Soteriology 101

[SavedByGrace]

See @Van even non-Calvinists say this is bogus.

I believe in the P of TULIP. does this make me a 1 Pointer

 

[Reformed1689]

I believe in the P of TULIP. does this make me a 1 Pointer

It's a start.

 

[SavedByGrace]

It's a start.

And the end

 

[AustinC]

Some times the word "Faith" is used as a name of Jesus, but not all the time. Thus our belief in God and His Christ is the "faith" under discussion. Efforts to change the subject or obfuscate are telling us the Calvinist view is bogus. "Through faith" does not mean "not through faith" the false claim of Calvinism.

Thank you for addressing me and Galatians 3:18-29. It seems you acknowledge that Jesus is our faith, given to us that we might believe.

I am not attempting to change the subject or obfuscate. Note that in Galatians 3 Paul also says "through faith" as he says in Ephesians 2.

Since Christ is identified as faith in this passage, we can then understand what "through faith" is referring to.

Galatians 3:17-29
This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise. Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one. Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

 

[SavedByGrace]

It seems you acknowledge that Jesus is our faith, given to us that we might believe.

We are no more than a bunch of mindless machines, like puppets, and God pulls the strings! The fact that time and again the Bible TELLS sinners to have faith, and to repent and believe, and that those who do will get saved, and those who don't, will be damned, shows that your belief that God gives us the faith to believe, is utter rubbish!

 

[AustinC]

We are no more than a bunch of mindless machines, like puppets, and God pulls the strings!

Says no one who actually understands God's supremacy and sovereignty.

The fact that time and again the Bible TELLS sinners to have faith, and to repent and believe, and that those who do will get saved, and those who don't, will be damned,

Here we see your assertion based not on the facts of the Bible, but on your interpretation of what the Bible is saying.
You cannot see that you teach salvation by legal process not by grace alone.

shows that your belief that God gives us the faith to believe, is utter rubbish!

I present Galatians 3:17-29, Ephesians 2:8-9, and Hebrews 12:2 as evidence.

 

[Van]

I do not deny we are saved through faith, Scripture states this clearly. But we are not saved by reason of faith. That is not in Scripture. That is you, once again, adding something to Scripture that is not there. We are saved by reason of the grace of God.

Folks, once again obfuscation wrapped in "taint so." Liberal Calvinists attempt to redefine the meaning of the Greek preposition "dia" to not include "by reason of." Utter hogwash...

 

[Van]

this is so TOTALLY unbiblical! where do you get your "theology" from, as it is certainly NOT from the 66 Books of the Holy Bible! Lets have the chapter and verse for this, "we are saved though or by reason of faith"

Yet another "taint so" post claiming the meaning of "dia" when used to show instrumentality does not include "by reason of." And these are the folks who like to question the qualifications of others. Give me a break...

 

[Van]

See @Van even non-Calvinists say this is bogus.

The unstudied views of some who deny "dia" is used to mean "by reason of" carry no weight.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Says no one who actually understands God's supremacy and sovereignty.


Here we see your assertion based not on the facts of the Bible, but on your interpretation of what the Bible is saying.
You cannot see that you teach salvation by legal process not by grace alone.


I present Galatians 3:17-29, Ephesians 2:8-9, and Hebrews 12:2 as evidence.

you continue to fight against what the Bible Teaches, and therefore your reasoning is flawed!

 

[SavedByGrace]

You cannot see that you teach salvation by legal process not by grace alone.

show just ONE Scripture that says that salvation is by grace ALONE, apart from repenting of sins? This is a challenge to ALL who hold this warped, unbiblical teaching!

 

[AustinC]

show just ONE Scripture that says that salvation is by grace ALONE, apart from repenting of sins? This is a challenge to ALL who hold this warped, unbiblical teaching!

Ephesians 2:4-5
But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

There you go.

 

[Van]

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Since Christ is identified as faith in this passage, we can then understand what "through faith" is referring to.
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Utter nonsense. Liberal Calvinists try to redefine our faith in God and His Christ as being Christ Himself. This all they have, rewrite scripture to deny all the verses that say we obtained God's blessings through or by reason of our faith, as credited by God.

I kid you not. They claim "through faith" means "not through faith."

 

[SavedByGrace]

Ephesians 2:4-5
But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

There you go.

Salvation is by the grace of God. But this statement does not discount the need to repent. We do not expect to see the complete Gospel Message in every place

 

[SavedByGrace]

Ephesians 2:4-5
But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

There you go.

Luke 15:7 I tell you, in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over 99 righteous people who don’t need repentance.

 

[Reformed1689]

The unstudied views of some who deny "dia" is used to mean "by reason of" carry no weight.

Van, I have asked you, and you avoided, why does nobody translate it that way? Do you know more than they do?

 

[Reformed1689]

Salvation is by the grace of God. But this statement does not discount the need to repent. We do not expect to see the complete Gospel Message in every place

So if someone only heard "If you confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead you will be saved" and never heard anything else. Accepted that Believed that, died two seconds later, they are not saved?

 

[SavedByGrace]

So if someone only heard "If you confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead you will be saved" and never heard anything else. Accepted that Believed that, died two seconds later, they are not saved?

the answer is found in Mark 1:15, what does Jesus Himself say?

 

[Van]

Van, I have asked you, and you avoided, why does nobody translate it that way? Do you know more than they do?

Once again Calvinists try to change the subject rather than address the fact "through" means "by reason of" in Ephesians 2:8. Folks, every time you see "through faith" in scripture realize scripture is saying Calvinism is wrong. Through faith means by reason of faith, and does not mean what Calvinism claims, "not through faith."

 

[Reformed1689]

the answer is found in Mark 1:15, what does Jesus Himself say?

Says repent and believe the Gospel. Notice it does not say anything about salvation does it? No.