reggae came from Rasta worship services. It is therefore up to you to back that claim up.

The truth is, I may be very knowledgable about music, but I'm not so arrogant as to think that I'm infallible. So I already went to the Wikipedia entry on Reggae.

Guess what? According to the very source you're citing, you're wrong. The same source you claim says that reggae was born in Rasta worship services says something very different.

The Wikipedia entry that you, yourself cited, confirms what reggae fans already knew: that reggae comes from a combination of the ska of the early-mid sixties and rocksteady. It also has it's roots in the calypso of artists such as Lord Kitchner and Little Sparrow. But no Rasta worship services.

Better luck next time, though.

The fact is, there are some beats that make a person want to move in a sexually suggestive way

I honestly can't think of a single reggae song that would encourage anyone to move in a "sexually suggestive way".

 

[Mike McK]

Brother Mike, I'm not going to take you by the hand and physically take you over to wikipedia to look up the Rastafarian/reggae connection.

I'm not asking you to, nor do I need you to.

I've been listening to reggae for about twenty-five years now and have been playing it frequently on my show since it's inception about five years ago.

You made the claim that reggae came from Rasta worship services. It is therefore up to you to back that claim up.

The truth is, I may be very knowledgable about music, but I'm not so arrogant as to think that I'm infallible. So I already went to the Wikipedia entry on Reggae.

Guess what? According to the very source you're citing, you're wrong. The same source you claim says that reggae was born in Rasta worship services says something very different.

The Wikipedia entry that you, yourself cited, confirms what reggae fans already knew: that reggae comes from a combination of the ska of the early-mid sixties and rocksteady. It also has it's roots in the calypso of artists such as Lord Kitchner and Little Sparrow. But no Rasta worship services.

Better luck next time, though.

The fact is, there are some beats that make a person want to move in a sexually suggestive way

I honestly can't think of a single reggae song that would encourage anyone to move in a "sexually suggestive way".

 

[Joshua Rhodes]

Meh...to each his own. Worship music should be humble and sincere. But that's just MY opinion. You go ahead and have your rave party. So long as everybody is having a good time, that's what's important, isn't it? And applaude after each song, because it IS for your entertainment. Oh, and don't forget your platform shoes and gold chains to your next service.

love,

Sopranette

Ouch... out of line.

 

[rbell]

OK...so, we say, "the reggae beat is associated with A, B, and C...thus it is inherently evil."

WOuldn't the same be true for instruments? Any musical instrument that has ever been used in a manner less than worshipful is thus disqualified.

And now.............you've all become Church of Christ.

Whoops! You're vocal instrument has been bad, too.

Looks like we all shut up. :laugh:

(an illustration of the argument's crux carried out to its logical end)

 

[SaggyWoman]

Speaking of bad beats, some of that southern gospel sounds so much like country, it makes me want to drink.

 

[ccrobinson]

If we work hard enough, I bet we can get every form of music there is classified as evil.

 

[tinytim]

OK...so, we say, "the reggae beat is associated with A, B, and C...thus it is inherently evil."

WOuldn't the same be true for instruments? Any musical instrument that has ever been used in a manner less than worshipful is thus disqualified.

And now.............you've all become Church of Christ.

Whoops! You're vocal instrument has been bad, too.

Looks like we all shut up. :laugh:

(an illustration of the argument's crux carried out to its logical end)

When we shut up, we will be able to hear that still small voice saying..."You there.. I love you... I love you this much...."

When we put this stupid, stupid argument in this perspective, our attitudes change...
Or they should.. if they don't, something is wrong!!!


I see in my spiritual imagination all of us arguing at the foot of the cross over crazy things.. .If we would just look up with our spiritual eye, we will see Christ dying for us... If we really pay attention, we will notice that some of His precious blood has dropped on us.. but we keep on arguing... while our Lord dies"
Sorta like the soldiers that gambled for his clothes... we ignore our Lord.
Jesus is all that matters.. and should be all that is at the center of our worship...
Can everyone say "amen" to that?

I certainly hope so... if you agree with me.. just post "Praise God, I love Jesus"

NOW THAT IS WORSHIP!!!

 

[SaggyWoman]

If we work hard enough, I bet we can get every form of music there is classified as evil.

Probably so.

But, my theory is, if it troubles you, don't listen to it. But don't down those who do.

 

[D28guy]

You know, I've noticed that with Pagan worshippers of false Gods, as with the witchdoctors of Jamaica, etc, they all have something in common.

They all, many times per day, draw in a breath, and then.....right away...they let it out! And they do it over and over and over again!

We all better stop doing it!

Mike

 

[DHK]

but music affects everybody differently.

deal with it.

I suppose it does affect people differently. And by your own post you demonstrate your point. Your music affects you to the point of using profanity. I trust you can do better than that in future posts.

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

(bolded for emphasis)

"those who are not meant to be there"

And you are God!!! to declare who should be at church???!!!!:tonofbricks:
Uh, huh.. I don't know how we missed this quote back on page 6..
but this explains what is in the heart of this poster...

We gotta keep them sinners out... they are not like us.. we are saints, and God's word should only be preached to us...

Sorry, you are trying to play God here, and Christ told us to preach to sinners...

but of course, it is obvious you don't consider yourself a sinner.. you are a saint...

Man, God must have messed up letting Paul write in the NT.. why, you are so much clearly holier than he was.. He even admitted he was a sinner...
Chief of sinners!

Hmmm..

Go on, live in your little four room sanctuary, calling all other Christians that don't worship like you do, "unholy".. And when we get to Heaven, God will judge...

So now we have, not only, ignorance of elementary, 1st grade music, but also, self-righteousness in a poster that claims CCM is "of the devil" (Can anyone here but me hear the momma in WAterboy" "CCM is of the Devil!!!"
Pagan philosophy again raises it's head in Christianity.. along with ignorance, and self-righteousness...
OK, what is next? Oh, I bet he plays the card.. Drums come from pagan nations... (the article linked earlier claims this) Well guess what...
That unholy thing called a banjo, that doesn't play melody, came from a pagan nation.... Thank God, we can throw bluegrass out of churches!!!!

The Lord has commanded that the church is to be a congregation of believers, meant solely for the edification of the saints. Not that the heathen necessarily are forbidden entry, but that if they enter the church it is on the terms of the Bible. A heathen is to be welcome in the presence of the saint, but never comfortable. Your post indicated that you want to make the heathen comfortable in your church; that is wrong and if it hasn’t already happened, will lead to your church being overrun with heathen.

Ezek 44:6-9 And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations, 7 In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations. 8 And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves. 9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

Jer 51:51 We are confounded, because we have heard reproach: shame hath covered our faces: for strangers are come into the sanctuaries of the LORD's house.

Though you will not believe me, I am hoping you will believe this article about what comprises a church.
http://www.feasite.org/Foundation/fbcwhatcons.htm

Eighth, the Apostolic Church was composed of saved people. "Saints in Christ Jesus" (Philippians 1:1, etc.) who had been washed, "sanctified ... [and] justified in the name of the Lord Jesus (1 Corinthians 6:11). They had been "born again" through the Gospel (1 Peter 1:23-25); hence, they were children of God by faith in Christ" (Galatians 3:26). They had been baptized in one Spirit into one body, of which Christ was and is the Head (1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:22-23). Certain might creep into their assemblies who were not true Christians, but they did it "unawares" (Jude 4).

The Bible tells us to make melody to the Lord, not pound drums for the heathen, which is what I mean about beat. I understand that all songs are metered according to beats, but when the song has the jungle beat or the sensual, where you may want to start snapping your fingers, it is an appeal to the flesh and simply is not for worship of the Lord. Drums are meant for the animal nature and hinder the spiritual nature, whereas a proper melody offers no hindrance and frees the spirit of the believer to properly worship the Lord.

Eph 5:19-20 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Nowhere in the Bible does the Lord condone drums for divine worship, Psalm 150 tells you the type of instruments that can be used to glorify the Lord:

Ps 150:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power. 2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness. 3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp. 4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs. 5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals. 6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

From ISBE:

“In the Old Testament the drum is used on festive occasions; it is not mentioned in connection with Divine service.”

From Nelson’s, on the timbrel (like tambourine) which is the closest instrument to a drum:

Timbrel. A percussion instrument which was carried and beaten by hand. Considered inappropriate for the Temple, it was probably played primarily by women (Ps 68:25). The timbrel may have been excluded from the Temple instruments because of its great popularity with the Canaanite fertility cults. Among the Hebrew people, it was associated with merrymaking and processions (Gen 31:27). Remnants of timbrels with pieces of bronze inserted in the rim have been uncovered by archaeologists. Thus, the instrument could be shaken as well as beaten.

A church will either have Christians in it or drums in it, if you bring in the Christians the drums will leave; and if you bring in the drums the Christians will leave, being scattered by the Lord. It is a repeatable process that I have watched happen several times, with no church turning back yet; I hope you may be the first.

Jer 10:21 For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.

BGTF

 

[Aaron]

Yes, it's a word you made up in a thread a couple of years ago. You claimed that it was a style of jazz.

Funny, when I Google the word, I get over 1.1 million hits.

Google the term with jazz and you'll get 180,000 results. When I did it, the very first item was an Amazon.com link to a jazz collection called "Razzmatazz Jazz."

And this is all because I made up the word? [referemce to profanity deleted]

_____________________________________________________________________________

Aaron, the inference's to profanity, which everyone here could detect are not necessary. If you cannot post with civility, showing grace to others, then please--just refrain from posting.
DHK

 

[Aaron]

Aaron insisted to us that there is some sort of jazz music called razzmatazz that's supposed to be really super evil or something.

The post in question listed a number of popular music styles from around the turn of the century and shortly thereafter, and the question was, could anyone find a Gospel song that was written and published at the time that aforementioned styles were popular. Here's the original thread:

http://www.baptistboard.com/archive/index.php/t-16976.html

He then tried to deny it and got caught in a lie. When I dragged up the thread to show from his own words that he did say the things he claimed he didn't say, he pitched a fit and abused his moderator privileges to try to ban me.

Here's the link to that thread.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=5269

You'll find that my threat was to delete any more irrelevant posts. There was no attempt to ban Mike (a.k.a. Smoke Eater) for this.

Needless to say, the administrators didn't really see the humor in it. I'm still here and he's no longer a mod.

To set the record straight, I'm no longer a mod because I voluntarily stepped down.

Now, the next thing you know, Mike will accuse me of making up the word fairytale and using it to describe a cross section of his posts. :type: