Six Bombshell Revelations from Fauci's Emails

[Wingman68]

I'm not here to seek the favour of humans. Nobody likes it when they are being told their worldview is wrong. Some will reflect and change. Others will keep being unwitting (or witting) evangelists of disinformation.

Just the kind of reply leftists always give. They remain here to ‘help’ others see the error of their ways, & are typically verbose in doing so. They sway no one, but they love to hear themselves, ad nauseam, if I might borrow a phrase. They dissect minutia so people will see how superior they are. What people truly see is how superior a leftist thinks he is. Look at the people who take apart posts piece by piece in their responses, & you’ll see a leftist. Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Just the kind of reply leftists always give. They remain here to ‘help’ others see the error of their ways, & are typically verbose in doing so. They sway no one, but they love to hear themselves, ad nauseam, if I might borrow a phrase. They dissect minutia so people will see how superior they are. What people truly see is how superior a leftist thinks he is. Look at the people who take apart posts piece by piece in their responses, & you’ll see a leftist. Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

I plead guilty to trying to address all the different points people make in their posts. Do you want me to point out all the other times people do this on this forum so you can call them leftist as well?

I have faith that people when presented with good information and a logical argument are able think critically and potentially change their views. At the least they will think more carefully about what they post in the future and maybe fact check things a bit first before they post something that makes themselves look stupid. Maybe my faith is misplaced but I will continue to believe that to be true.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

That quote was from March 8 2020.

At that time there were only 500 confirmed cases of covid19 in the US then and there was a mask shortage for health care workers. So yes, the average person walking on the street should not have been wearing masks at that time. Once the case numbers started sky rocketing and the mask availability no longer a problem, it made sense to then recommend everyone wear masks because of the next point.

It is still true that surgical masks do not provide the protection that people think it does because as I have said over and over again, it provides some protection for everyone else from the wearer but very little protection for the wearer because that is what they were designed to do. This is still true from what we know now.

The border had already been closed to China travel for more than a month. Early reaction is critical to slowing spread. Furthermore, anyone who knows "how things work" knows that it is much easier to relax measures rather than tighten them.

But Fauci even arrogantly doubled down when the interviewer asked him if he was certain. If Fauci was trying to discourage the public from mask usage throughout the pandemic, he said the right thing.

If he was only trying to discourage mask usage temporarily, he failed miserably. He could have easily and readily added that he had no reliable data, that he was awaiting double-blind studies, as he did for HCQ despite all of the success stories.

If the goal was to correct his arrogant misrepresentation, the right thing to do would have been to step down permanently and allow someone else to fill the gap, someone who still had sufficient credibility.

Fauci rightly has zero credibility, except with sycophants, gullible types, and those with more nefarious aims.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I agree I have trouble keeping track of all the conspiracies out there. I'm not sure how you guys do it, changing your understanding of history and the world on a day to day basis.

So covid19 was developed in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, no wait it was in Anthony Fauci's basement, sorry I meant Obama's deep state laboratory in his last 11 days in office. Either way after releasing the virus "they" also had the vaccine ready about a year later to kill all the remaining survivors with blood clots or brain haemorrhages, but then that would make tracking them or controlling their thoughts with nanobots a bit redundant. How does 5G fit in again? Oh right it was Bill Gates who developed covid19 and the 5G network controlling people. But wait, I thought covid was all a hoax made up by the media and it is just a flu. So why did "they" need to develop something in the deep state lab that was just like all the other coronaviruses that we already have?

Yeah you are right, I am really ignorant when it comes to making sense of the world of those who believe in conspiracy theories.

LOL. Yes, your admission speaks volumes of personal incompetence, unable to follow a rather simple explanation, yet remarkably able to resort to citing and twisting unrelated ideas. Your ridiculous post outdoes what you accuse Tucker Carlson of by many magnitudes. Well done.

Again, the best thing to do is follow the suggestion to stick to medicine.

 

[Reformed1689]

Surgical masks don't protect the wearer but provides some protection for others from the wearer. That is still true.

This is just dumb. If it can pass in one way it can pass the other way too.

 

[Gold Dragon]

LOL. Yes, your admission speaks volumes of personal incompetence, unable to follow a rather simple explanation, yet remarkably able to resort to citing and twisting unrelated ideas. Your ridiculous post outdoes what you accuse Tucker Carlson of by many magnitudes. Well done.

Again, the best thing to do is follow the suggestion to stick to medicine.

I knew what you were saying. I chose to ignore it because it loses the forest in the trees when you go to that lengths about a ridiculous conspiracy theory that was poorly thought out to begin with. Which is why I posted my post. People who believe in conspiracy theories don’t actually care about the internal consistencies of all the crazy theories they believe in. Otherwise they would never believe them.

 

[Gold Dragon]

This is just dumb. If it can pass in one way it can pass the other way too.

I know you are not interested in the science since I have shown you multiple times and you choose to ignore it.

But for those who care, it is true that things the size of a virus or a very small droplet carrying virus can get both in and out of a surgical mask equally easily, especially through the sides and gaps.

But surgical masks are very effective at blocking large droplets that are produced immediately by a cough or sneeze that then become smaller droplets. Which is what they were designed to do for surgeons to keep from contaminating their surgical field. That protection is far from perfect but when large swaths of the population use those masks and then combine them with other public health measures like distancing, isolating yourself when sick, early testing, etc you have a very effective low cost way to reduce the probability of infection and manage a pandemic.

Having a multilayered strategy for managing risk is known as the Swiss cheese model and used conceptually for many things including air plane safety, reducing medical errors, bank security, defending against hackers and pandemic control.

The Swiss Cheese Model of Pandemic Defense

Swiss cheese model - Wikipedia

 

[JonC]

This is just dumb. If it can pass in one way it can pass the other way too.

The idea is masks can help droplets from becoming aerosols. That is, masks can stop larger droplets (like when a person sneezes, or talks) but not smaller droplets.

Think of it this way, a fence around a tennis court will stop a tennis ball but not a golf ball.

The principle is not to stop COVID but to provide a preventive measure (stop the big stuff to help minimize exposure).

 

[Gold Dragon]

The border had already been closed to China travel for more than a month. Early reaction is critical to slowing spread. Furthermore, anyone who knows "how things work" knows that it is much easier to relax measures rather than tighten them.

I'm glad you see the importance of mask wearing and I'm sure you were advocating for it back in March 2020 and were helping all those opposed to mask wearing to see its importance.

But Fauci even arrogantly doubled down when the interviewer asked him if he was certain.

A few things I'm sure everyone has forgotten now. But back in March 8 2020, Italy had 7000 positive cases, the US had 500. We had 1 case of known asymptomatic spread of covid19 in the world. The mask and PPE shortage was so dire that two days later the CDC loosened requirements for staff working with coronavirus patients to only have surgical masks and no gowns and required N95 and gowns only for high risk procedures that generated aerosols.

https://www.chesco.org/DocumentCenter/View/54484/PPE-Summary-3-31-20

Hospitals are already starting to run out of respirator masks crucial for coronavirus protection | Live Science

US hospitals are already starting to run out of respirator masks crucial for coronavirus protection

The global N95 mask shortages are being made worse by anxious civilians hoarding medical supplies.

Hospitals around the United States are preparing to treat an influx of patients with the highly infectious new coronavirus — and many health care providers are already beginning to run short on crucial respirator masks, The New York Times reported yesterday (March 9).

Several hospitals the Times spoke to said they have little more than a month's supply of respirator masks left, and that restocking the crucial masks has proven difficult as global cases of the new coronavirus, also called SARS-CoV-2, continue to climb daily.

Imagine Fauci told everyone at that time to wear a mask.

If Fauci was trying to discourage the public from mask usage throughout the pandemic, he said the right thing.

Nobody who was actually listening to Fauci was discouraged from wearing a mask later because of what he said earlier when the situation was completely different. They understood it was an evolving situation and that is why plenty of people wore masks. The ones who didn't were people who wouldn't listen to Fauci anyway.

If he was only trying to discourage mask usage temporarily, he failed miserably. He could have easily and readily added that he had no reliable data, that he was awaiting double-blind studies,

It is kinda hard to blind someone to wearing a mask. There are no double blind studies for mask wearing.

And if you read Fauci's quote in context, he is saying that his recommendation is
1) for "right now" meaning it can change
2) masks do offer protection by blocking droplets but it is not the protection people think (meaning it is more to protect other people from the wearer)
3) that recommending them would lead to shortages for people who needed them right then

So if he advised at that time for everyone to get masks, you would have hundreds of millions of people hoarding masks that did not have the virus and none available for sick people and health care workers.

Outdated Fauci Video on Face Masks Shared Out of Context - FactCheck.org

LaPook, March 8: There’s a lot of confusion among people, and misinformation, surrounding face masks. Can you discuss that?

Fauci: The masks are important for someone who’s infected to prevent them from infecting someone else… Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks.

LaPook: You’re sure of it? Because people are listening really closely to this.

Fauci: …There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.

LaPook: And can you get some schmutz, sort of staying inside there?

Fauci: Of course, of course. But, when you think masks, you should think of health care providers needing them and people who are ill. The people who, when you look at the films of foreign countries and you see 85% of the people wearing masks — that’s fine, that’s fine. I’m not against it. If you want to do it, that’s fine.

LaPook: But it can lead to a shortage of masks?

Fauci: Exactly, that’s the point. It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it.

Fauci rightly has zero credibility, except with sycophants, gullible types, and those with more nefarious aims.

I expect Fauci to continue to make statements based on sound scientific reasoning available at that time, and be a thorn in the side against those who base their worldview on politics rather than facts and the truth.

 

[Gold Dragon]

The Swiss Cheese Model of Pandemic Defense

Here is a link not behind a paywall

The Swiss cheese model of Covid-19 defence: What it means, how it works

Lately, in the ongoing conversation about how to defeat coronavirus, experts have referred to the “Swiss cheese model” of pandemic defence. The metaphor is easy enough to grasp: multiple layers of protection, imagined as cheese slices, block the spread of the new coronavirus, Sars-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19. No one layer is perfect; each has holes, and when the holes align the risk of infection increases. But several layers combined – social distancing, plus masks, plus hand-washing, plus testing and tracing, plus ventilation, plus government messaging – significantly reduce the overall risk. Vaccination will add one more protective layer.

“Pretty soon you’ve created an impenetrable barrier, and you really can quench the transmission of the virus,” says Julie Gerberding, an American medic who is chief patient officer at the US pharmaceutical company Merck. “But it requires all of those things, not just one of those things... I think that’s what our population is having trouble getting their head around. We want to believe that there is going to come this magic day when suddenly 300 million doses of vaccine will be available, and we can go back to work, and things will return to normal. That is absolutely not going to happen fast.”

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

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It is kinda hard to blind someone to wearing a mask. There are no double blind studies for mask wearing.
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I expect Fauci to continue to make statements based on sound scientific reasoning available at that time, and be a thorn in the side against those who base their worldview on politics rather than facts and the truth.

LOL. The point is right there in plain sight, but perhaps it is hard for the gullible to grasp reality. Fauci’s insistence on accepting only double-blind studies means he must reject all mask studies just as he rejected the HCQ success reports.

The arrogance he displays in his arbitrary pontifications bolstered by ignorance disqualifies him as head of anything. Fauci simply cannot be trusted, should not be trusted.

While a pandemic was growing, he spoke out against measures that might have significantly decreased the danger and saved lives, ensuring that the spread would be even more devastating, more catastrophic. Fauci deserves a Cuomo Award—the one for official mass murderer.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I knew what you were saying. I chose to ignore it because it loses the forest in the trees when you go to that lengths about a ridiculous conspiracy theory that was poorly thought out to begin with. Which is why I posted my post. People who believe in conspiracy theories don’t actually care about the internal consistencies of all the crazy theories they believe in. Otherwise they would never believe them.

Chose to ignore it? No, that is not what your post did at all. Rather it mocked the idea that there could ever be a conspiracy, because some theories may not be justified. Such willful blindness calls for removing the word conspiracy from your dictionary, or at least your vocabulary.

Meanwhile, the Communist Chinese regime continues to conspire in their coverup after first conspiring to hide the coming pandemic, which they in effect conspired to perpetrate with the help of the WHO. They had the help of the Dem Progressive Left & their MSM as well to ensure the US would be very hard hit.

But the Dem Progressive Left with the help of their MSM was already well-practiced in carrying out conspiracy with a massive one, or several overlapping ones, against the Trump campaign and administration, infamously accusing of what they are guilty, as is their wont.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Meanwhile, from an Australian perspective...

Fauci funded 'bat-human interface' research in China to avoid an outbreak in the US

 

[Reformed1689]

The idea is masks can help droplets from becoming aerosols. That is, masks can stop larger droplets (like when a person sneezes, or talks) but not smaller droplets.

Think of it this way, a fence around a tennis court will stop a tennis ball but not a golf ball.

The principle is not to stop COVID but to provide a preventive measure (stop the big stuff to help minimize exposure).

And staying home if you are sick accomplishes the same feat.

 

[Reformed1689]

I know you are not interested in the science since I have shown you multiple times and you choose to ignore it.

But for those who care, it is true that things the size of a virus or a very small droplet carrying virus can get both in and out of a surgical mask equally easily, especially through the sides and gaps.

But surgical masks are very effective at blocking large droplets that are produced immediately by a cough or sneeze that then become smaller droplets. Which is what they were designed to do for surgeons to keep from contaminating their surgical field. That protection is far from perfect but when large swaths of the population use those masks and then combine them with other public health measures like distancing, isolating yourself when sick, early testing, etc you have a very effective low cost way to reduce the probability of infection and manage a pandemic.

Having a multilayered strategy for managing risk is known as the Swiss cheese model and used conceptually for many things including air plane safety, reducing medical errors, bank security, defending against hackers and pandemic control.

The Swiss Cheese Model of Pandemic Defense

Swiss cheese model - Wikipedia

If anything you ignored my post. WHY do the states with mask mandates have the largest outbreaks?

 

[JonC]

And staying home if you are sick accomplishes the same feat.

It does. As far as I know people with COVID are not being asked to wear masks when they are at home.

But there is a concern of people being contagious before they realize they are sick. This happens with just about any respiratory virus (people think they may have an issue with allergies, or perhaps just not feeling good, etc.) when in fact they have a virus that can be transmitted.

Wearing masks was never intended, to my knowledge, to be a way for people who know they are sick and contagious to mingle with the public.

 

[Revmitchell]

It does. As far as I know people with COVID are not being asked to wear masks when they are at home.

But there is a concern of people being contagious before they realize they are sick. This happens with just about any respiratory virus (people think they may have an issue with allergies, or perhaps just not feeling good, etc.) when in fact they have a virus that can be transmitted.

Wearing masks was never intended, to my knowledge, to be a way for people who know they are sick and contagious to mingle with the public.

then if you are afraid of getting sick from those kinds of people……stay home

 

[Reformed1689]

This happens with just about any respiratory virus (people think they may have an issue with allergies, or perhaps just not feeling good, etc.) when in fact they have a virus that can be transmitted.

And that's the problem. People who are sick, are not staying home. That's an education problem. But even still, with all of this, we have a death rate of less than 2%. None of these mandates were necessary. None of them.

 

[JonC]

then if you are afraid of getting sick from those kinds of people……stay home

I'm not afraid of getting sick. I have been vaccinated.

That said, in our nation men have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. One person is not permitted to exercise his or her right at the expense of others.

Consider how God told Israel to deal with lepers. God did not tell the lepers they were free to mingle in public, that the public should stay home.

 

[JonC]

And that's the problem. People who are sick, are not staying home. That's an education problem. But even still, with all of this, we have a death rate of less than 2%. None of these mandates were necessary. None of them.

Problem is people do not know they are contagious NOT because of a lack of education but because of biology (people are often contagious prior to exhibiting symptoms recognizable to the disease.