Should some beats be avoided?

[PastorSBC1303]

I believe the piano and the organ are what the Author had in mind.

BGTF

:laugh: Ok. Well I have looked at this passage in every translation I can find as well as the Hebrew and I see nothing to lead me to that conclusion.

It is simply saying that we should praise the Lord with everything that we have.

You simply came to your conclusion because it supports your preferences.

There is nothing anywhere in Scripture that tells us that Ps. 150 is the standard for worship instruments or anything of that nature.

Anyways, I have had enough fun here in this thread. I am going to bow out and let yall have it.

It remains very sad to me to see people putting their own preferences above Scripture.

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

It is simply saying that we should praise the Lord with everything that we have.

You managed to say that in one sentence, if God wanted to say that do you not think He could say it just like that?

It remains very sad to me to see people putting their own preferences above Scripture.

Your sarcanol is flaring up again. People don't start a post with laughter, and end in a sad note.


BGTF

 

[rbell]

I believe the piano and the organ are what the Author had in mind.

BGTF

Then why did followers of God disobey that command for 2500 years? The modern piano & organ weren't on the scene for millenia.

Or, conversely: we're being disobedient, because our "modern" instruments of the last 400 years are not what the Hebrews used.

Quite the humorous interpretation....

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

Then why did followers of God disobey that command for 2500 years? The modern piano & organ weren't on the scene for millenia.

Or, conversely: we're being disobedient, because our "modern" instruments of the last 400 years are not what the Hebrews used.

Quite the humorous interpretation....

With the harp being the precurser of the piano, and the flute being the precurser of the organ, I see no problem with it.

If you keep laughing though, it will keep you from self-examination.


BGTF

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

Agreed: Worship style (ANY style) does not supplant the above in any way.



Agreed. Those are great words...and they are equally applicable to anyone claiming to be saved. Do all of our folks who walk the aisle hit a "home run" here? Nope...but we have successes and failures among our hymn-singers, chorus-singers, and both-singers (which an overwhelming number of our church is). Thankfully, we have more showing the evidence than not....and we strive as leaders to help them understand the importance of it to the best of our ability.

OK, having read all the articles, where do you personally fit in?

BGTF

rbell

You still haven't addressed this from our other discussion.


BGTF

 

[tinytim]

You managed to say that in one sentence, if God wanted to say that do you not think He could say it just like that?





BGTF

Because this comes from poetry...

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

Because this comes from poetry...

Tim

It is not anything that isn't found elsewhere in the Bible, IE 1Chr 13:8 etc.


BGTF

 

[youngmom4]

It wasn't a matter of being silly. I just used some very extreme examples that I know would never be used by Christians. It is the "slippery slope" argument. Or, where do you draw the line? And, indeed a line must be drawn. There is a church down the street from where I live (not Baptist), that has a mosh pit. They play what would be called CCM. I call it Christian Rock. I don't believe it has the right to be called Christian at all, in spite of what words are put to the music. When these young people mimic the world, use the world's music, throw themselves of the stage into a crowd of screaming teens is it worship or entertainment. What has that got to do with the worship of a holy God. Again, I ask the question: Does the end justify the means? No it doesn't. Even if one soul was saved, the end doesn't justify the means.

Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid! How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein (Rom.6:1,2)

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

My cousin would be very sad to hear that since he loves the Lord and plays in a Christian metal band. :tear: Really now, what right have you to determine what is in someone else's heart?

 

[DHK]

My cousin would be very sad to hear that since he loves the Lord and plays in a Christian metal band. :tear: Really now, what right have you to determine what is in someone else's heart?

Some drug addicts love the Lord too. Would you be sad to hear that some of those very ones still take cocaine, and smoke pot? After all they really love the Lord. Really then, what right do you have to determine what is in someone else's heart? Is it not the same thing? If you look at my post carefully I posted Scripture. It was the Scripture that condemned, not me. Let me post it again for you:

Romans 6:1-2 Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Those aren't my words; they are God's Words. If they offend you then it is God that has offended you, or more accurately you have become offended at what God has been saying to you. I only quoted to you what the Scripture has been saying for the last 2,000 years. It hasn't changed any. "I the Lord change not." God's Word, as God Himself is, is immutable. Why are you offended at the Word of God?

The truth of the matter is, that a man should give up sin if he is going to live a pure life, a life of service unto the Lord.

 

[rbell]

rbell

You still haven't addressed this from our other discussion.


BGTF

I don't enter cal/arm arguments....which these articles seem to be more about. I don't see what they had to do, if anything, with worship styles. I gave you what I thought were the best points of the article. I call that addressing them.

 

[rbell]

Some drug addicts love the Lord too. Would you be sad to hear that some of those very ones still take cocaine, and smoke pot? After all they really love the Lord. Really then, what right do you have to determine what is in someone else's heart? Is it not the same thing? If you look at my post carefully I posted Scripture. It was the Scripture that condemned, not me. Let me post it again for you:

Romans 6:1-2 Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Those aren't my words; they are God's Words. If they offend you then it is God that has offended you, or more accurately you have become offended at what God has been saying to you. I only quoted to you what the Scripture has been saying for the last 2,000 years. It hasn't changed any. "I the Lord change not." God's Word, as God Himself is, is immutable. Why are you offended at the Word of God?

The truth of the matter is, that a man should give up sin if he is going to live a pure life, a life of service unto the Lord.

But you've made a de facto assumption that being in the band is sin. That's where the disagreement lies. No Bible-believer would argue against the Scriptures you mentioned. And a druggie is abusing his body...for Christians, the temple of the Holy Spirit. The Bible speaks to that. It is silent on this, however.

 

[rbell]

If you keep laughing though, it will keep you from self-examination.


BGTF

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Nope....still can self-examine just fine!

Thanks once again for reminding me why I decided to let God, rather than you, be my guide in matters of behavior, morals, and conscience.

(BTW, I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing near you.)

 

[Joshua Rhodes]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: (BTW, I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing near you.)

My band director used to say: "I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing with you except you're not laughing."

 

[rbell]

My band director used to say: "I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing with you except you're not laughing."

Did he do that when you played the "evil" beats, or just during the redeemable ones?

 

[DHK]

But you've made a de facto assumption that being in the band is sin. That's where the disagreement lies. No Bible-believer would argue against the Scriptures you mentioned. And a druggie is abusing his body...for Christians, the temple of the Holy Spirit. The Bible speaks to that. It is silent on this, however.

What I said was sin (in my original post) was imitating the world. According to James 4:4 it is emnity with God, and whosoever is a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Those are fairly strong words.

What I said, concerning a church close to me is that they have a mosh pit (imitating the world), throw screaming young people into that pit (imitating the world) all to the loud beat of rock music (imitating the world), which inspite of the words put to that music is still worldly music that imitates the world.
God calls that, and those that do that "enemies of God." Whosoever shall be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Whose side is one on?

 

[Ivon Denosovich]

DHK, how is any of that "imitating the world" in a moral sense?

 

[Trotter]

Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. [Romans 14:4-8]

It would do us all well to read and absorb those words.

I started reading this thread to see what was going on, and I have to say I did not like what I read. A lot of it was just shamefull.

I am pro-CCM. I use it to praise my Lord. I grew up on classic rock, and went on through heavy metal, the eighties and nineties. I still enjoy most of it, even some metal (select songs). CCM met me where I was, and it brought me closew to the Lord.

As for beats in church, follow what the Spirit tells you. If your church is doing what goes against your Spirit-led convictions, you need to leave and find another house of worship, or start praying for God to make a change there. I have been in churches where the walls were thumping, and I was as close to God as I have ever been. I have been in somber traditional churches and felt the same. I can worship with either.

Where a disco, reggae, or hard rock beat may seem out of place in a traditional church setting, they all can have a place in worship. I have seen many teens brought to the Lord through the draw of some of this music. Are their conversions true? yes, because they were converted by the Spirit and scripture, not a song. the song was just a tool used by the Spirit to draw them close enough to Him so they could hear His call.

For those who are totally against anything remotely akin to contemporary music, praise god. For those who enbrace contemporary music in worship, prasie God. For those who use no instruments whatsoever, praise God. but let's ALL stop tearing one another apart because of our differences. Did Paul not say that we are all different, but a part of one Body? Celebrate the differences, as together we work out Christ's purpose on this world.

 

[webdog]

Should some beats be avoided?

Yes...this dead horse...​

 

[Filmproducer]

Brother Mike, I'm not going to take you by the hand and physically take you over to wikipedia to look up the Rastafarian/reggae connection. The fact is, there are some beats that make a person want to move in a sexually suggestive way, and usually not in private. Often they have roots in subversive, criminal activities, too, such as rap music. These are not appropriate for Christian worship services.

love,

Sopranette

Know I'm jumping in rather late, but PUH-LEEZE!

Don't know whether to :laugh: or :BangHead: .......

(pssst Sopranette wikipedia is not the most reliable of sources..... :laugh: )

Reggae music's origins are actually a fusian of African folk and ska, and the term itself referes to the "ragged man" or the common man, i.e. the poor. Then again for anyone that listens to reggae, (especially the early stuff), this would be quite obvious from the pervasive social and political overtones in the lyrics.

 

[Filmproducer]

and how dare you stereotype rap music, relating it to criminal activities.
i actually find that offensive and ignorant at the same time.
i love rap music - lecrae, la symphony, crossmovement, JR, ambassador, pigeon john and the likes.

Thank you! These are some great artists who truly love the Lord and are doing His will. IMO, it all boils down to one thing and that is preference, and I'm sorry Sopranette but frankly, and yes I am going to be blunt, judging by your comments you don't really prefer, and even go so far as to condemn most, forms of "urban" (read black) music. Depending on the people and the church some reggae or rap music may be appropriate for any number of things, including worship and praise. I say leave it up to the church and it's members and if you feel strongly that your church is somehow using sinful beats address it and/or find another church.

Note: I am in no way calling you racist. Just wanted to clarify.