vooks
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Nobody disputes that
Nobody said you did, these subjective examples of yours complete with photos don't help much is the point
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Some think 'Angels' can procreate. The Scripture [KJB] declares, 'Not so.'
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Calypsis4
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Then why raise the issue to begin with? Let it go, please.
They do for people who are oppressed and searching for help.
Like they have in the past on other Christian websites, such testimony helps people who have had similar experiences and cannot find help because most of the Baptists are hard-headed about such things and don't believe them.
Sigh...."even as" in no way means that angels are being spoken of in verse seven. There is a connection here but it is not angels. Verse five is connected as well. The even as is a reference to the fact that God punished them in each case. In verse five they were punished for their unbelief. In verse six they were punished for their rebellion. In verse seven they are punished for homosexuality hence the reason to this day it is referred to as "sodomy". Verse six is the only verse here that speaks of angels.
What is cheap and disgusting is your XXX rated claim.
uh huh.
Calypsis4
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Calypsis4
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Concerning the fallen angels mentioned in Jude 1
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day....NOW NOTICE....
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Not only are the fallen angels connected with the sodomites in vs 7 but the Greek word for 'strange flesh' heteros ἕτερος literally meaning 'different'...'altered' and the word for flesh is 'sarx'. (Strongs Exhaustive Concordance). THEREFORE...the phrase means 'altered flesh'...not homosexual flesh. The perverts of Sodom not only sodomized each other they also had sexual relations with devils who appeared as humans. This is a big part of the reason for the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrha. Reason with me: why would Jude mention the matter of sexual fornication via homosexual acts twice in the same verse? The fact is he doesn't. One refers to physical sexual sin with the same sex and the other refers to having relations with fallen angels.
The Bible makes it clear that in the last days the evil forces behind the coming gov. of antichrist will mingle their demonic seed with humans. Daniel 2:43.
Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
But that mingling will not work well and the offspring will be either very deformed or monstrous, a la 'Rosemary's Baby'. How awful. But it's a reality.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day....NOW NOTICE....
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Not only are the fallen angels connected with the sodomites in vs 7 but the Greek word for 'strange flesh' heteros ἕτερος literally meaning 'different'...'altered' and the word for flesh is 'sarx'. (Strongs Exhaustive Concordance). THEREFORE...the phrase means 'altered flesh'...not homosexual flesh. The perverts of Sodom not only sodomized each other they also had sexual relations with devils who appeared as humans. This is a big part of the reason for the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrha. Reason with me: why would Jude mention the matter of sexual fornication via homosexual acts twice in the same verse? The fact is he doesn't. One refers to physical sexual sin with the same sex and the other refers to having relations with fallen angels.
The Bible makes it clear that in the last days the evil forces behind the coming gov. of antichrist will mingle their demonic seed with humans. Daniel 2:43.
Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
But that mingling will not work well and the offspring will be either very deformed or monstrous, a la 'Rosemary's Baby'. How awful. But it's a reality.
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Strange Flesh:
sarx
Probably from the base of G4563; flesh (as stripped of the skin), that is, (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred, or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specifically) a human being (as such): - carnal (-ly, + -ly minded), flesh ([-ly]).
sarx
Probably from the base of G4563; flesh (as stripped of the skin), that is, (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred, or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specifically) a human being (as such): - carnal (-ly, + -ly minded), flesh ([-ly]).
Totally agree. Jude is going through a list of people that have been judged by God. Verse 5 is about the unbelieving Israelites that never saw the promised land, verse 6 is about the fallen angels, and verse 7 is about the sinners at Sodom and Gomorrah. There is no linkage between verse 6 and 7; it's simply a listing of different entities that were judged.
Try a different translation:
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, [NKJV]
7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. [NIV]
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Jud 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire
Jud 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire
Bad theology shows up in posts like number 26......ludicrous would not cover it.......
By the way RM and I differ on some theology but he does not introduce such foolishness as you are trying to do......your done alright!
By the way RM and I differ on some theology but he does not introduce such foolishness as you are trying to do......your done alright!
Next we will be seeing that Christ is going to return in a UFO. :laugh:
:thumbsup: this dreamer fancies himself as the Bob Larson type.....we have gone from bigfoot to sexy demons fornicating.....unbelievable...but he saw it:laugh::laugh:
Calypsis4
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For those who still know how to think honestly and with a sense of loyalty to rightly dividing the word of truth.
Post #26 is right on target.
I would say; the Christians in our day (& heretics among them) that are critical of this position are going to have to eat their words as time passes and the truthfulness of this matter is made plain before all, but the fact is it has already been made plain and I just touched the tip of the iceberg in giving that evidence (hint, hint, hint): the Star Child skull discovered in Mexico had DNA that revealed a human mother but not a human father. This was done by empirical investigation and is objective, not guesswork. But that's just one among many.
Post #26 is right on target.
I would say; the Christians in our day (& heretics among them) that are critical of this position are going to have to eat their words as time passes and the truthfulness of this matter is made plain before all, but the fact is it has already been made plain and I just touched the tip of the iceberg in giving that evidence (hint, hint, hint): the Star Child skull discovered in Mexico had DNA that revealed a human mother but not a human father. This was done by empirical investigation and is objective, not guesswork. But that's just one among many.
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Calypsis4
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Chuck Missler nailed it in this terrific message on the Nephilim:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JbIxE0CsXo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JbIxE0CsXo
Would say that the Flood took care of any of the Hybrids among the human race, if they had ever even existed, and that the bible makes it really clear that in the end times satan and his gang will be let loosed upon the earth, but does NOT teach that they will produce offspring!
that smacks of the ole Aliens have been abducting and having sex with human females!
It smacks of all kinds of weird and erotic things.
Calypsis4
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No. You aren't seeing it brother. The 'sons of God' were fallen angels, not the offspring of Seth. The 'daughters of men' were merely sinners who cohabited with them, not the female offspring of Cain. Why would all the men be good and why in the world would they all marry all those wicked females in the first place? That makes no sense at all and you aren't thinking clearly on this issue.
The hybrids were all destroyed.........BUT..........there were other devils that later 'left their first habitation' and they produced the giants (& monstrous offspring) that became the Zamzumim, Emim, and Anakims. Goliath was among that demonic offspring and his children revealed thd DNA of the next generation i.e. Ishbibenob had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot. That is a sure sign of nephilim.
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One Baptism
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This is not so, brother Calypsis4, according to Scripture, and now I intend to demonstrate in thorough detail from the texts themselves. I know that many have seen many extra-scriptural material, and read that back into the text, but Scripture is not defined by outside material, but of it own self, since it was given by the Holy Spirit.
Please consider the words about to be given, prayerfully and I would ask all to not jump to pre-mature conclusions, simply because a belief may already be held. I had to study this out from page 1 and first text of of Scripture, Genesis 1:1. None of us wants to hold to error [at least I would hope not] and so, if Scripture reveals we may be holding error, let us take hold of the Truth as Christ Jesus offers it instead, for it is far better.
If anyone is not studying prayerfully, and asking God for the Truth of the matter while reading the Scriptures, they might as well pick and choose what they want to believe and never open the pages of Holy Writ to begin with, but hopefully none of us are doing that.
I will recap, and continue from where I had left off.
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BobRyan
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God did not make angels so that they can have sex with each other - in their own species -- let alone across species. See Matt 22.
It is not a question of being made to procreate and then told not to.
It is a matter of not being able to do it even in the best case -- within their same species.
Sort of like God not giving humans the ability to make themselves invisible and walk through walls or fly up to heaven to the throne of God the way Angels can.
We can't do it at all - so no misusing something you don't even have to start with.
in Christ,
Bob
One Baptism
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The OP - http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2218232&postcount=1
We read of something extremely important in Hebrews 2:16 [even dealing with the Everlasting Gospel, if any caught it] and in Genesis 1:11-25 about "nature"/"flesh" of men and of 'the angelic hosts', and this was further verified by 1 Corinthians 15:38-41, in matters terrestrial [earthly], and matters celestial [Heavenly], and then throughout the Scriptures we saw that it was only the created beings upon this earth that could be "fruitful", "multiply" and "bring forth abundantly" even from the "loins", etc from Genesis 1 and onward - http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2218272&postcount=5
Following that was a brief message of pausation, and several key texts were just introduced [Genesis 6-9; 17-19; Job 1 & 2; Peter & Jude, etc], to which the following materials will cover in their detail - http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2218279&postcount=6
Now to the Genesis 6-9 verses, and let us take note of Chapter 6:
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, - Genesis 6:1
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. - Genesis 6:2
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. - Genesis 6:3
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown. - Genesis 6:4
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually. - Genesis 6:5
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. - Genesis 6:6
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. - Genesis 6:7
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. - Genesis 6:8
These [are] the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man [and] perfect in his generations, [and] Noah walked with God. - Genesis 6:9
And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. - Genesis 6:10
The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. - Genesis 6:11
And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. - Genesis 6:12
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. - Genesis 6:13
Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. - Genesis 6:14
And this [is the fashion] which thou shalt make it [of]: The length of the ark [shall be] three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. - Genesis 6:15
A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; [with] lower, second, and third [stories] shalt thou make it. - Genesis 6:16
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life, from under heaven; [and] every thing that [is] in the earth shall die. - Genesis 6:17
But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee. - Genesis 6:18
And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every [sort] shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep [them] alive with thee; they shall be male and female. - Genesis 6:19
Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every [sort] shall come unto thee, to keep [them] alive. - Genesis 6:20
And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather [it] to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them. - Genesis 6:21
Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he. - Genesis 6:22
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. - Genesis 6:2
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. - Genesis 6:3
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown. - Genesis 6:4
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually. - Genesis 6:5
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. - Genesis 6:6
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. - Genesis 6:7
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. - Genesis 6:8
These [are] the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man [and] perfect in his generations, [and] Noah walked with God. - Genesis 6:9
And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. - Genesis 6:10
The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. - Genesis 6:11
And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. - Genesis 6:12
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. - Genesis 6:13
Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. - Genesis 6:14
And this [is the fashion] which thou shalt make it [of]: The length of the ark [shall be] three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. - Genesis 6:15
A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; [with] lower, second, and third [stories] shalt thou make it. - Genesis 6:16
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life, from under heaven; [and] every thing that [is] in the earth shall die. - Genesis 6:17
But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee. - Genesis 6:18
And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every [sort] shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep [them] alive with thee; they shall be male and female. - Genesis 6:19
Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every [sort] shall come unto thee, to keep [them] alive. - Genesis 6:20
And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather [it] to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them. - Genesis 6:21
Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he. - Genesis 6:22
So, the question that is commonly asked by many [Christians and non-Christians alike]:
"Who are the "Sons of GOD" of Genesis 6:2,4?"
It would at first seem that there is no immediate nearby answer in the text, and so, a vast majority of people immediately leave the safety of the nearby context, looking elsewhere [generally along the lines of the apocryphal so-called "1 Book of Enoch"], and come to the premature and hazardous conclusion that the "Sons of GOD" are those beings of the 'angelic hosts' [whether they are deemed of the 'good', bad' or some other 'ugly'].
Those which draw up such gnostic sources, make the claim that these so-called "Sons of God" [they call 'angels'] intermixed, interbred, and/or, worse yet, forced themselves upon helpless "human" women - the "daughters of men", thus bringing about what they would basically call "demon-spawned super human-hybrids" [or an unholy amalgamation of 'angel/devil and mankind'] whom are declared the "giants" ["Nephilim", etc.], "mighty men which [were] of old" and "men of renown", of such 'unions'.
There are some who tend to overly force the Scriptures, in these things, more specifically, utilizing the three similar verses of scripture in the Book of Job [being Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7] out of it's/their immediate context and very often rejecting or bypassing every other word on the matter and accepting the non-Scriptural source [*noted above] in its place.
As will be revealed, it is quite unnecessary and extremely destructive to the Word of God to force those texts to say that which they do not say.* Doing so will reveal some rather bizarre, errant ideologies and aberrant theologies – for instance, some of the more notable ones:
... "devil-human-hybrids",
... "physical lines of descendants of Satan (Serpent Seed theology)",
... "alien conspiracies (Reptilian Masters)",
... "super-human races" [think Aryan, etc],
... and in other known instances, also being used and stretched beyond even farcical eisegesis to try and provide evidence for an "evolutionary model and makeup within scripture [evolutionary model 'Neanderthal' breeding with various 'divergent' stock]", etc.
The Scripture does not teach any one of those things, and so without having to take my word for it, let us see the texts themselves and begin by eliminating a few things from the picture, by them.
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