Sins a Christian cannot commit...

[Joe]

Mt 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth DEFILEth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this DEFILEth a man.
Mt 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

Mt 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Actually, this is taken out of context. Jesus was making a point to the Pharisees concerning their traditions.
These things do defile the body, yet more importantly, what defiles the body is what comes from the heart. Jesus felt the Pharisees were being legalistic, not understanding the commandments of God superceed their traditions.

Jesus later called the Pharisees the blind leading the blind Matt 15: 14

 

[tinytim]

1jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. What was it that Christ destroyed? What is the work of the devil?

And lying about not committing sin, is a sin in itself.

 

[Joe]

1jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. What was it that Christ destroyed? What is the work of the devil?

The works of the devil are his delight in the sins of man. And his dominion over earthly death.
Christ destroyed our sins in a sense by carrying the burden for us through his sacrifice on the cross.

 

[tinytim]

You know, I used to know a man, that claimed that he after he was saved he had never broke any of the 10 commandments...

He also believed that he had to be good enough to get to Heaven, and if he would commit a sin, and die he would go to Hell...

He also used all the scripture Charles uses, about how a the seed remains in him and he could not sin... blah, blah, blah

IN short, he trampled the blood of Jesus... and the Grace, liberty, and mercy that God was offering....


HE died a couple months ago, and in is last moments all he spoke about was how hot it was, and how the fire was touching his toes, and screaming to not be burned.....

I believe he went to Hell... I can't prove it, but from his last moments on earth, it sure sounded like it....

All because he rejected the Grace Jesus provided... he was a proud man, claiming that he never broke the big 10....

BEWARE... It could happen to you too...

Unless you put your FULL trust in Christ. YOU too will burn in Hell..

FULL trust...not partial... but FULL...

Friends this is real life, not just casestudies... People are going to Hell because of the heresy that Charles and others like him are promoting...

It is a works based theology... denying the Blood of Jesus to forgive future sins....

BEWARE of the LEAVEN of PERFECT CHRISTIANS....

 

[rbell]

If I recall, the Rich Young Ruler kept the commandmends quite well, thank you...

"The sin that sent him to hell" (if that ended up being his final destination) was the same as everyone else's--rejecting Jesus as Lord.

 

[Joe]

That's how I was taught too. Not sure if you can go to hell over it though because God judges the heart. Man sees appearance, and the work they do. If one really believes this as the biblical truth, and follows it as best they can, then there shouldn't be a problem. Yet they are probably missing out by being so stressed over following rules...
Some actually believe they obey the 10 commandments. They don't understand it is impossible. Some SDA's are a perfect example.

 

[Joe]

If I recall, the Rich Young Ruler kept the commandmends quite well, thank you...

"The sin that sent him to hell" (if that ended up being his final destination) was the same as everyone else's--rejecting Jesus as Lord.

Hopefully, if he felt the 10 commandments were to be obeyed, he understood the two greatest commandments were of even more significance.

Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40).

 

[tinytim]

If one really believes this as the biblical truth, and follows it as best they can, then there shouldn't be a problem. Yet they are probably missing out by being so stressed over following rules...
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I am not too sure it is not a problem....

If I had a white shirt, and got some, oh let's say just for fun, red wine on it...:laugh:
And I said, "That's OK, I can wash it in the washing machine with really hot water"

But when I put it in the machine, turn the water on, I put bleach in it too...
Was I really trusting the hot water to get it out?

NO.. I trusted the bleach...

NOW, If I have to say "I have to keep the 10 commandments to go to Heaven after I am saved" Am I really trusting Christ completely?

NO...

And if I am not trusting Christ completely to take me to Heaven, EVEN IF I SIN, I am not saved.

I truly believe that is what happened to the guy in my above post.

He boasted about how he doesn't sin...

IF a person thinks they are sinless, or that they cannot sin certain sins, they are deluded... or simply can't understand what they read in the Bible.

 

[charles_creech78]

I am done on this forum. You have a good debate. I hope God blesses you in the truth and in life. I love all of you .

 

[Joe]

I am not too sure it is not a problem....

If I had a white shirt, and got some, oh let's say just for fun, red wine on it...:laugh:
And I said, "That's OK, I can wash it in the washing machine with really hot water"

But when I put it in the machine, turn the water on, I put bleach in it too...
Was I really trusting the hot water to get it out?

Hmmm....if you didn't drink the alcohol, it should be alright

IF a person thinks they are sinless, or that they cannot sin certain sins, they are deluded... or simply can't understand what they read in the Bible.

Good points. Yes, he was deluded.
Also... how can you repent from sins you don't believe you comitted? I believe you would need to understand you are a sinner, and need Christ's sacrifice

 

[rbell]

I am done on this forum. You have a good debate. I hope God blesses you in the truth and in life. I love all of you .

Numbers 6:24-26--​

The LORD bless you
and keep you;
the LORD make his face shine upon you
and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you
and give you peace." '

 

[Joe]

I am done on this forum. You have a good debate. I hope God blesses you in the truth and in life. I love all of you .

Goodnight brother, sleep tight :1_grouphug:

 

[charles_creech78]

I want to explain myself. I know that it has been said that I think that I am sinless. That is not the truth. I do sin. But there are some sins that my God will not let me do and that is with me and him. I don't want to do them any way. I have no desire to do it. What make a man pure is God. I never once said I do not sin or said I am sinless. I believe in a God that is able to keep me from my sins. And I think there is something very wrong if you desire to do them. All unrightessness is sin. But I also beleive in a travel from nature to grace. God will not dwell in a unclean temple. This travel from nature to Grace is the point in a mans life where he has to lay all that he has picked up down. And become dead to the love of sin. For God let me know what I am by Nature( A SINNER) and what I must be by the GRACE OF GOD.(BORN AGAIN).Ro 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Ro 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
I prayed so many times. For God forgivness. I hated the stuff I did. I got to the point that I did not know what to do anymore. I prayed in my room one day asking and baging for forgiveness. I felt this warmth and unspeakble love come down in my soul. I have never felt before in my life. I have never wanted anything more then to fill that love again. I wanted the love that I felt to share it with the world. There was enough of it. But what I felt only God can give it. It comes from God. I know that I am nothing. But to get to a sinner is not to point the finger and say you should not do that. Put to get to them is to show his love. And I have done non of that tonight. I am sorry to all of you of pointing my finger. I said some things that was out of line. I am sorry for that. If I affended any of you I am sorry. God shall Judge all of us. I hope he has mercy on me. I love all of you and God bless.

 

[rbell]

I want to explain myself. I know that it has been said that I think that I am sinless. That is not the truth. I do sin. But there are some sins that my God will not let me do and that is with me and him. I don't want to do them any way. I have no desire to do it. What make a man pure is God. I never once said I do not sin or said I am sinless. I believe in a God that is able to keep me from my sins. And I think there is something very wrong if you desire to do them. All unrightessness is sin. But I also beleive in a travel from nature to grace. God will not dwell in a unclean temple. This travel from nature to Grace is the point in a mans life where he has to lay all that he has picked up down. And become dead to the love of sin. For God let me know what I am by Nature( A SINNER) and what I must be by the GRACE OF GOD.(BORN AGAIN).Ro 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Ro 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
I prayed so many times. For God forgivness. I hated the stuff I did. I got to the point that I did not know what to do anymore. I prayed in my room one day asking and baging for forgiveness. I felt this warmth and unspeakble love come down in my soul. I have never felt before in my life. I have never wanted anything more then to fill that love again. I wanted the love that I felt to share it with the world. There was enough of it. But what I felt only God can give it. It comes from God. I know that I am nothing. But to get to a sinner is not to point the finger and say you should not do that. Put to get to them is to show his love. And I have done non of that tonight. I am sorry to all of you of pointing my finger. I said some things that was out of line. I am sorry for that. If I affended any of you I am sorry. God shall Judge all of us. I hope he has mercy on me. I love all of you and God bless.

An excellent testimony, brother. And you hit on a key point: God changed your "want-to's."

Very nicely put.

 

[Joe]

I want to explain myself. I know that it has been said that I think that I am sinless. That is not the truth. I do sin. But there are some sins that my God will not let me do and that is with me and him. I don't want to do them any way. I have no desire to do it. What make a man pure is God. I never once said I do not sin or said I am sinless.

I know you never said you were sinless. You said you obey the 10 commandments. It was a misunderstanding imo

I believe in a God that is able to keep me from my sins. And I think there is something very wrong if you desire to do them. All unrightessness is sin. But I also beleive in a travel from nature to grace. God will not dwell in a unclean temple.

The holy spirit dwells in unclean temples, no one is pure. I agree, God can keep us from sins
I doubt anyone is mad at you :saint:
Love you too Bro

 

[Joe]

I am not too sure it is not a problem....

If I had a white shirt, and got some, oh let's say just for fun, red wine on it...:laugh:
And I said, "That's OK, I can wash it in the washing machine with really hot water"

But when I put it in the machine, turn the water on, I put bleach in it too...
Was I really trusting the hot water to get it out?

NO.. I trusted the bleach...

NOW, If I have to say "I have to keep the 10 commandments to go to Heaven after I am saved" Am I really trusting Christ completely?

NO...

And if I am not trusting Christ completely to take me to Heaven, EVEN IF I SIN, I am not saved.

I truly believe that is what happened to the guy in my above post.

He boasted about how he doesn't sin...

IF a person thinks they are sinless, or that they cannot sin certain sins, they are deluded... or simply can't understand what they read in the Bible.

I see your point completely. We do need to trust Christ, probably something I should work on. Instead of relying on too many works (the bleach)
My other reply to you was a joke, I thought you would reply back with something funny but my joke flopped. Oh well....

 

[tinytim]

I see your point completely. We do need to trust Christ, probably something I should work on. Instead of relying on too many works (the bleach)
My other reply to you was a joke, I thought you would reply back with something funny but my joke flopped. Oh well....

I went to bed before I read it!!!!

Yes, Charles, God changes our "want-tos" I no longer "want-to" sin...

doesn't mean my old flesh doesn't get it's way anymore, but when I do sin... I am a miserable creature.

 

[sag38]

Tiny I agree. To say that there are certain sins that a Christian is incapable of committing is, at best, a deluded position. Those on that high pedestal better watch out, lest they be knocked off.

 

[tinytim]

If I thought I was immune to certain sins... then Satan could blindside me.

Another way, a perverted way of looking at this is the following...

A person that believes getting drunk is a sin, but moderate drinking is not....
IF that person really believed Jesus would keep him from getting drunk, then he could use the argument... "I can drink all I want because I will never get drunk, Jesus will protect me"

Or, "since I can never commit adultery, I can look at any woman I want.. Jesus will stop me before I go too far"

I'm not saying Charles or anyone else is saying this, but the logical ends to that argument would sound something like that....

BTW, here is something that has not been addressed:
HOW does Jesus stop us from sinning?
IF it is impossible to get drunk as a Christian, how does Jesus stop us from it?

Personally, I believe there are sins I will never commit..... not that I am immune to them... I still stay on guard for Satan's attacks.. but there are sins that I truly feel I won't commit.

WHAT!!!!!! Yes, you heard me... Not because I don't have the freewill too, and not because Jesus would stop me, but simply because they DISGUST me... I am not the least bit tempted to do them....
And they are the ones that I can easily preach against, because I know I am not tempted to do them....

For instance... I am fairly certain, I will never commit a homosexual act! It disgusts me....... I am certain that i will never be a pedophile... it disgusts me...

But I am not certain that I will never tell a lie, or gossip, or a whole list of other sins...based in pride

NOW, knowing that about myself, I believe that Charles is pretty certain that he will never commit adultery, get drunk, or be a pedophile... because those disgust him to the point he would never do them....

BUT, there are others that might.

We each struggle with OUR own weaknesses... and strengths.
Where I am strong in one area, you might be weak...
And vice versa.

That is why we need to be accountable to each other.

IF you know you are weak in one sin, find an accountability group, partner, etc... that can keep you strong.

Just like Hur was strong for Moses, we need to be strong for each other...

And remember that just because you are strong in one area, you have no right calling others sinners, or lost, that are weak in that area....

Be there for each other, and not cutting each other down.

If a brother falls, pick him up... don't say, "Well, he must not have been saved" That does him no good... .

Be there for him... reconcile him to God. Restore him to the church.
Seek forgiveness for him. Show him that God loves him, and wants to forgive him, just as our father wants the best for us.

Remember if Jesus loves you, HE loves them too...
And nothing you can do will make God love you more.
NOthing you can do will make God love you less.
God's love is not conditional for his children.

 

[DHK]

Ok DHK have I told you I could not sin. And by the way you want to judge me now did n't Christ say something about that. Because I speak the truth you get upset with me. Where have I lied because I said someone that is born again cannot commit sin. Is that it . I did not say that but GOD said it. Are you calling GOD a lier. Why is it that you are upset with. Is it because God can make a man perfect like this. An't the potter have power over the clay. Is it something you have done and another has not done...? Your sins are your sins and you will be judged by them. But know this everything a man does it will be judged weather it be good or bad.So, did Jesus come in vain. The flesh was weak under the Law Covenant, so Jesus came and died and set up the Grace Covenant, where we have the indwelling of the Holy Ghost and of Jesus Christ.

And again Charles, here is what you said in post #47:

The only way he is going to see the rightessness of Jesus Christ in you is when you do what he has done. Christ did not sin.

Your position is sinless perfection. Your last statement is that you are as perfect as Christ is.
If you have changed you position since then I am glad to hear of it. It seems that you have changed looking at the post that you more recently posted. I hope that is the case, and not what you have stated in these former posts.