Sins in the church that dwarf abortion

[evangelist6589]

I for the life of me cannot imagine what anyone would believe dwarfs the slaughter of unborn children.

Ungodliness, preaching a unbiblical gospel, etc..

 

[JamesL]

In my estimation, the issue of abortion goes much deeper than the outward act of killing. At the heart of the matter is an inward defiance against God's prerogative as the giver and taker of life.

Someone doesn't want a kid, so they take the matter into their own hands.

I believe it is this same self centered defiance or lack of trust that drives women to take birth control, to have their tubes tied, and for men to have a vasectomy.

We don't want kids right now, so she's on birth control
We can't afford any more kids, so he's having a vasectomy
Three kids are enough, so she's having her tubes tied
If she gets pregnant again, her health could be jeopardized. Let's tie her tubes


These are the same motives for abortion - a simple refusal to acknowledge God as the One who knows best, and governs the issue of life and death. How far will someone go to ensure that he or she is propped up as the one who knows best?

The outward manifestation is different from case to case. For some, it's a simple pill. For others, it is the discarding of a living baby. But at the heart of the matter, it is the same issue. Even among believers,

And I believe the inward defiance is a sin that dwarfs the outward manifestation every time

 

[Yeshua1]

How many sons, through how many women had Abraham? Did God judge him as Sodom? As a whoremonger? What of Jacob? David? Solomon?

You are simply trying to hallow your diabolical agenda.

Paul's point is that sodomy is so perverse, even the natural man, who doesn't receive the things of God, finds it odious. It is a sin against nature itself.

Were that true, it wouldn't be so easy to use the Scripture to expose your hypocrisy.

the Apostle paul contrasted the "natural" affections/desires that God created and intended for mankinf, that men have relationships with females, and contrasted that with unnatural perversions of men exchanging that for sex with other men, women with women...

VERY clear God sees one type of sexual sin more henuious than another!

 

[Zaac]

....while I have the Z-man on permanent IGNORE, it is apparent that he is up to his usual bag of tricks by slamming the good ol' boys on this board?!

If he is not happy with all of us, why does he stay??? And even more interesting is that the moderators continue to let this troll continue to rip, rag on, and tear apart the members of this board, in the manner he does?.

I propose that if he is so disenchanted with the members on this board, and if he doesn't see fit to leave on his own, than the moderators do the next-best thing, and put im t of his spiritual misery by removing him. AFTER all, it sure looks as though the members of the BB are causing him to be miserable and upset with our views, and that is a sin.

And the Word is clear, if something causes another to stumble or sin, we are told to remove it. If this member doesn't see that he is being caused to commit unnecessary judgement of others [a sin], then the moderators owe it to that person to remove him, so he can finally be at peace with his way of thinking, which is totally OPPOSED to mostly everyone on this board.

After all, this board shouldn't be causing others to stumble, and it looks as though all of us are causing this one person to stumble quite often, just in this OP, headed by himself to pull others into the pit, so he could judge them up one side and down the other!

We are definitely causing him to be extremely judgmental. Judgmental about almost everything we have to say! He isn't just being contrary; he is stirring for a fight every time he comes before the board, and he loves putting others in their place! That is sad! While we should be here lifting each other up, even in times of disagreement, he looks to point his finger of judgement, and that is sad, if for no one else, for him!

This is merely my own, humble opinion!​

:BangHead:

For someone who claims to have me on ignore, you certainly keep lil ole me on your mind. You just want me to go get the Duck Dynasty lawyers to put you and your censoring ways on blast.

 

[Zaac]

Before you jump to any conclusions, please read my entire post...I will make it short and to the point.

We try to catergorize sins, such like stealing a penny isn't as bad as stealing a million dollars. Yet, stealing is stealing, and a sin nonetheless.

Taking the Lord's name in vain is no worse than saying other "oathful" words.

Murdering one is just as bad as what the likes of Hitler, Bin Laden, Kadafi(sp?...Syria's now deceased ex-leader).

I agree that abortion is a cruel act, yet it's no different in God's sight than any other sin. Blaspheming the Spirit is the only unpardonable sin. So, eventhough I could never condone abortion, it's just as bad a sin as the others, in God's sight, imo.

100% correct. Again, you've just got certain folks on this board and in the church who have adopted this as one of their pet sins and thus it is said that it dwarfs every other sin because it makes them feel justified in their political behaviors toward those who are pro-abortion.

The reasoning is political. It has nothing to do with God and that is evident.

 

[Zaac]

Abortion doesn't only affect the woman, but it does the baby, the daddy, the potential grand parents, aunts, uncles, et al. I agree that some sins carry a broader scope of the collateral damage, but the woman who commits it, she will be judged based on her being a saint or sinner...provided she's repented or not, and not just on her abortion. It's like gays/lesbians. They don't go to hell because they're gay, but because they're sinners. Same with women who had abortions. They go to hell because they're sinners, and just because they had an abortion.

Again 100% correct. And it highlights why the OP and folks in the church who think that way do.

For them, it's an issue of proving that they are right. There's never any mention for the totality of the sin being committed by a person when dealing with abortion and homosexual sin. It's always exclusively the pet sins.

They can convince people they are right about the pet sins and the folks will still go to hell because they haven't told them of the need to be forgiven for ALL of their sin because they are so stuck on their own agendas and the pet sins.

It's disgusting.

 

[Zaac]

You mean living and unliving.

I mean what I said.

If the baby is dead, ain't too many folks got a problem with the baby being removed from the mother.

I would like all good men to go to zaac's post and report it as proabortion.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2077656&postcount=43

He, like Crab(Mao)boy, draws a distinction between the living and the unborn. The administration won't do anything about it, but our reports will be testimony against Molech on the Baptistboard.

Now that's one of the funniest things I've read in a while.:laugh:

 

[Zaac]

Ungodliness, preaching a unbiblical gospel, etc..

Yes indeed Evangelist. Those DEFINITELY need to be put up there right along with the increase of wickedness in the church and the lack of love for one's neighbors.

But those things make the folks on BB and in the church feel uncomfortable because they have to examine themselves when you bring those up instead of waxing on about others and the pet sin.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes indeed Evangelist. Those DEFINITELY need to be put up there right along with the increase of wickedness in the church and the lack of love for one's neighbors.

But those things make the folks on BB and in the church feel uncomfortable because they have to examine themselves when you bring those up instead of waxing on about others and the pet sin.

another BIG problem is not calling things an abomination/perverse, and those whose lifestyle is found in contunially doing those things shall NOT inherit the Kingdom of Christ!

 

[Yeshua1]

Again 100% correct. And it highlights why the OP and folks in the church who think that way do.

For them, it's an issue of proving that they are right. There's never any mention for the totality of the sin being committed by a person when dealing with abortion and homosexual sin. It's always exclusively the pet sins.

They can convince people they are right about the pet sins and the folks will still go to hell because they haven't told them of the need to be forgiven for ALL of their sin because they are so stuck on their own agendas and the pet sins.

It's disgusting.

God Himself calls abotion muder, worthy of death penaly, and calls those who practice and approve of homosexuality as those worthy of a death sentence...

Do you?

God sees sins in varying levels/degrees, do you?

thank God one who had an abortion, or one once caught up in gay lifestyle can be saved and set free, but we still MSUT call things as God sees them!

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes indeed Evangelist. Those DEFINITELY need to be put up there right along with the increase of wickedness in the church and the lack of love for one's neighbors.

But those things make the folks on BB and in the church feel uncomfortable because they have to examine themselves when you bring those up instead of waxing on about others and the pet sin.

how can refusing to call abortion a great sin, and by refusing to call an perverse lifestyle wicked, bu 'loving other/" as that would be promoting them to keep on sinning!

Do you deny much of the so calledChurch no longer sees eithers sins as being sin any more to God?

 

[Zaac]

how can refusing to call abortion a great sin,

Who refused to call abortion a great sin? I just said it doesn't dwarf other sins.

and by refusing to call an perverse lifestyle wicked,

Who hasn't called a perverse lifestyle wicked.? The perverse lifestyle is wicked. There. How was that? It's as wicked as the perversly justified wickedness stamped to be Godly and coming out of the church is.

bu 'loving other/" as that would be promoting them to keep on sinning!

Are you calling the perverse lifestyle of the glutton, the gossip, the slanderer, the immodest dresser out? Or are you remaining silent and promoting them to keep sinning?

Do you deny much of the so calledChurch no longer sees eithers sins as being sin any more to God?

Based upon your penchant to only see this one sin and ignoring others and a tendency of those in the church to ignore their own wickedness and go so far as to justify it as Godly, I would tend to agree with you that the church doesn't view sin as it should.

 

[HankD]

I believe that what we might consider to be the smallest of sins is enough to merit an eternity in perdition. Yet I also believe that some sins are more serious or weighty than others. There are gradations of eternal punishment.

In John 19:11 Jesus told Pilate:"Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greter sin." In 1 Cor. 6:18 it indicates that sins done outside the body are not as serious as sins done in or against the body. Gradations.

Remember what Jesus told the residents of Chorazin, Bethsaida and Capernaum. "For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon,they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.But I tell you,it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. And you Capernaum,will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles had been performed in Sodom,it would have remained to this day.But I tell you that it will be more bearable for sodom on the day of judgment than for you." (Matt. 11:21b-24)

Luke 11:47 and 48 is another helpful passage regarding degrees of punishment in the hereafter.

Indeed...

Luke

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.​

Sin is sin, however sin's consequences are varied.​

Here Jesus makes it personal, on the back of the individual.​

Personally I doubt if I could ever vote again for a Democrat (used to be a JFK dem) since the "right" for a woman to "choose" is now a supported Dem platform item.​

In 1973 no one was given a choice, the Supreme Court chose abortion for all of us.​

However if we vote for abortionists and/or put our stamp of approval on abortion then whatever the coming consequence of the SCOTUS decision will fall upon our individual backs as well unless we repent of the shedding of innocent blood.​

God is able to judge though the guilty and the innocent stand together side by side.​

Luke 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.​

Look at the consequence of Sodom and Gomorrah's sin.​

But God did see to it that His own (Lot and family) were taken away and out of the place of judgement before the rain of destruction.​

HankD​

 

[Yeshua1]

Who refused to call abortion a great sin? I just said it doesn't dwarf other sins.



Who hasn't called a perverse lifestyle wicked.? The perverse lifestyle is wicked. There. How was that? It's as wicked as the perversly justified wickedness stamped to be Godly and coming out of the church is.



Are you calling the perverse lifestyle of the glutton, the gossip, the slanderer, the immodest dresser out? Or are you remaining silent and promoting them to keep sinning?



Based upon your penchant to only see this one sin and ignoring others and a tendency of those in the church to ignore their own wickedness and go so far as to justify it as Godly, I would tend to agree with you that the church doesn't view sin as it should.

Do you know ANY within the church that condones ane states that it is ok for clerby and laity to be adulterers/murders/rapist etc?

I DON"T

But do see many within church trying to get this lifestyle as being now legit and acceptable!

You just seem to have this crusade against getting that particular sin labeled as sin, as that somehow is not "Showing love of Christ!"

 

[Yeshua1]

Indeed...

Luke

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.​

Sin is sin, however sin's consequences are varied.​

Here Jesus makes it personal, on the back of the individual.​

Personally I doubt if I could ever vote again for a Democrat (used to be a JFK dem) since the "right" for a woman to "choose" is now a supported Dem platform item.​

In 1973 no one was given a choice, the Supreme Court chose abortion for all of us.​

However if we vote for abortionists and/or put our stamp of approval on abortion then whatever the coming consequence of the SCOTUS decision will fall upon our individual backs as well unless we repent of the shedding of innocent blood.​

God is able to judge though the guilty and the innocent stand together side by side.​

Luke 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.​

Look at the consequence of Sodom and Gomorrah's sin.​

But God did see to it that His own (Lot and family) were taken away and out of the place of judgement before the rain of destruction.​

HankD​

Also, have you noticed that when churches/Christians approve borh abortion and homosexuality, that eventually their views on bible, salvation, etc tend to go by the way side also?

 

[convicted1]

Also, have you noticed that when churches/Christians approve borh abortion and homosexuality, that eventually their views on bible, salvation, etc tend to go by the way side also?

By who? The liberals? Yes. No truly converted CHRISTian condones either abortion or homosexuality. In the end , the homosexual and the unrepentatant(sp?) heterosexual whoremonger end up in the same place...hell. The woman who commits five abortions goes to hell the same as the woman who raised fifteen kids and failed to repent and was saved.

 

[Zaac]

Do you know ANY within the church that condones ane states that it is ok for clerby and laity to be adulterers/murders/rapist etc?

I DON"T

But do see many within church trying to get this lifestyle as being now legit and acceptable!

You just seem to have this crusade against getting that particular sin labeled as sin, as that somehow is not "Showing love of Christ!"

I know plenty that condone not showing Godly love for their neighbors. I know plenty that condone gluttony, and gossip, and slander, and immodest dress. I know plenty that condone heterosexual lust.

Why would I be on a crusade to not call sin behavior that God calls sin? You're the one on a crusade to make it into the worst sin of all sins. Your Bible apparently has one subject in it and its homosexuality.

 

[saturneptune]

I know plenty that condone not showing Godly love for their neighbors. I know plenty that condone gluttony, and gossip, and slander, and immodest dress. I know plenty that condone heterosexual lust.

Why would I be on a crusade to not call sin behavior that God calls sin? You're the one on a crusade to make it into the worst sin of all sins. Your Bible apparently has one subject in it and its homosexuality.

One more comment like that and I will hit you with my purse.

 

[convicted1]

One more comment like that and I will hit you with my purse.

Which one? The pink, giraffe print, zebra, teal with rhinestones(now that one would HURT), or the red one with the cross? Fess up...

 

[saturneptune]

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