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OfLivingWaters

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The only reason that she has any favor with god would be due to the Cross of Christ on her behalf, as in the sight of God, my saved Mother had equal favor with God as her!
If you new anything about the 1st ark of the covenant you would know what happened with Mother Mary. Outside of that- JUST WOW! I MEAN WOW, what irreverence for what God performed in her. She was sanctified by His body before he was even crucified. This would require a little knowledge of what took place at his development in her.

Before I got pregnant, I thought I understood how DNA works: parents pass on some combination of their DNA, with codes for various heritable traits, to their children, who pass on some combination to their children, and so on down the neat branching lines of the genealogical tree. What I didn’t know was that women can also receive DNA from their children. During pregnancy, foetal cells get into the mother’s bloodstream, mixing freely with her own cells and resulting in what scientists call a ‘microchimera, a single organism harbouring a small number of cells from another individual. Microchimerism is the reason doctors can use my blood to do genetic testing that looks for markers of disease in the DNA of the growing foetus. And while the number of foetal cells in my bloodstream will drop after birth, some could stay there for decades, even for the rest of my life.

So with that in mind Christ had only the XX chromosome of a female because no male Y was exchanged. My point; She had her sin removed at the annunciation and Incarnation. Christ could not be put in a sullied body. Christ removed SIN before HIS CRUCIFIXION, HE PUT SIN TO DEATH at the CRUCIFIXION!

If you knew anything about the pureness of God you would understand this. Also, in His development in Her, He would have exchanged with her His own developing DNA, as he would receive her PURIFIED DNA codes. All babies produce their OWN DNA CODES separate from the parents.

A fetus however does not receive blood from the mother , so it would be His own blood shed on the cross, but for sure through the miracle of life which God creates, He would have produced His own DNA and would pass some to her .But REALLY, the amazing thing is the Holy Spirit filled her and she conceived. if the HOLY SEED not only the word in acceptance but the WORD HIMSELF IN BODY BE IN HER HOW COULD SIN?

There is a lot of science too behind our being , that knowledge is helpful especially for people like me who are called to correct false doctrine. I will share the TRUE definition of Immaculate Conception which has gotten many Catholics upset, but truth is truth whoever is upset is of no concern to me.

When Mother Mary called herself "I am the Immaculate Conception" to Bernadette she never gave a meaning to it .Pope Pius IX wrongly defined it because he did not rely on scripture alone! But those who love Mary and never deny the truth about her get what it truly means.
 

Martin Marprelate

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You really cannot put 2and 2 together can you? Again typical Protestant, taking one scripture and ignoring every other one posted as if the scriptures contradict themselves. FULL OF PRIDE! If a man is a king then what is a women, and more than any woman what is the MAIN Woman to be???
Well, leaving aside the tedious ad homs, the Lord Jesus is God and Mary was a woman.
Mary is daughter of the Father, Mother of the Son and Spouse of the Holy Spirit. Queen mothers were established in Israel early on. You are not going to rewrite what was firmly established among the faithful. The Hebrews are to whom the Word of God came.Queen Mother-
it is in the foundation. It is funny , you Protestants have no problem acknowledging the queenship of Sara (Sara itself means queen) and many other women of the bible but try and deny Mary's queenship in the King Of kings.
Sarah actually means 'princess' but never mind.
Bottom Line: MARY IS A DESCENDANT of king David, that in and of itself makes her of a royal blood line no matter her humble estate, that on earth according to Hebrew tradition. But, greater than that she is chosen by heaven to be as such, for all in Christ receive THRONES, CROWNS AND SCEPTERS! Learn to read.
Indeed, all in Christ are a royal priesthood and a holy nation. Mary is part of that; no less and no greater than any other saint. If you think otherwise, you will have to show me the Scripture.
The queen mother in Israel had a powerful influence in the kingdom.
Indeed so.
This power and authority flows from her status as Gebirah (queen mother) . In Israel the queen mother preceded her son in existence (obviously not in the case of Christ though), sometimes she would rule in his stead (Cf. 2 Kings 10:13: "We are kinsmen of Ahaziah," they replied. "We are going down to visit the princes and the family of the queen mother" and at times also abuse her authority. (Cf. 2 Jeremiah 13:18: "Say to the king and to the queen mother: come down from your throne.")

However, Queen Mother Mary never rules in Christ's stead; she does not command her Son, yet He is inclined to fulfill her wishes. Her authority in the kingdom is authentic but always dependent on the King. (Cf. John 2:5. 'Do whatever He tells you.')

The queen mother of Israel interceded in behalf of the subjects of the kingdom. She was their most powerful, and therefore preferred, advocate. Her specific place of honor and intercession is dramatically illustrated in the following passage from 1 Kings 2: 13-21:

"Adonijah, son of Haggith, went to Bathsheba. the mother of Solomon. "Do you come as a friend?" she asked. "Yes," he answered and added. "I have something to ask to you." She replied, "Say it." So he said, "There is one favor I would ask of you. Do not refuse me." And she said, "Speak on." He said, "Please ask King Solomon, who will not refuse you, to give me Abishag the Shunamite for my wife." "Very well," replied Bathsheba, "I will speak to the king for you." Then Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, and the king stood up to meet her and paid her homage. Then he sat down upon his throne, and a throne was provided for the king's mother, who sat at his right. "There is one small favor l would ask of you," she said. "Do not refuse me." "Ask It, my mother," the king said to her, "for I will not refuse you. So she said, "Let Abishag the Shunamite be given to your brother Adonijah for his wife." SOLA SCRIPTURA!
Oh boy! that is amazing! You are offering Bathsheba as a type of Mary and the intercession of Bathsheba as a type of Mary's intercession. Remarkable! How did that intercession work out for Adonijah? Not to well I think. 'Then King Solomon swore by the LORD, saying, "May God do so to me, and more also if Adonijah has not spoken this word against his own life!.........So King Solomon sent by the hand of Benaiah the son of Jehoiada; and he struck him down, and he died' (1 Kings 2:23-25). If that is an example of the Queen mother interceding with her son, it's none too promising. :Laugh

The position of Queen Mother is almost always a baneful influence. You might consider Maachah (1 Kings 15:13), Jezabel (1 Kings 22:52) or Athalia (2 Kings 11:1).
Mary's queenly function consists in interceding on our behalf. It is anchored in her early role as Mother of the Redeemer and Mother of the redeemed.
No mention of it in Scripture.
Christ did not come to abolish the law or the prophets but to fulfill. Are you going to try and say he did not appoint a Queen Mother?
Yes I am.
The Mother of Our Lord and our Mother was to teach and guide Christ in wisdom, that is what her anointing was.
Not so. At the age of 12, He had gently to correct her and Joseph (Luke 2:49). He had also to resist her lack of understanding in calling Him away from His work (Mark 3:32).
Why do you think God came and gave Himself into her trust? You will loose attacking the role of Mother Mary. attack the false doctrine of Popes and pastors but not her and those who follow the Word!
I do not attack Mary. I defend her against an idolatry that she would hate and despise. It is possible to admire her character, faith and obedience without giving her unbiblical worship. I shall be preaching two sermons on Mary's Song (Luke 1:46ff) in which I shall certainly point to her example of submission to the will of God. I will post a link in due course.
 

loDebar

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O' BOYA! I know and death is not physical only spiritual. I guess you will live forever in sin.

yes, the redeemed are not in spiritual death, but we remain condemned if we do not accept Jesus.
The unredeemed are spiritually dead.
Luk 9:60
Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

The body did nothing but the heart sinned
Mat 5:27
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast itfrom thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Eze 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
 

OfLivingWaters

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Well, leaving aside the tedious ad homs, the Lord Jesus is God and Mary was a woman.

Sarah actually means 'princess' but never mind.

Indeed, all in Christ are a royal priesthood and a holy nation. Mary is part of that; no less and no greater than any other saint. If you think otherwise, you will have to show me the Scripture.

Indeed so.

Oh boy! that is amazing! You are offering Bathsheba as a type of Mary and the intercession of Bathsheba as a type of Mary's intercession. Remarkable! How did that intercession work out for Adonijah? Not to well I think. 'Then King Solomon swore by the LORD, saying, "May God do so to me, and more also if Adonijah has not spoken this word against his own life!.........So King Solomon sent by the hand of Benaiah the son of Jehoiada; and he struck him down, and he died' (1 Kings 2:23-25). If that is an example of the Queen mother interceding with her son, it's none too promising. :Laugh

The position of Queen Mother is almost always a baneful influence. You might consider Maachah (1 Kings 15:13), Jezabel (1 Kings 22:52) or Athalia (2 Kings 11:1).

No mention of it in Scripture.
Yes I am.
Not so. At the age of 12, He had gently to correct her and Joseph (Luke 2:49). He had also to resist her lack of understanding in calling Him away from His work (Mark 3:32).

I do not attack Mary. I defend her against an idolatry that she would hate and despise. It is possible to admire her character, faith and obedience without giving her unbiblical worship. I shall be preaching two sermons on Mary's Song (Luke 1:46ff) in which I shall certainly point to her example of submission to the will of God. I will post a link in due course.

Sarah means queen
Origin and Meaning of Sarahi. "Sarahi" is a name of Hebrew origin, and it means "My Princess".
Name Changes and Blessings
Sarah was born with the name Sarai, which means “my princess,” Sara or Sarah means queen. God told Abraham that Sarahi would no longer be called princess but Queen so he changed her name to Sarah (queen) just like He changed Abram to Abraham. As for all the rest:

"Mary is part of that; no less and no greater than any other saint. If you think otherwise, you will have to show me the Scripture."

I have and you need to learn to read! "BLESSED AMONG WOMEN" THAT MEANS EVEN SARAH!
 

OfLivingWaters

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yes, the redeemed are not in spiritual death, but we remain condemned if we do not accept Jesus.
The unredeemed are spiritually dead.
Luk 9:60
Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

The body did nothing but the heart sinned
Mat 5:27
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:29
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast itfrom thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Mat 5:30
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Eze 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Thanks for the recap of scripture, was mother Mary not saved or something? Did someone here say salvation comes by someone else? Even Mother Mary said " My soul magnifies the Lord, and M SPIRIT REJOICES IN GOD MY SAVIOUR". This still does not make any less true the other things shown to you about her. I said the Lord came to save her too, she was just fashioned for the MOST High occasion. What problem would any believe have with that? NONE!
 

Adonia

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But Paul does not set himself up as the 'father' of all Christians, quite simply because he isn't.[/QUOTE]

And neither does the Bishop of Rome. Jesus gives no explanation of what he means when He says "Call no man Father...…., He just uses it in a blanket sense, and many Christians such as yourself like to use it against orthodox believers because we call our clergymen "father".

We actually believe just like you, in fact every orthodox clergymen from Catholic and Eastern Orthodox faith traditions as well, that we only have one Father, God, the Creator of us all in heaven. If St. Paul can use the word calling himself "Father", or when he describes Abraham as "the father of us all" (Rom 4:16), we can as well and there is no blasphemy whatsoever.

As far as the rest of your post, you can indeed pick and choose very well what you want to accept about what someone is saying.
 

utilyan

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What is being ignored is what do we mean when we say "church". Because I refuse to identify anything devoid of unity with Jesus as "church". What ever Jesus teaches and proclaims is absolutely what the church officially has spoken.

Jesus says ABC then the church has spoken its ABC. Now if the church says XYZ and Jesus has nothing to do with teaching XYZ, Then what you say is "THAT is not the church" rather than "oh the church goofed that time".

I know You would never say Jesus is wrong therefore absolutely His church is the highest authority. I believe your fight should be on the claim to what is official rather than accept anything not God given as being "the church".

If you can tell the difference between Church and God is saying then you probably still have plenty to learn about both.



Scripture is not the highest authority. God is.


The Ten Commands is that HOLY SCRIPTURE? Written with the finger of God himself. Yet what authority does that carry?

I don't see 67 works in your bible with page one being the Ten Commandments. rather 66.

Show me the Ten Commandments authored by God.


Ten Commandments is the penultimate example of HOLY WRITING. Written with the finger of God. Yet I would not be able to find it with its independent authority in your bible. 10 Commandments Author: GOD. And even If I were to pull out the 10 commandments out of thin air. You could not take its word on it when it should be identifiable as scripture above all other scripture.


You would never accept God's authority on the Ten commandments. You would have to OKAY it from Exodus or some other Old testament scripture.

You would have the ridiculous notion that God's own work must be ratified by Moses to be official.
 
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