Sins a Christian cannot commit...

[rbell]

Jas 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do GOOD, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. This kind of sin will send you to hell.

Like outsider said..

So....if I neglect to witness to a lost person today...I will go to hell?
If I neglect to give to the needy...I'll go to hell?

If I don't pray for my enemies...I'll go to hell?


Now, don't get me wrong: those are sins. But "those are the kind of sins that send you to hell?"

Sorry...I don't see the disctinction between that and the sins listed in 1 Corinthians 6, Revelations 21, or any other list, for that matter.

How is it one set of sins will "send you to hell" and yet another set of sins will not?

Doesn't this diminish the gravity of sins when we say

THIS sin is a "hell-sender" sin.

versus

THIS sin is not.

 

[charles_creech78]

For Jesus said he that loveth me keepeth my commandments loveth me

 

[Outsider]

Do you know not to kill, still, commit adultery, and all the other part of the commandments that are given.

Yes they are. But so are the ones I listed. Those are the one's James was referring too. The people were not helping one another. They were (In my words) saying things like - "Thats your problem not mine" or "I know you need help but I am busy right now".

Obviously I know not to murder, commit adultry, etc...
I also know that the sick needs visited tonight. Tomorrow night.

 

[charles_creech78]

Pride is a sin too.
You are now arguing to not lose instead of trying to learn or teach.

I provided you with my reference. You then said:

Then you turn right around and give your definition of a lie:

Which so happens to match the modern day dictionary of the word lie.

You accuse me of one thing and then you are guilty of the very same thing. Is that not bearing false witness? Is this not pride?

Maybe these are sins that you say is ok to commit, I do not know.

No, you are the one who brought up adding to the scripture, so I ask you for scripture

 

[charles_creech78]

Like outsider said..

So....if I neglect to witness to a lost person today...I will go to hell?
If I neglect to give to the needy...I'll go to hell?

If I don't pray for my enemies...I'll go to hell?


Now, don't get me wrong: those are sins. But "those are the kind of sins that send you to hell?"

Sorry...I don't see the disctinction between that and the sins listed in 1 Corinthians 6, Revelations 21, or any other list, for that matter.

How is it one set of sins will "send you to hell" and yet another set of sins will not?

Doesn't this diminish the gravity of sins when we say


versus

I have told you over and over the Ten Commandments.

Also,you still have not said if you have God's laws in your heart.

 

[rbell]

Also,you still have not said if you have God's laws in your heart.

um, I am a Christian. Psalm 119:11 is a verse I know, love, and treasure.

I think you have some views you need to re-examine, but I have not questioned your salvation. Please afford me the same courtesy.

 

[charles_creech78]

um, I am a Christian. Psalm 119:11 is a verse I know, love, and treasure.

I think you have some views you need to re-examine, but I have not questioned your salvation. Please afford me the same courtesy.

Ok what would you say if I told you God made me perfect.

 

[Outsider]

I look up the word Lie and Liar in the greek concordance. This tells me what the word lie meant in that day.

Now, please provide me how you got your definition?

1) a lie
2) conscious and intentional falsehood
3) in a broad sense, whatever is not what it seems to be
a) of perverse, impious, deceitful precepts

Pride is a sin too.
You are now arguing to not lose instead of trying to learn or teach.

I provided you with my reference. You then said:

Quote:
Would you please provide scripture of what a lie is instead of the dictionary? Talk about adding to.

Then you turn right around and give your definition of a lie:

Quote:
1) a lie
2) conscious and intentional falsehood
3) in a broad sense, whatever is not what it seems to be
a) of perverse, impious, deceitful precepts

Which so happens to match the modern day dictionary of the word lie.

You accuse me of one thing and then you are guilty of the very same thing. Is that not bearing false witness? Is this not pride?

Maybe these are sins that you say is ok to commit, I do not know.

I provided you with my reference. It is the greek concordance definition of a lie. I already know where your defintion comes from, I looked it up. It did not come from scripture. It came from a dictionary (Unless it is an amazing coinsidence).
Again friend, pride and bearing false witness is a sin. Do you not feel convicted? Do you not feel the need to repent and admit you sinned?

 

[Outsider]

Ok what would you say if I told you God made me perfect.

Aside from the obvious, you already admit that you sin.

 

[Joe]

How come everyone always pairs up murder & adultery as the first two hanious sins a Christian can't commit?

Does anyone see a difference between them?

 

[charles_creech78]

Aside from the obvious, you already admit that you sin.

Not inwardly, I haven't admitted nothing.

 

[charles_creech78]

I provided you with my reference. It is the greek concordance definition of a lie. I already know where your defintion comes from, I looked it up. It did not come from scripture. It came from a dictionary (Unless it is an amazing coinsidence).
Again friend, pride and bearing false witness is a sin. Do you not feel convicted? Do you not feel the need to repent and admit you sinned?

So now, you are going to be my judge and jury, that I have sinned and need to feel convicted.

No, I do not feel convicted for telling you and others the truth. I am willing to die on it.

 

[tinytim]

Useless, Useless!!!

TC had the right Idea...
When a person cannot even understand the elementary things of scripture there is no use debating with him.

Charles, I have read what you are writing, and you are clearly teaching works.. and that theology will send people to Hell.

There is so much scripture going against you in this thread, but you are blind.

IF you cannot be honest enough to admit that you are capable of not doing GOOD 100% of your life, YOU are a LIAR.

NO one does Good 100% of each second of their life, and you just said that not doing good will send you to Hell....

So no one deserves to go to Heaven!!!

With that I agree, that is why Christ is our scapegoat.. He is our substitute.. .when God looks at me, he see's Christ's righteousness..

Everyone seems to be skirting your question about adultery, but I will not...

YES, if I committed adultery, I will still Go to Heaven...
Based on what Christ has done.. .He has saved me forever.. .eternally...

Of course, I would be miserable, and worthless to God until I ask forgiveness, and I will lose rewards when I get there, but I will get there...

Not based on what I do or don't do...

But because Christ lived a sinless life. and God has applied Christ's righteousness to me when I asked him to.

If you don't believe this, Satan has you blinded. And I worry for your soul. If you can't trust Christ enough to keep you saved, something is wrong.. someone taught you wrong...



This NEXT part is for everyone...

Step back, look at Charles' argument, under which theory of atonement would it fall in? Which historical heresy is he espousing here?
I have tried to find one, but I think it is a new one coming to light here on BB....

I have never heard in all my life that there are sins a Christian cannot commit...

Why those old time preachers that preached against Adultery must have been wasting their time....

I wonder if Charles' pastor preaches against it to fellow believers.. .if so, why?

I still think it is useless to debate Charles, he will never understand it, unless the Spirit opens his eyes....

 

[Outsider]

Charles,
You don't have to.

Not inwardly, I haven't admitted nothing.

I you are looking for Jesus to die again for your sins, you are in trouble.
Quit putting words in my mouth, I have stated over and over I sin, just not the kind of sins that send someone to hell

So now, you are going to be my judge and jury, that I have sinned and need to feel convicted.

No, I do not feel convicted for telling you and others the truth. I am willing to die on it.

I am not your judge or jury. But surely you will not deny what I said. You may not feel convicted, but it still don't change the truth. Regardless if you admit it or not.

 

[tinytim]

I thought of a couple sins unto death that no one has mentioned...

Not wearing a seatbelt, and you wreck and die... You are sinning by not wearing a seatbelt... Charles, you better buckle up... or do you have a magical seatbelt that Jesus buckles for you?

Driving 56 in a 55 MPH Zone.. and you wreck and die... you are sinning by breaking a law.. when the bible says to obey the authorities...
Charles, watch that speedometer.. .or does Christ keep you from speeding?

OH, and don't cross the center of the road... ever ... for if you cross that yellow line, and you wreck.. it is going to be pretty hot where you are going... you just sinned, and died.. hence a sin unto death...

 

[Joe]

Useless, Useless!!!
Everyone seems to be skirting your question about adultery, but I will not...

YES, if I committed adultery, I will still Go to Heaven...
Based on what Christ has done.. .He has saved me forever.. .eternally...

Of course, I would be miserable, and worthless to God until I ask forgiveness, and I will lose rewards when I get there, but I will get there...

Not based on what I do or don't do...

But because Christ lived a sinless life. and God has applied Christ's righteousness to me when I asked him to.

If you don't believe this, Satan has you blinded. And I worry for your soul. If you can't trust Christ enough to keep you saved, something is wrong.. someone taught you wrong...

WOW, thanks for answering...... Takes guts

 

[tinytim]

OH, and eating too much fried chicken.. it harms your temple...
Drinking coffee harms your temple

So, you better not drink any coffee.. .it'll send you to Hell

OH< and don't go to McDonalds.. too many saturated fats that harm your temple... I can see it now, you pull out of McD's drivethru, and get sideswiped by a car, you die, and you are going to Hell...

But I forgot, Jesus will keep you from drinking coffee, or Mt. dew, or any caffenated beverage... and Jesus keeps us from McDs...

Better watch that chocolate too... it contains caffeine.. a drug that harms your body....

NO MORE HERSHEY BARs.... They're of the devil... of the devil I SAY!!!

 

[tinytim]

WOW, thanks for answering...... Takes guts

NOT guts, but honesty.. the one thing God requires of us.

If a person cannot be honest and admit they sin, they cannot be saved.

Am I promoting adultery? absolutely not!!!
But if I honestly believe I can't commit it, Satan can use my belief and sneak up on me, and cause me to fall....

But if I know I have that capability, I can be aware of Satan's attack...

Satan has a person right where he wants them when he has convinced them they are sinless.

 

[Joe]

NOT guts, but honesty.. the one thing God requires of us.

If a person cannot be honest and admit they sin, they cannot be saved.

Am I promoting adultery? absolutely not!!!
But if I honestly believe I can't commit it, Satan can use my belief and sneak up on me, and cause me to fall....

But if I know I have that capability, I can be aware of Satan's attack...

Satan has a person right where he wants them when he has convinced them they are sinless.

Exactly. You said it perfectly :thumbs:

 

[tinytim]

Not all of them. Joh 13:10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

Joh 13:11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.

Clever, we are back to footwashing.