Six Bombshell Revelations from Fauci's Emails

[JonC]

Ok, now you have me confused. WHAT are yousaying here?

I am saying if you are correct and asymptomatic people cannot spread COVID then if they spread COVID it is due to neglect on their part and they should be held accountable.

We have a church friend who visited family out of state. She came back and a few days later was told her family had COVID (they were asymptomatic when she was there). Two days later she had "allgeries", but her husband (who did not go out of town) died of COVID.

Since her family must have lied about being asymptomatic (she drove and did not engage other people...they were a bit paranoid) they should be charged with simple assault and she should be charged with killing her husband.

 

[Reformed1689]

I am saying if you are correct and asymptomatic people cannot spread COVID then if they spread COVID it is due to neglect on their part and they should be held accountable.

We have a church friend who visited family out of state. She came back and a few days later was told her family had COVID (they were asymptomatic when she was there). Two days later she had "allgeries", but her husband (who did not go out of town) died of COVID.

Since her family must have lied about being asymptomatic (she drove and did not engage other people...they were a bit paranoid) they should be charged with simple assault and she should be charged with killing her husband.

That is an extreme, anecdotal, case. And it has nothing to do with engaging or not engaging with others. If you are around people, you can get it from anywhere.

 

[JonC]

That is an extreme, anecdotal, case. And it has nothing to do with engaging or not engaging with others. If you are around people, you can get it from anywhere.

It is extreme, but it is also true.

Your hypothesis is COVID only spreads by people who have the virus and have become symptomatic (you cannot catch it from a COVID positive person who does not suffer symptoms).

That would make COVID very unique (you can spread the flu while asymptomatic, but are more contagious once symptoms appear).

Why do you suspect COVID does not work like other respiratory viruses?

With SARS-CoV-2 asymptomatic transmission was estimated to account for almost half of the SARS cases.

What evidence do you have to suggest COVID-19 transmits so differently?

 

[Reynolds]

Why should they???? There is absolutely no link to vaccibes and autism (nothing scientific, just conspiracy theories....so far).

It would be a waste of money and time. They also did not do a double blind vaccine study for adult hair loss.

There is case upon case of normal kids getting vaccine and literally within 24 hours cognitive abilities totally change and they develop autism.
There is plenty of inks between autism and vaccines. The manufacturers even list neurological damage as a possible side effect. There is no official link because govt will not do the studies.

People who were taking Levaquin were suffering torn Achilles tendons. Start taking Levaquin and Achilles tears. That went on for many years. There is no reason why Levaquin should cause A.T. rupture. Now, it carries a black box warning.

Healthy normal kid gets vaccine. Next day stops talking. Never normal again. This happens time and again. Vaccine supposedly has nothing to do with it. You ever watched the countless people tell stories about their normal kid getting vaccine and next day kid is no longer normal? It is a cover up.
My friends daughter was straight A student taking all accelerated classes in 11th grade. Took HPV vaccine and immediately became severe learning disability and graduated in Special Education. Next day she was dumb as a box of rocks.
Look at the HPV vaccine and the documented, undeniable, cases of mental injury to teenagers. You telling me the same thing is not happening to babies and 5 year olds? 4 year old normal. Normal vocabulary. Gets vaccines and within 48 hrs dumb as a brick. Nah vaccines had nothing to do with that.

 

[Reynolds]

It is extreme, but it is also true.

Your hypothesis is COVID only spreads by people who have the virus and have become symptomatic (you cannot catch it from a COVID positive person who does not suffer symptoms).

That would make COVID very unique (you can spread the flu while asymptomatic, but are more contagious once symptoms appear).

Why do you suspect COVID does not work like other respiratory viruses?

With SARS-CoV-2 asymptomatic transmission was estimated to account for almost half of the SARS cases.

What evidence do you have to suggest COVID-19 transmits so differently?

Cause I heard Faucci say asymptomatic people couldn't spread it.

 

[Gold Dragon]

I and the nurses under my care have administered over 10,000 vaccines to my patients. I have never seen what Reynolds describes in any of my patients or read about it in any papers.

If you are interested in looking at the countless studies showing there is no link between vaccines and autism, here is a starting point. 10 different studies with over a million children studied in a meta-analysis, none showed a link.

Vaccines are not associated with autism: An evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies - ScienceDirect

Only the one study by Andrew Wakefield showed any link and was because he committed fraud in his paper for financial gain as he was a patent holder for a competitor to the MMR vaccine. His fraudulent study started the antivax movement which is still defrauding and harming millions of people today unfortunately.

Wakefield’s article linking MMR vaccine and autism was fraudulent

 

[Gold Dragon]

If anything you ignored my post. WHY do the states with mask mandates have the largest outbreaks?

I haven’t looked at the numbers to see if this is true, but if it is, the reason is very simple.

You have the causality reversed. The mask mandates were put in place because there were high numbers of cases.

 

[Reformed1689]

It is extreme, but it is also true.

Your hypothesis is COVID only spreads by people who have the virus and have become symptomatic (you cannot catch it from a COVID positive person who does not suffer symptoms).

That would make COVID very unique (you can spread the flu while asymptomatic, but are more contagious once symptoms appear).

Why do you suspect COVID does not work like other respiratory viruses?

With SARS-CoV-2 asymptomatic transmission was estimated to account for almost half of the SARS cases.

What evidence do you have to suggest COVID-19 transmits so differently?

Because I have read the science. Analysis of Asymptomatic and Presymptomatic Transmission in SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak, Germany, 2020

 

[Reformed1689]

I haven’t looked at the numbers to see if this is true, but if it is, the reason is very simple.

You have the causality reversed. The mask mandates were put in place because there were high numbers of cases.

No, these outbreaks were AFTER the mandates, not before.

 

[Gold Dragon]

No, these outbreaks were AFTER the mandates, not before.

show me the numbers

 

[Reformed1689]

show me the numbers

The data show that mask mandates have not stemmed the surge. From October 1 through December 13, the U.S. saw an increase of 8.8 million confirmed COVID-19 cases.10
USAfacts.org, “U.S. Coronavirus Cases and Deaths,” US COVID-19 cases and deaths by state (accessed December 15, 2020).
Of the 100 counties with the most confirmed cases during this period, 97 had either a county-level mask mandate, a state-level mandate, or both.11
The results reported in this Backgrounder are virtually identical to those found when running the same analysis from October to mid-November, closer to the beginning of the current surge.
Chart 1 shows that, among this group of 97 counties, 87 began their mandate before October. (See Appendix Table 1 for a complete list of the counties.) In the remaining 10 counties, five issued their mask mandate in October, and five did so in November. However, several of the mandates that went into effect in either October or November actually tightened existing mask requirements.12


Mask Mandates: Do They Work? Are There Better Ways to Control COVID-19 Outbreaks?

 

[Gold Dragon]

Because I have read the science. Analysis of Asymptomatic and Presymptomatic Transmission in SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak, Germany, 2020

This study shows that 75% of the cases were acquired from presymptomatic sources who were asymptomatic at the time they transmitted covid19. A great study to show you are wrong.

 

[Reformed1689]

This study shows that 75% of the cases were acquired from presymptomatic sources who were asymptomatic at the time they transmitted covid19. A great study to show you are wrong.

In this cluster of COVID-19 cases, little to no transmission occurred from asymptomatic case-patients.

 

[Gold Dragon]

In this cluster of COVID-19 cases, little to no transmission occurred from asymptomatic case-patients.

Asymptomatic case patients are those that remain asymptomatic and never become symptomatic.

Presymptomatic patients are asymptomatic for a while, often while they are infectious, and later become symptomatic.

 

[Gold Dragon]

The data show that mask mandates have not stemmed the surge. From October 1 through December 13, the U.S. saw an increase of 8.8 million confirmed COVID-19 cases.10
USAfacts.org, “U.S. Coronavirus Cases and Deaths,” US COVID-19 cases and deaths by state (accessed December 15, 2020).
Of the 100 counties with the most confirmed cases during this period, 97 had either a county-level mask mandate, a state-level mandate, or both.11
The results reported in this Backgrounder are virtually identical to those found when running the same analysis from October to mid-November, closer to the beginning of the current surge.
Chart 1 shows that, among this group of 97 counties, 87 began their mandate before October. (See Appendix Table 1 for a complete list of the counties.) In the remaining 10 counties, five issued their mask mandate in October, and five did so in November. However, several of the mandates that went into effect in either October or November actually tightened existing mask requirements.12


Mask Mandates: Do They Work? Are There Better Ways to Control COVID-19 Outbreaks?

I won’t go into all the states but here is the chart for NY from your link above.

New York coronavirus cases and deaths

The mask mandate was put in place April 15, 2020. I’m sure other factors were at play as well but the case drop and maintainence of that drop for 7 months immediately after the mask mandate is impressive.

 

[Gold Dragon]

The data show that mask mandates have not stemmed the surge. From October 1 through December 13, the U.S. saw an increase of 8.8 million confirmed COVID-19 cases.10
USAfacts.org, “U.S. Coronavirus Cases and Deaths,” US COVID-19 cases and deaths by state (accessed December 15, 2020).
Of the 100 counties with the most confirmed cases during this period, 97 had either a county-level mask mandate, a state-level mandate, or both.11
The results reported in this Backgrounder are virtually identical to those found when running the same analysis from October to mid-November, closer to the beginning of the current surge.
Chart 1 shows that, among this group of 97 counties, 87 began their mandate before October. (See Appendix Table 1 for a complete list of the counties.) In the remaining 10 counties, five issued their mask mandate in October, and five did so in November. However, several of the mandates that went into effect in either October or November actually tightened existing mask requirements.12


Mask Mandates: Do They Work? Are There Better Ways to Control COVID-19 Outbreaks?

Here are a couple of studies that break down the actual effect of mask mandates on a county by county basis. First one from CDC in Kansas. Second one from Vanderbilt in Tennessee. Unsurprisingly they say what anyone not trying to spin things politically would say about the effectiveness of mask mandates.

Trends in County-Level COVID-19 Incidence in Counties With ....

Tennessee Areas Without Mask Requirements Have Higher Death Toll Per Capita | Department of Health Policy

 

[Gold Dragon]

LOL. The point is right there in plain sight, but perhaps it is hard for the gullible to grasp reality. Fauci’s insistence on accepting only double-blind studies means he must reject all mask studies just as he rejected the HCQ success reports.

I guess you probably have never had to learn about scientific study design which is why you make statements like this.

When you want to study something, you use the best study design that minimizes bias. For individual interventions like medications and mask wearing that is the RCT. You can have randomized control trials that are unblinded but of course they are inferior to blinded studies because blinding removes some biases. Single blinding is when either the patient or the examiner don’t know whether the patient had the intervention or not. Double means both don’t know. However blinding is not always possible like in mask studies.

But even an unblinded RCT is considered higher level of evidence than things like case control or cohort studies which look at data after the fact (for case control) or selected clinically (in cohort studies) because the actual selection process between the two groups is rife with bias in those types of studies which by definition are also unblinded.

But those types of studies are still considered a tier above case series and anecdote which are considered the lowest level of medical evidence.


The evidence pyramid on the following paper illustrates how different types of studies are viewed by those who read scientific papers.

LibGuides: Evidence-Based Practice: Levels of Evidence and Study Designs

For HCQ, the only studies that showed potential benefit were the occasional lower level studies that are very prone to bias. Once you got into the higher level studies designed to minimize bias, it showed no effect or negative effect.

This is quite a common pattern in scientific research but of course in this case it is really a global conspiracy against Trump with laboratories all around the world in collusion because they hate Trump or deep state actors manipulating the data. Because Trump couldn’t possibly wrong about something when he made absolute scientific claims before any of the scientific studies were done.

 

[JonC]

There is case upon case of normal kids getting vaccine and literally within 24 hours cognitive abilities totally change and they develop autism.
There is plenty of inks between autism and vaccines. The manufacturers even list neurological damage as a possible side effect. There is no official link because govt will not do the studies.

People who were taking Levaquin were suffering torn Achilles tendons. Start taking Levaquin and Achilles tears. That went on for many years. There is no reason why Levaquin should cause A.T. rupture. Now, it carries a black box warning.

Healthy normal kid gets vaccine. Next day stops talking. Never normal again. This happens time and again. Vaccine supposedly has nothing to do with it. You ever watched the countless people tell stories about their normal kid getting vaccine and next day kid is no longer normal? It is a cover up.
My friends daughter was straight A student taking all accelerated classes in 11th grade. Took HPV vaccine and immediately became severe learning disability and graduated in Special Education. Next day she was dumb as a box of rocks.
Look at the HPV vaccine and the documented, undeniable, cases of mental injury to teenagers. You telling me the same thing is not happening to babies and 5 year olds? 4 year old normal. Normal vocabulary. Gets vaccines and within 48 hrs dumb as a brick. Nah vaccines had nothing to do with that.

We all know vaccines have risks. But do you have even one case where a vaccine is linked to autism?

More importantly, since we are dealing with COVID vaccines, do you have even one example of a mRNA vacvine having severe consequences to a child?

No, you do not. They are NOT approved for children. They are a typeof vaccine which thus far have never been used on children.

That is why I refer to conspiracy. There is a huge jump made in the claims.

AND there are huge inconsistencies in your argument here. You like to talk percentages until it is not in your favor.

What percent of children developed autism after taking a vaccine? (0%). What percent leveloped severe issues? What percent of children have developed any negative symptoms after taking a mRNA vaccine? (0%).

You and @Reformed1689 argue numbers, that the chances of COVID being fatal is exaggerated- chances are we will be fine. We'll, chances are that the vaccine is beneficial without ladting negative effects as well.

I understand your concerns, but you are not being consistent.

 

[JonC]

Because I have read the science. Analysis of Asymptomatic and Presymptomatic Transmission in SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak, Germany, 2020

...you read "the science"?

I never got that phrase. Follow "the science". A bit political, don't you think?

The report of asymptomatic spread (in Singapore) was also "the science".

 

[JonC]

Cause I heard Faucci say asymptomatic people couldn't spread it.

I don't trust Faucci....but you go right ahead. Each of us have to decide who to trust (good luck with your choice...but perhaps you should consider Faucci's track record).