Socialist : an insult ?

[Matt Black]

Yes, you are indeed being dismissive. Suspicion confirmed.

 

[Revmitchell]

Yes, you are indeed being dismissive. Suspicion confirmed.

Really? Since you have dismissed every bit of factual evidence of Obama's marxism and reached a conclusion with no facts only personal anecdotes then yes my suspicion is confirmed you have an agenda.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Really? Since you have dismissed every bit of factual evidence of Obama's marxism and reached a conclusion with no facts only personal anecdotes then yes my suspicion is confirmed you have an agenda.

You have never given any 'factual evidence.' Please supply some.

 

[Matt Black]

OK, then, Rev Mitchell: please supply evidence that Obama is a Marxist as distinct from a social democrat or liberal.

 

[Jim1999]

My opinion is that if a man wore a red tie he would be a marxist in Rev. Mitchell's eyes.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Magnetic Poles]

OK, then, Rev Mitchell: please supply evidence that Obama is a Marxist as distinct from a social democrat or liberal.

To Mitch, it's all the same. I doubt he has ever read Marx, unless it was Groucho.

 

[alatide]

I have never regarded the term "socialists" or "communists" as an insult. If I ever refer to them as that, then that's what they are. To me there is no difference between the two. What it does is encourages people to be lazier. It gets people in the type of mindset thinking, "I'm not going to get anymore if I produce more, so what's the point of working harder?" That's not saying that American's are harder working than the French or the British, because we have a system here called "welfare" that people abuse.

While I know there are people in France who don't totally agree with the system of government, there are those who disagree with it. The ones who allow their government to get out of control end up paying the price. Our nation has elected a leader that believes it is okay to kill innocent newborn babies, he believes in giving things to people that they don't deserve & stealing from the pockets who have earned what they worked for, & he believes that the government can make better decisions for people than the individual can. We are currently paying the price for that decision.

People need to be free from government dependence. The fewer people that mooch off the government, the government will spend fewer tax payer dollars, & which means everyone will have to pay fewer taxes. I'm not a wealthy person by any means. I believe in keeping what I work so hard to get. I don't believe that anyone or the government has the right to dip their hands into my pockets & steal what is rightfully mine. I hope the people in France feel the same way about that. If the government is saying that they have to raise taxes so everyone will benefit, I can garauntee you that everyone is not benefitting equally. That means that some people are being taxed more than others, or that some people aren't entitled to some of the benefits that is being promoted by the government.

By the way, I try not to over use the term, "un-American", because I believe that everyone craves or yearns freedom. I'm sure that there are people in Europe who don't want to lose their freedom(s) that they have. I prefer to use the term "Patriotic". A patriot is not always American. A patriot is one who loves their country. I'm sure you love your nation as much as I love mine (at least I hope you would). That makes you a patriot to your country. At some point if you decide you want to seek out a better way of life & move to the United States, by all means feel free to do so. Just do it legally; Don't do it the way most people from Mexico do it.

Sorry but all of you who equate socialism with communism are simply wrong. To do so is to say that some of America's strongest allies who have introduced some socialistic ideas like the UK are the same as Communist China or the former soviet Union. They are not the same thing. Quit spreading untruthes about this unless you're willing to completely cut us off from our friends.

 

[OldRegular]

Sorry but all of you who equate socialism with communism are simply wrong. To do so is to say that some of America's strongest allies who have introduced some socialistic ideas like the UK are the same as Communist China or the former soviet Union. They are not the same thing. Quit spreading untruthes about this unless you're willing to completely cut us off from our friends.

alatide
You apparently missed the earlier post!

The following is from a column by Holmes Alexander written many years ago.

Conservatism has a lot to do with free enterprise, little to do with Big Business. Conservatism is a discipline, and thus the enemy of permissiveness It is law-and-order, but not repression. It is good manners and social responsibility, but it has few rules — stops short of maudlin pity for the poor and the minorities. It regards Communism as an unmitigated evil, calls Fascism its “illegitimate” brother, and treats Socialism as an obnoxious poor relation of both.

 

[Spear]

My opinion is that if a man wore a red tie he would be a marxist in Rev. Mitchell's eyes.

Cheers,

Jim

It was a funny answer, thanks !

:laugh:

 

[BigBossman]

Sorry but all of you who equate socialism with communism are simply wrong. To do so is to say that some of America's strongest allies who have introduced some socialistic ideas like the UK are the same as Communist China or the former soviet Union. They are not the same thing. Quit spreading untruthes about this unless you're willing to completely cut us off from our friends.

Socialism is far left. Communism is about as far left as you can go on the political spectrum. While there is a slight difference, they are practically the same. That's just like comparing facisists & communists. They are different slightly in the fact that a facist is slightly more conservative than a communist. But that's not saying much. The truth is both forms of government are over bearing on the people they govern.

 

[alatide]

I never said any such thing. It can be amended and that would at least be honest but libbies do not like that process so they lie about the constitution and work to subvert it my getting activist judges on the bench.

Cons lie about "libbies."

 

[Nonsequitur]

And you have yet to say if you have ever read Marx. Show us your knowledge of socialism

Why? Are you a teacher of Marxism/Socialism? How do you know so much about Marx and Socialism ? Are you going to grade him on what you know or what you practice? If he does show you his knowledge on the subject, how do you know if he is wrong or right?

 

[Spear]

Why? Are you a teacher of Marxism/Socialism? How do you know so much about Marx and Socialism ? Are you going to grade him on what you know or what you practice? If he does show you his knowledge on the subject, how do you know if he is wrong or right?

Mc Carthism spotted ?

What are YOU saying ? Crabtownboy wonders and asks if some mentioned people know what they're talking about, and really understand the differences, or the concepts of these political schemes.
Is it unfair to ask people some explanation, some details ?

Can't you imagine one second that some could have a totally broken or wrong idea of what socialism / marxism is (and you know that's true, considering some don't know or make the difference) ?

Did YOU search and get information confirmed before writing your post, or were you so sure that you're right that it would have been a nonsense ?

 

[Matt Black]

alatide
You apparently missed the earlier post!

The following is from a column by Holmes Alexander written many years ago.

Conservatism has a lot to do with free enterprise, little to do with Big Business. Conservatism is a discipline, and thus the enemy of permissiveness It is law-and-order, but not repression. It is good manners and social responsibility, but it has few rules — stops short of maudlin pity for the poor and the minorities. It regards Communism as an unmitigated evil, calls Fascism its “illegitimate” brother, and treats Socialism as an obnoxious poor relation of both.

You can quote all you like, but if the author of the quote is wrong, as he is in this case, that makes the quote wrong.

Nonsequitur, no-one who has asserted that Obama is a Marxist has yet to adduce any concrete evidence that he is one, as opposed to a liberal or social democrat, nor has anyone makng that assertion demonstrated that they know the difference between Marxism, socialism, social democracy and liberalism. Both are fair questions to ask; the lack of answers speaks volumes...

 

[Revmitchell]

You can quote all you like, but if the author of the quote is wrong, as he is in this case, that makes the quote wrong.

Nonsequitur, no-one who has asserted that Obama is a Marxist has yet to adduce any concrete evidence that he is one, as opposed to a liberal or social democrat, nor has anyone makng that assertion demonstrated that they know the difference between Marxism, socialism, social democracy and liberalism. Both are fair questions to ask; the lack of answers speaks volumes...

I have made post after post and started thread after thread on this issue posting evidence after evidence on Marxism/communism, Obama and his relationships etc. But I am not going to go back and repost all that material posted over the last two years. You can do a search, look through the archives or do without. Johnny come lately's do not impress me and you need to know that this subject has been discussed long before you got here.

 

[Matt Black]

Er...I've been posting on the BB for over 7 years now so I'm hardly a 'Johnny-Come-Lately'. It is of course convenient for you to state that the subject has been covered already since that absolves you from having to answer the questions posed here which are, after all, pretty simple.

Not impressed.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Er...I've been posting on the BB for over 7 years now so I'm hardly a 'Johnny-Come-Lately'. It is of course convenient for you to state that the subject has been covered already since that absolves you from having to answer the questions posed here which are, after all, pretty simple.

Not impressed.

I suppose you have noticed in that 7 years that Rev never answers a question. I do not believe he has any real knowledge concerning Communism or Socialism and thus I can only draw the conclusion that he really knows nothing about Capitalism either. In fact, I do not believe he knows anything about economics or political theory. This is gently said.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Why? Are you a teacher of Marxism/Socialism? How do you know so much about Marx and Socialism ? Are you going to grade him on what you know or what you practice? If he does show you his knowledge on the subject, how do you know if he is wrong or right?

It would show that he has some knowledge about the issue, has thought it over before making statements.

Would you continue listen to a preacher who made statements and took theological positions you did not agree with, but never backed them up with scripture leading you to believe he had never opened a Bible?

 

[Revmitchell]

Er...I've been posting on the BB for over 7 years now so I'm hardly a 'Johnny-Come-Lately'. It is of course convenient for you to state that the subject has been covered already since that absolves you from having to answer the questions posed here which are, after all, pretty simple.

Not impressed.

Your impression is neither my goal or concern. And if you have posted here for seven years you would have been part of the previous conversation. Apparently you stayed away for some time. Or were here very little. Either way do you research. It has been covered on this board many times. I have answered these any many other questions on this.

 

[Matt Black]

I suppose you have noticed in that 7 years that Rev never answers a question. I do not believe he has any real knowledge concerning Communism or Socialism and thus I can only draw the conclusion that he really knows nothing about Capitalism either. In fact, I do not believe he knows anything about economics or political theory. This is gently said.

His last evasive post would appear to confirm that. It's really very simple to answer my question in a short post consisting of a couple of paragraphs. In the amount of time, effort and bandwidth he has wasted today alone in dodging and diverting from the questions, he could have done that. The fact that he has chosen not to tells us all we need to know.