Silly translation.

[SavedByGrace]

Oh, I see, so you are a Greek linguist based on the fact that you have not studied the Greek linguists. Got it.

You think you know it all because you translated a Japanese Bible. What a joke!

I won't be wasting my time responding to you as I have better things to do

 

[John of Japan]

Proving what,? Your own arguments here show that you don't really understand Greek usage!

Well, tell you what. The funeral is over. I'll try one last time to make you understand "generic" usage. If you don't get it this time I'll have to conclude that (how can I put it gently?) you are content with your misunderstanding.

For a word to be used in a generic sense means that it is non-specific. That is, it is not referring to anything specific. You think ἀνηρ is somehow referring to women in a generic usage. But generic usage means that it is not referring to either male or female, but "person" in a non-specific way.

If you don't believe me (you obviously think I am incompetent in Greek linguistics), let's try a linguistic dictionary. "generic (Expression, etc.) referring to an entire class of individuals, events, etc., rather than to specific members.... A word like man is said to have a 'generic use' in reference to any human being, rather than male human beings in particular. Hence 'male generic' or 'generic masculine..." (P. H. Matthews, Oxford Concise Dictionary of Linguistics, p. 156).

If this doesn't enter your skull and produce understanding, I can't help you. Just go ahead and keep insulting--I won't be here.

 

[John of Japan]

You think you know it all because you translated a Japanese Bible. What a joke!

I won't be wasting my time responding to you as I have better things to do

Wow, I haven't been called a "know-it-all" since I was a kid. Gave me a good laugh. Thanks!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Wow, I haven't been called a "know-it-all" since I was a kid. Gave me a good laugh. Thanks!

You are acting like one!

 

[SavedByGrace]

I can't do that as long as you misunderstand the concept of generic and still think you have it all figured out.. It would be a waste of me time.

See you later. I have to go to a funeral.

just one question that requires a yes or no answer. does the use of "ἀνὴρ" in Romans 4:8, and James 1:20, include both male and female?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

You are acting like one!

No, John is acting like an OxBridge Don.

 

[John of Japan]

Male Meaning in Generic Masculines in Koine Greek

See the conclusion

Huh? The conclusion is not even talking about ἀνηρ. Do I have to figure out everything for you? Pay attention!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Huh? The conclusion is not even talking about ἀνηρ. Do I have to figure out everything for you? Pay attention!

no answer for #85?

 

[John of Japan]

no answer for #85?

I did answer it previously. Why should I answer it again? You simply did not pay attention. If you were one of my students I'd probably throw a white board eraser at you.

 

[SavedByGrace]

I did answer it previously. Why should I answer it again? You simply did not pay attention. If you were one of my students I'd probably throw a white board eraser at you.

usual cop-out when you are wrong!

 

[John of Japan]

usual cop-out when you are wrong!

Another good laugh. Thank you! You are entertaining when you insult, though I don't think you mean to be. If you are trying to hurt my feelings, it's not working. Keep up the insults, because "laughter doeth good like a medicine."

 

[SavedByGrace]

Another good laugh. Thank you! You are entertaining when you insult, though I don't think you mean to be. If you are trying to hurt my feelings, it's not working. Keep up the insults, because "laughter doeth good like a medicine."

I am not insulting you but have a few times asked a very simple question which you avoid to answer and instead ask me to read various books!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Another good laugh. Thank you! You are entertaining when you insult, though I don't think you mean to be. If you are trying to hurt my feelings, it's not working. Keep up the insults, because "laughter doeth good like a medicine."

One more time. Respond to Romans 4.8 and James 1.20

 

[John of Japan]

I am not insulting you but have a few times asked a very simple question which you avoid to answer and instead ask me to read various books!

Oh give me a break. #57. Pay attention! (And yes, you insulting. You don't even know it?)

You were incredibly rude to Ziggy on another thread. And I guarantee you, he has forgotten more about the subject that thread was about than you know. I know him in person.

 

[John of Japan]

One more time. Respond to Romans 4.8 and James 1.20

I did. They are the generic use of ἀνηρ. I even gave you a linguistic definition of generic usage, which you then completely ignored.

Now go ahead, insult me again. I'll be waiting.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Oh give me a break. #57. Pay attention! (And yes, you insulting. You don't even know it?)

You were incredibly rude to Ziggy on another thread. And I guarantee you, he has forgotten more about the subject that thread was about than you know. I know him in person.

Fine. It's best that we never again comment on the others remarks. It is bye from me. I have no time for the likes of you

 

[John of Japan]

Fine. It's best that we never again comment on the others remarks. It is bye from me. I have no time for the likes of you

Splendid. Another insult. "The likes of you" indeed.

 

[SavedByGrace]

No, John is acting like an OxBridge Don.

 

[Ziggy]

See the conclusion

The conclusion: "This evidence favors the conclusion that use of masculine singular in English provides an *appropriate* match in meaning. *Ideology*, however, still puts pressure on translators not to allow such meanings in English."

 

[SavedByGrace]

The conclusion: "This evidence favors the conclusion that use of masculine singular in English provides an *appropriate* match in meaning. *Ideology*, however, still puts pressure on translators not to allow such meanings in English."

But as I have already shown, Romans 4.8 and James 1.20 are examples where the word is used for both male and female. If not then show otherwise