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Soteriology 101
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He is the One that provides for them to get saved, and provides all required for them to get saved!
Jesus is the savior, not faith, for that is what Van teaches!
SavedByGrace
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likes make their heart repent and believe, so that the sinner has no involvement? This is totally unbiblical!
SavedByGrace
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without the sinner placing their FAITH in Jesus Christ, as their Saviour, they can never be saved!
Salvation is totally of the Lord, Romans 8!
yes, but its Jesus the saviour!
SavedByGrace
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it is CONDITIONAL on REPENTING and BELIEVING! Any problems with this, take it up with the Lord!
SavedByGrace
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no one disputes this, but the sinner must place their faith in Jesus, He does not do this for them!
Is faith authored by Jesus?
Dave G
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Psalms 65, specifically 4:
" Blessed [is the man whom] thou choosest, and causest to approach [unto thee], that he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, [even] of thy holy temple."
Understanding that it is God that chooses someone by:
1) Ordaining them to eternal life, see Acts of the Apostles 13:48
2) Foreknowing them and predestinating them conformed to the timgage of His Son, see Romans 8:29-30
3) Choosing them "in Christ" See Ephesians 1:4-12
4) Creating them in Christ Jesus, making them His workmanship, see Ephesians 2:10
5) Choosing them to salvation by sanctifying their spirit and granting them the belief of the truth ( Philippians 1:29 )
and by His grace causes them to approach Him by opening their hearts so that they then listen to His words ( Acts of the Apostles 16:14 ),
that one Scripture, all by itself, makes the Lord the cause of the repentance.
This is why repentance must be granted, because of man's hard heart ( Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:10-18, John 3:19-20, Romans 2:1-11, Psalms 10, Psalms 14, Psalms 53, Psalms 58:3, Jeremiah 13:23, etc ).
Grace alone, my friend, and that is all that we as believers stand on.
We do not stand on our belief, our repentance, our faith, our decision, our works, our anything.
We stand on Christ and His work on our behalf, and that, SBG is the very thin line that separates us from the Lake of Fire...
Why we are "scarcely saved", and yet, sure in our salvation.
How many translations translate "dia" as "by reason of?" More than 5...
And since you agree dia means by reason of in Ephesians 2:8 we are finally in agreement.
Dave G
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You misunderstand, my friend.
The sinner is involved...
They are the objects of His grace and respond to it, willfully.
that is what the new birth does...
Change our hearts from rejecting His words, to at last listening to them and knowing that they are the truth.
The new birth results in a person being willing to repent and believe, instead of being unwilling to repent and believe...
It's that simple.
I almost spilled by coffee when I saw this on topic post. Why do you think "by means of" rather than "by reason of?" It is what God does "by reason of" faith that results in salvation. Our faith is not the mechanism that accomplishes salvation.
Dave G
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I'm sorry, SBG...what you're describing is God making His gift of eternal life dependent upon us repenting and believing.
Again, we're back to doing something to gain His favor, are we not?
Is that not merit?
How is it that you are unable to see that God is obligated to rebellious sinners under this system?
Soteriology 101 is God alone, plus nothing...
Salvation is of the Lord, start to finish.
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