And I'm happy to pay for it through taxes. The OP is inaccurate: these problems have arisen under a conservative not a socialist government who have deliberately underfunded the NHS so that they can discredit it and sell off the lucrative bits to their rich cronies.
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Socialist paradise: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries
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No, not like insurance.
Insurance is a private transaction I choose to engage in voluntarily with a private provider and my benefits are based on my ability to purchase my own coverage.
Socialized medicine means that money is taken by the government to pay for my healthcare, regardless of whether or not I can pay for it.
Well as you must know Insurance bumps up the cost. When traders know insurance is involved they add to their bill. As a builder said to me once if I was going to claim through the insurance he would double the amount of his bill. "Always double bubble when insurance is involved."
When I have had a private estimate for a car repair and then see what the company the insurance got invoiced them for it is always a great deal more.
I am not so sure about that. The last socialist Govt left us in such a financial mess with the banking crisis, that we are still paying for it. Whether the conservative government could have handled it better when they got into power is a moot point.
Jeremy Corbyn says if he gets into power, he will do away with student tuition fees, nationalise the railways, and all sorts of other things. He just won't have the money to do those things, but he has convinced the youth, but they can't remember how bad it was when everything was nationalised, Railways, Busses, Road Transport, Steel. Gas, Electricity. Telephones, Post Office, (but I think that was always owned by the crown)
That is horrible. Do they have dedicated and trained pharmacists?
I agree that Corbyn's plans are not properly costed but I disagree about the cause or the financial mess we got into and also the solution to it: the financial crisis was caused by unscrupulous bankers who then demanded a bail out from the taxpayer costing £billions. There was then the myth propagated by the Tories for ideological reasons that austerity was the only solution to the mess when it could be more cogently argued that removing money from the economy in the way that it was exacerbated the situation whilst plunging many working families into poverty.
Strange how we have very different memories.
The Cons sold our nationalized industries - run for the benefit of the customers, profits reducing taxes - to people who sold them on, often to foreign investors.
Prices have rocketed and service has slumped.
The Cons used the proceeds for a massive redundancy programme resulting in the export of British industry. Now all we have is low paid service jobs without fair pay or prospects.
And lots of foreign investors taking the profits, so our payments for goods and services is lost to the economy.
Blair wasn't a socialist in policy. And he hung onto Bush's coat-tails getting us into the war on terrorism based on lies.
Note the British posters approve of the NHS, whereas the US posters deride the idea.
How do the US poor get medical treatment? The unemployed who can't afford insurance?
How do the US poor get medical treatment? The unemployed who can't afford insurance?
Let me properly reword this:
Note the British posters approve of Marxism, whereas the US posters deride the idea.
Firstly, what is "poor"? How is it defined? Does a person who gambles his paycheck away every week qualify as poor? How about a drunk who drinks it away? Is it our position that responsible people who save and maintain insurance should be penalized for doing so? Should sin be rewarded and thrift punished?
Yes, I know that all "poor" don't fit into those categories, but again, in a first world country, what does the word "poor" mean? Who determines the definition?
Under federal law, a hospital cannot turn you away if you need immediate treatment. Also, the poor go to county hospitals for care. The feds refund the counties.
No one lacks care although many lack an insurance company card in their wallets.
...which just demonstrates that you dont have the foggiest idea what Marxism is.
Socialized medicine just does not work. It means medical care has to be rationed. Socialized medicine means that all research is contolled by the government and research also has to be curtailed due to chronic shortages. Socialized medicine means postponement of care and denial of care to some elderly.
Typically, they go to a doctor or other healthcare provider.
You seem to have this idea that poor people are just dying in our streets, dropping out of the trees like iguanas in the cold (this is actually happening, by the way...a neighbor has a dent in his hood where an iguana fell on it). It's not true.
And how is this paid for?
If you are an American citizen and move to the UK, do you get free healthcare?
Kristin Thomas, Support Eng. Manager at Microsoft (1999-present)
Answered Dec 10 2017 · Upvoted by Tony Jackson, lives in The United Kingdom (1981-present) and Ricardo Strang, MD, MSc., Plastic and Reconstructive Surgeon. Full member os Brazilian Society of Plastic Surgery. …
I moved to the UK in 2005 with a legal work permit. This allowed my husband to also work, although he wasn’t tied to a specific job like I was. We were entitled to all the benefits of any other legal resident, so yes we received healthcare from the NHS. We lived there for 8.5 years and now are back in the US and I have been screaming the awesomeness of a national healthcare program to anyone who will listen. If I was sick, I saw my GP that day. If I wasn’t ambulatory, he would have made a house call. If I needed a specialist, I had an appointment within 13 days, it was the law. When I went to the emergency room twice, I was in and out in 1.5 hours xrayed and treated. My prescriptions cost nothing because I am a cancer survivor, but they cost my husband somewhere around £7. All of this and my taxes were no higher than here in the US.
Yeah, why would we want that here in the US?
Kristin Thomas, Support Eng. Manager at Microsoft (1999-present)
Answered Dec 10 2017 · Upvoted by Tony Jackson, lives in The United Kingdom (1981-present) and Ricardo Strang, MD, MSc., Plastic and Reconstructive Surgeon. Full member os Brazilian Society of Plastic Surgery. …
I moved to the UK in 2005 with a legal work permit. This allowed my husband to also work, although he wasn’t tied to a specific job like I was. We were entitled to all the benefits of any other legal resident, so yes we received healthcare from the NHS. We lived there for 8.5 years and now are back in the US and I have been screaming the awesomeness of a national healthcare program to anyone who will listen. If I was sick, I saw my GP that day. If I wasn’t ambulatory, he would have made a house call. If I needed a specialist, I had an appointment within 13 days, it was the law. When I went to the emergency room twice, I was in and out in 1.5 hours xrayed and treated. My prescriptions cost nothing because I am a cancer survivor, but they cost my husband somewhere around £7. All of this and my taxes were no higher than here in the US.
Yeah, why would we want that here in the US?
Curt Ziniel, Has a Political Science PhD and teaches research methods
Answered Dec 15
I moved to the UK from the USA in 2010 and have lived here since. I came in on a fiance visa and have worked and paid taxes my entire time here. Other commenters are correct that people’s taxes pay for the NHS and nothing is free, but it is free at the point of delivery. Comparing my USA and UK experiences, the NHS is extremely simple to use and people don’t have to worry about insurance issues. I can see my GP any time I want and get seen that day. I have needed help from a specialist in the past and there is a fair wait time on that. I needed a knee specialist and it took 5 weeks to get my first appointment, but after that I got therapy regularly. The NHS isn’t perfect but my experiences have been good and if you look at the overall costs, it’s a far better system than what the USA has right now. When traveling back to the USA, my wife and I have to purchase travel insurance to make sure that we are covered in America. And I think even that travel insurance is simpler than what most Americans have to deal with.
- It’s not just the UK. Just about all “first world” countries have some kind of universal health care system. The US is the odd one out.
- The UK spends around GBP 2,200 per person per year (about USD 2,930) on the National Heath Service (NHS). That’s not exactly ”free”.
You can find hundreds of these stories on the internet. You're living in a republican-fantasy world if you think the U.S. has a working healthcare system. And now they want to take away what little we have. I call that murder of the born.
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I am terrified of single-payer systems as implemented in socialist countries. Can this happen in the US? Was Obama trying to give everyone healthcare all along?
... Most nations with single payer healthcare systems are not socialist nations. They’re democracies like the USA. The definition of socialism isn’t simply “has a government-financed healthcare system”.
The vast majority of people living in democratic nations with government-financed healthcare system would not want to give them up for a US model. Criticism of some aspect of your nation’s healthcare system does not necessarily mean, therefore, the US system is better. ...
If you had an excellent health plan you can never lose, typically those reserved for the very rich in America, you probably should be terrified of losing that plan and having to get in line with everyone else.
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