Southern Baptist leader: Donald Trump a ‘lost’ soul’ who must repent

[Earth Wind and Fire]

you fellas are thinking like Scribes & pharisees LOL ...In other words, reducing Thou Shalt Not Kill to mere punishment at the hands of civil magistrates.....Read what the Lord says in the Sermon on the Mount. "Whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of judgement". The 'judgement'.... to a Pharisee that means the local court.... I will expand on the view of the pharisees, who saw it as a pure legal issue, You must not do physical murder because if you do so you will be in danger of being punished by the civil magistrate. That was their full & complete interpretation. In other words, to them it was pure legalism.

To a fully understanding Christian, what matters is not merely the letter of the law but the spirit. So now " Whosoever is angry with his brother without cause shall be in danger of judgement" In short, causeless anger in our heart against another is spiritual murder.

 

[Yeshua1]

Don't be dense. You know who the command was given. From whom do you think the Jewish people came?



You're completely, like the Jews, ignoring everything in the New Testament. If HE's forgiving them of their sin, He's obviously absolving them of their rightful , well deserved deaths.

While in this world, The government can choose to kill babies and adults all day. The government IS NOT God. And in the New Testament, He showed that His way of dealing with actions that the government found worthy of death were not and are not one in the same.

He has not told the CHristian to forgive 70 x 7 if His intent is for you to advocate murder. God is not a liar. He does not tell us in Scripture that if we break one law, we're guilty of breaking them all, just to turn around and say that another who broke the same laws is more worthy of death than we are.




You contextually don't know what you're now saying.

All I know is that the Same God who had jesus sue on the Cross for sinners, also is the same God who declared that he condoned capital punishment for capyal crimes, as when someone killed another person in a pre nediated fashion, that strikes against very image of God!

jesus, per revelation, will be commanding and executing many when He returns, will he be wrong when he does that to those who deny him?

 

[Yeshua1]

Don't be dense. You know who the command was given. From whom do you think the Jewish people came?



You're completely, like the Jews, ignoring everything in the New Testament. If HE's forgiving them of their sin, He's obviously absolving them of their rightful , well deserved deaths.

While in this world, The government can choose to kill babies and adults all day. The government IS NOT God. And in the New Testament, He showed that His way of dealing with actions that the government found worthy of death were not and are not one in the same.

He has not told the CHristian to forgive 70 x 7 if His intent is for you to advocate murder. God is not a liar. He does not tell us in Scripture that if we break one law, we're guilty of breaking them all, just to turn around and say that another who broke the same laws is more worthy of death than we are.




You contextually don't know what you're now saying.

One more time, does God condemn Homosexual/Lesbian/transgendering lifestyles as being sinning or not?

once a person claoms to now be a CXhristian, does God allow them to still stau doing all of those acts, or does he now require them to forsake those prior deeds done in darkness>

just to whom was paul addressing in Chapter 1 of Romans, and does God have something to say about those who practice and advocate a particular lifestyle choice, or not?

Do you accept that ALl scripture is inspired of God, so regardless if peter/paul/John or Jesus stated it, it ALL has equal authority to us now?

 

[Yeshua1]

Perhaps the Jewish guy. But the neither the current President nor the lady running to be the next President have ever said that they don't need to be forgiven by God. Nor have they publicly to my knowledge done the morally despicable things that Donald Trump has in word or deed.

You might dislike the other three, and find some consolation in making them into what Moore is saying Trump is or has done, but you have nothing more than opinion and partisan politics to falsely back that up, except again with the Jewish man who rejects Jesus Christ.

Hillart and the President also have rejected the real jesus of the Bible, for a fasle Jesus, who to them was a political activist, not a Messiah!

 

[church mouse guy]

You continue your lies about me.

Also, you show no quote showing Christ saying he was in favor of Capital Punishment.

Also, if he fulfilled the law then he paid the debt and there is no way that capital punishment is valid ... he paid the price.

Now, please show me a direct quote.

You are long on accusations as usual but short on specifics. Do you think that that is nice of you? You say that the unborn child is not a human being and that capital punishment is murder.

You don't even bother to capitalize the word "he" when you use it to refer to Jesus.

You say that Jesus fulfilled the law and therefore capital punishment is invalid, so I guess that if Jesus paid the debt then sinners no longer die by your logic. What you are really saying is that Jesus overthrew the law given to Noah--to fulfill the Law means to obey it. Murderers, whether of unborn children or of others, still go to hell because the Law has not been overthrown or destroyed. There is a Lake of Fire because the Law still stands. A Christian may be washed in the blood of Jesus but a Christian who murders still faces civil penalties just as a thief who steals faces civil penalties. If someone stole from you, wouldn't you want that person locked up and the key thrown away? After all you accuse me of lying and then refuse to list any details so you must have a harsh view of crime against you whether it is real or imagined. I am sure that you have very nice shoes but I am quite happy that I am not in your shoes. Personally, I think that Europe ruined you and that you are a victim of the 19th century German higher critics. If the religious left has so much to offer, why are you so vehement against Fundamentalists and Evangelicals? Can you even answer questions about what you actually believe?

Matthew 5:17 (KJV) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

 

[Yeshua1]

We are saved by Grace of God, but God still expects us to obey what he give to us in the Moral aspects of the law of Moses!

And he never revoked his views on capital punishment, as person who kills someone else by choice has still executed an image of God!

 

[Zaac]

LOL. Doesn't matter what they say. It's what they do that matters.

No disagreement on the last part. But for the first, remember that the word of God says But the things that come out of a person's mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. Mat. 15:18

A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. Luke 6:45

You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. Mat. 12:34

What a person says does matter.

 

[Zaac]

Hillart and the President also have rejected the real jesus of the Bible, for a fasle Jesus, who to them was a political activist, not a Messiah!

Do tell. Upon what do you base this?

 

[Yeshua1]

Do tell. Upon what do you base this?

Look at what they actively support and condone, and their agenda is very much anti Christian!
The President has eveb stated that while he respects and looks with favor on Jesus, he cannot buy into that theology of him dieing for sinners, that he is the only way to heaven etc, as he does not think God would send to hell someone sincere in another faith....

 

[Zaac]

We are saved by Grace of God, but God still expects us to obey what he give to us in the Moral aspects of the law of Moses!

And he never revoked his views on capital punishment, as person who kills someone else by choice has still executed an image of God!

No one said he revoked His views on capital punishment anymore than He revoked any other part of the law. He COMPLETED it on the Cross and showed why Christians forgiven by Him should not be advocating the taking of a life.

It's beyond crazy that you guys call yourselves pro-life because you disagree with the law of the government. But then somehow, in some extremely, ridiculously crazy manner, still think you're pro-life by agreeing with the government on the taking of adult life.

In what vein of God's Holiness and Righteousness do you think that makes any sense?

 

[Zaac]

Look at what they actively support and condone, and their agenda is very much anti Christian!

You and a whole lot of other Christians have figured out a way to condone the taking of an adult life by the government. And someone don't think the taking of an adult life is the same as the taking of the life of an unborn baby.

In accordance with Scripture, y'alls agenda looks very anti-Christ. A whole lot f the GOP's agenda looks anti-Christ whenit comes to how they want to treat the poor and needy.

The President has eveb stated that while he respects and looks with favor on Jesus, he cannot buy into that theology of him dieing for sinners, that he is the only way to heaven etc, as he does not think God would send to hell someone sincere in another faith....

Got a link? I'll look and see if I can find where he said this.

You know it was GW Bush who said again and again that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

 

[Yeshua1]

You and a whole lot of other Christians have figured out a way to condone the taking of an adult life by the government. And someone don't think the taking of an adult life is the same as the taking of the life of an unborn baby.

In accordance with Scripture, y'alls agenda looks very anti-Christ. A whole lot f the GOP's agenda looks anti-Christ whenit comes to how they want to treat the poor and needy.





Got a link? I'll look and see if I can find where he said this.

You know it was GW Bush who said again and again that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

Again, the Lord Himself sees a difference between uis murdering a baby in the womb, and executing a criminal who killed someone in cold blood...

Since he sees and draws a distinction here, why don't you?

And again, since when is claiming to be a believer in jesus, and yet by both deeds and words deny Him, mean that we should just accept as being good whatever they advocate?

You do realise that it has been the Democratic party policy if institulizing proverty in the africam american community thru govt hand outs and social relief that has caused them to be so far behind other groups on a strict economic basis?
And also their destruction of the Black community thru abortion and by advocating policies that would have black men not own up and get responsible for the things that they do, such as so many births out of wed lock?

many prominent Black american authors have commited that they had it better in both economic and family situations during the time of racism in this country, due to their communities banding together to have econmy, and to support the family structure...
So since the Democratic policy has failed them miserable, but making it worse now while having civil rights, why not at least be open to another way?
So since the Democratic

 

[Benjamin]

Comparison of Christian values and loyalties:

I do not believe for one minute that Trump, as President, would stand by and watch thousands of Christian being murdered and forced from their ancestral homes as what happened in Iraq. It is pretty easy to see where Obama’s loyalties lie:

Trump may have said in a weak understanding of theological issues that he doesn’t regularly ask for forgiveness but he also said that “when I do something wrong I just go and try to make it right” (demonstrating a change of heart, a form of repentance), he said this in regard to that he doesn’t bring God into the picture of him doing wrong to others and he goes on to say that when he goes to church he does asks for forgiveness during communion and does this as often as possible. His method of asking for forgiveness is lacking in many ways and some opportunists may want to advantage of this theological weakness to judge his faith and salvation but we are not told why he believes that method of asking for forgiveness is even necessary or of the object of his faith. Certainly not enough information for me to claim to know his heart and to judge it.

In contrast to Obama, Trump clearly demonstates his loyalties and pledges to protect Christians; there is yuge difference between his loyalties and Obamas concerning Christianity:

 

[Benjamin]

It seems apparent to me that Trump puts a much higher value on Christianity than Obama ever has.
(Luk 12:34) For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

 

[righteousdude2]

Do tell. Upon what do you base this?

If you have to ask that, you don't deserve an answer!

 

[righteousdude2]

It seems apparent to me that Trump puts a much higher value on Christianity than Obama ever has.
(Luk 12:34) For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

AGREED! ​

 

[righteousdude2]

Again, the Lord Himself sees a difference between uis murdering a baby in the womb, and executing a criminal who killed someone in cold blood...

Since he sees and draws a distinction here, why don't you?

And again, since when is claiming to be a believer in jesus, and yet by both deeds and words deny Him, mean that we should just accept as being good whatever they advocate?

You do realise that it has been the Democratic party policy if institulizing proverty in the africam american community thru govt hand outs and social relief that has caused them to be so far behind other groups on a strict economic basis?
And also their destruction of the Black community thru abortion and by advocating policies that would have black men not own up and get responsible for the things that they do, such as so many births out of wed lock?

many prominent Black american authors have commited that they had it better in both economic and family situations during the time of racism in this country, due to their communities banding together to have econmy, and to support the family structure...
So since the Democratic policy has failed them miserable, but making it worse now while having civil rights, why not at least be open to another way?
So since the Democratic

Let's not forget, Obama has forced GAY Marriage upon the people of this nation! He has forced transgender restrooms upon the people! He has caused the illegal immigrants to come out of the darkness and FLAUNT real citizens by burning our flag while waving theirs, and to MOCK the laws of this country by be bold enough to brag in the public courtyards of their illegal status! He has sold us a lie that health care would be cheaper, and that no illegals wold ever be able to get health care! ALL of these are lies!

He has weakened and stripped our military of any pride and power it once had.

I am tired, but you get the idea! He has RUINED this country!

 

[Zaac]

Again, the Lord Himself sees a difference between uis murdering a baby in the womb, and executing a criminal who killed someone in cold blood...

Again, no He doesn't and it's beyond disgusting the way some of you keep trying to justify murdering adults while pretending to express horror about the same government giving the okay to kill the unborn.

Do you even see what you're doing? You're saying that God values that unborn life more than HE does the born life.

The Bible doesn't mention abortion. It's a political issue. The only defense Christians have for being against it is that God said thou shall not murder. Yet it is obvious that you aren't pro-life at all.

Since he sees and draws a distinction here, why don't you?

He doesn't draw a distinction. If HE did, the thief on the Cross wouldn't be with Him today.
If HE did, HE would not have interfered with the crowd getting ready to stone the lady.

You're claiming a distinction that does not exist. And more and more it becomes more evident that the anti-abortion crowd isn't pro-life after all.

And again, since when is claiming to be a believer in jesus, and yet by both deeds and words deny Him, mean that we should just accept as being good whatever they advocate?

Your words and deeds are denying Him, as are the words and deeds of any Christian who hypocritically advocates for capital punishment while claiming to be pro-life. So looks like you're in the same club that you're pointing at them about.

You do realise that it has been the Democratic party policy if institulizing proverty in the africam american community thru govt hand outs and social relief that has caused them to be so far behind other groups on a strict economic basis?

You do realize that I don't give a flying hoot about what the Democrat or Republican parties do? I'm talking about what GOD has called His people to do. And His " people" seem to be as caught up in doing the wrong things and advocating the wrong things because of politics just as they did before His death.

And also their destruction of the Black community thru abortion and by advocating policies that would have black men not own up and get responsible for the things that they do, such as so many births out of wed lock?

Again, I don't care what party you think has destroyed the black community. My priority is God's Community. What are you doing to destroy people's chances of being a part of that community by being a brandisher of this Christian hypocrisy?

many prominent Black american authors have commited that they had it better in both economic and family situations during the time of racism in this country, due to their communities banding together to have econmy, and to support the family structure...

I don't care what the black American authors say either. What does GOD say as you continue to hypocritically turn people away from Him just because you want to win the "your sin is the worst of the worst" argument?

So since the Democratic policy has failed them miserable, but making it worse now while having civil rights, why not at least be open to another way?

YOU failed them by focusing on your politics and hypocrisy rather than pointing folks to Christ and discipling them and teaching them to obey everything HE commands?

Society is the way it is because folks like you who say you are a Christian spend much more time waving your hypocrisy (that you're to darn prideful to even recognize as hypocrisy) around.

 

[Zaac]

Let's not forget, Obama has forced GAY Marriage upon the people of this nation!

Let's not forget that your bigotry knows no end and causes you to bear false witness against that man again and again just because you don't like him. Of all the things that have pushed a gay agenda, the Obama White House would be very far down the list. You tell one radical right lie after the other and think just because you repeat it again and again that it's true.

How man times have the folks on the radical right claimed that gay marriage was a states right issue? There were some 35 states that legalized gay marriage. And that had nothing to do with Obama. The Supreme Court's ruling basically made it legal in all 50 states. Does Obama control the Supreme Court? Of course not. Just more of your radical right foolishness not based in reality.

Whose White House forced all the heterosexual porn sites? Whose White House forced the heterosexual soft porn on tv? Whose White House forced all the heterosexual filth that'd pervades every commercial? Whose White House is responsible for always showing or implying that unmarried heterosexual couples are having sex?

He has forced transgender restrooms upon the people!

Good. He seems to have cut into many old men in the GOP's direct access to transgenders in the bathroom. I think that may be what so many of these old GOPers ae really so upset about.

and He has caused the illegal immigrants to come out of the darkness and FLAUNT real citizens by burning our flag while waving theirs,

Awww. Because immigrants have gotten a backbone in support of their home countries, you're upset. Pure silliness. Go to Chinatown or Germantown. Or go up to Boston where everyone is flying Irish paraphernalia. How did he make illegal immigrants to come out? STop this parroting of Fox NEws.

and to MOCK the laws of this country by be bold enough to brag in the public courtyards of their illegal status!

The folks hiring them mock the same laws.

He has sold us a lie that health care would be cheaper, and that no illegals wold ever be able to get health care! ALL of these are lies!

That's hardly your problem with him.

He has weakened and stripped our military of any pride and power it once had.

Too many folks in the military listening to Fox News are what has really weakened the military as it has made them as disrespectful of their Commander in Chief as are the politically conservative republicans.

I am tired, but you get the idea! He has RUINED this country!

Pure foolishness based in your own bigotry. If you cared anything about this country, you wouldn't be supporting Donald Trump for President. So save the histrionics

Of the many GOP candidates, I knew back in the fall that your bigotry would push you toward another bigot.

 

[Benjamin]

Again, no He doesn't and it's beyond disgusting the way some of you keep trying to justify murdering adults while pretending to express horror about the same government giving the okay to kill the unborn.

Do you even see what you're doing? You're saying that God values that unborn life more than HE does the born life.

The Bible doesn't mention abortion. It's a political issue. The only defense Christians have for being against it is that God said thou shall not murder. Yet it is obvious that you aren't pro-life at all.


He doesn't draw a distinction. If HE did, the thief on the Cross wouldn't be with Him today.
If HE did, HE would not have interfered with the crowd getting ready to stone the lady.

You're claiming a distinction that does not exist. And more and more it becomes more evident that the anti-abortion crowd isn't pro-life after all.

Wow!! That is the sickest, irrational, most unbiblical reasoning I think I have ever seen allowed on this board! And it is disgusting how you are allowed to conclude with accusations on Christians supported with nothing more than blatantly ignorant question begging backed false dilemma fallacies which are comparing the sheading of the most innocent blood from the life within the womb to the justifiable killing of a murderer with asinine claims there is no biblical distinction between them.

Oh, there is something that is becoming “more and more evident” but it isn’t concerning any truth to your false dilemma attacks on Christians not being pro-life who are anti-abortion, it is more in line with the spiritual condition, the motives and biblical ignorance of you their accuser!

Still, if I thought there was any hope of you being interested in reasoning for the truth I might take the time to address your reasoning and Biblically correct you, but you don’t fool me Zaac.

Talk about "disgusting"!...