Southern Baptist slide???

[Salty]

... Adherence to BF&M is one tool to keep modernism/liberalism at bay.

But even at that - there are several churches that use the BFM - 1963

 

[church mouse guy]

I don't like para-church organizations very much. My church has a regret on their website about George Floyd, which I consider inappropriate. I fully support the 2000 BFM as it enunciates my personal beliefs. Mohler was talking to former Australian Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson a couple of days ago. Mohler is an intellectual. He talked mostly about current events.

 

[Roy]

Chart produced by SEBTS President, Danny Akin

MODERATES
Moral:
*A number are pro-choice.
*Some see homosexuality/lesbianism as an acceptable lifestyle and a pre-disposed and unavoidable orientation.

Seeing this reminded me of how things were when I first joined the Baptist Board, 2001. Anytime something negative was said about homosexuality, a firestorm of criticism would erupt. It was really shocking to see on a discussion board which bore the title "Baptist Board." People claimed to take offense with the excuse "I'm not gay but many of my best friends are."
Looks like most of the moderates have moved on to other media leaving just us grumpy old men here to debate the issues.

 

[Revmitchell]

When does one move from being a moderate then to a liberal?

"Because of the opprobrious epithet "liberal," today they call themselves "moderates." A skunk by any other name still stinks!"

W A Criswell

 

[Reynolds]

Seeing this reminded me of how things were when I first joined the Baptist Board, 2001. Anytime something negative was said about homosexuality, a firestorm of criticism would erupt. It was really shocking to see on a discussion board which bore the title "Baptist Board." People claimed to take offense with the excuse "I'm not gay but many of my best friends are."
Looks like most of the moderates have moved on to other media leaving just us grumpy old men here to debate the issues.

Glad I was not around the board back then.

 

[Revmitchell]

Glad I was not around the board back then.

The newbies around here complain how they believe it has gotten worse around here. I assure you this place used to be far worse than anything they have seen.

 

[Salty]

"Because of the opprobrious epithet "liberal," today they call themselves "moderates." A skunk by any other name still stinks!"

W A Criswell

This goes right along with L.E.F.T.
Liberal Education For Terminology

Liberals DEMAND we use certain terms - so those activities/thinking does not sound so bad.

For example:
Why are they so afraid to say they are pro-abortion
Pro- Choice - I tell people I am pro-choice because I believe only the baby should have the right to choose abortion

NOTE: I have deleted most of my post - as it off OP
I reposted it here: L.E.F.T

 

[Yeshua1]

"Moderate" is a genteel title for liberal (modernist) theology employed by the SBC, since calling someone a "liberal" would imply saying they were not truly born again. Sadly, the "moderate" position today (those who have left the Convention and formed their own organization) IS that of extreme anti-biblical "liberalism". I seriously question the eternal salvation of anyone who denies fundamental biblical truth.

Demonstrated by chart from 2013 by SBC (next post)

Normally, Moderate to me means someone who claims to be say a calvinist, but is really 3 or 4 pointer, or even an evangelical Arminian!

 

[Yeshua1]

Chart produced by SEBTS President, Danny Akin

CONSERVATIVES:
Theologically:
*Affirm the inerrancy of the Bible. Find no errors in the autographs philosophically, theologically, scientifically or historically.
*Bible is the Word of God.
*Emphasize the necessity of theological integrity.
*All are creationists (though not all are “young earthers”).
*All affirm soteriological exclusivism (people are saved only through faith in Christ).
*Affirms Scripture as the foundational source of religious spiritual authority.
*Affirm congregationalism with strong pastoral authority/leadership.
*Oppose women as pastors: (complementarians in the home/church).
*View autonomy as a precious check against both hierarchicalism and connectionalism.
*Affirm the eternal continuation of both heaven and hell.
*See the priesthood of all believers as guaranteeing direct access to God for all believers and as a doctrine of responsibility.
*Discover no contradictions or internal inconsistencies in the Bible when it is properly interpreted.
*Affirm historical-grammatical interpretation.
*Find no mythological elements in Scripture.
*Emphasize the transcendent truth of Scripture.

Moral:
*All are pro-life.
*All see homosexuality/lesbianism as sin and a choice of lifestyle.

Political:
*Most tend toward the Republican party (political conservatism).
*Emphasize peacemaking together with a strong military.
*Advocate separation of church and state to the extent that government neither establishes religion nor interferes with its practice.

Denominational:
*Identifies the other as “moderates,” “liberals,” or “neo-orthodox.”
*View creeds and confessions instruments of doctrinal accountability though always subject to Scripture.
*Believe that the institutions and agencies of a denomination should operate with confessional integrity.
*Intensely evangelistic and missionary.
*Are more comfortable in cooperative ventures with evangelical groups like IVF, Campus Crusade, Promise Keepers and Wycliffe Translators.

MODERATES
Theological:
*Affirm the authority (but not inerrancy) of the Bible in matters of salvation. Find some errors in areas such as science and history.
*Bible contains the Word of God.
*Emphasizes the necessity of theological diversity.
*Many are theistic evolutionists.
*A number affirm soteriological inclusivism (some in other religions may be saved).
*Affirms Scripture AND reason, experience, and tradition as sources of religious/spiritual authority.
*Affirm congregationalism with strong congregational authority and democratic process.
*Affirm women as pastors: (egalitarians in the home/church).
*View autonomy as the right of every church to do or believe what it wishes and not have its fellowship questioned associationally or denominationally.
*Some embrace the idea of the annihilations of the wicked.
*See the priesthood of all believers as a doctrine which guarantees the right of every individual to interpret Scripture as he/she sees fit
*Discover contradictions and internal inconsistencies in the Bible.
*Affirm historical-critical interpretation.
*Open to mythological elements in Scripture.
*See much of the Bible as culturally conditional.

Moral:
*A number are pro-choice.
*Some see homosexuality/lesbianism as an acceptable lifestyle and a pre-disposed and unavoidable orientation.

Political:
*Most tend toward the Democratic party (political left).
*Emphasize peacemaking with many affirming pacifism.
*Advocate separation of church and state to the extent that the church has little impact in and through government.

Denominational:
*Identifies the other as “fundamentalists.”
*View creeds and confessions as potentially inappropriate intrusions upon the conscious of the individual believer.
*Believe that the institutions and agencies of a denomination should operate with limited or no confessional restraint.
*Inclined more toward “social ministries.”
*Are more comfortable in cooperative ventures with groups like the CBF, BJC, and mainline denominations.

Once a person or a group move off the Bible as being fully inspired and infallible, then their entire theology Well become in time suspect!

 

[Yeshua1]

I was a Moderate Baptist before being saved. I would be amazed if any of those at a Moderate seminary I attended were saved. There is almost no difference. Liberals and Moderates interpret the bible almost the same. Moderates reject conservative hermeneutics and conservative biblical studies. The fight changed. Also, the term 'moderate is a ruse.

was that in your Charasmatic Chaos days?

 

[Yeshua1]

The newbies around here complain how they believe it has gotten worse around here. I assure you this place used to be far worse than anything they have seen.

Was that back during a certain person who cant be named time then?

 

[Steven Yeadon]

was that in your Charasmatic Chaos days?

Yeah, I was a Moderate Baptist into Charismaticism. I become a Christian four and a half years ago, and then join this board a few months later. I kept some of my wayward Charismatic ways, but the Holy Spirit's discipline and you guys here got me out of That stuff.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yeah, I was a Moderate Baptist into Charismaticism. I become a Christian four and a half years ago, and then join this board a few months later. I kept some of my wayward Charismatic ways, but the Holy Spirit's discipline and you guys here got me out of That stuff.

The fruit of so called "moderate" Christianity is Theistic Evolution, Charasmatic Chaos, women pastors, and alternate lifestyles!

 

[Reynolds]

The fruit of so called "moderate" Christianity is Theistic Evolution, Charasmatic Chaos, women pastors, and alternate lifestyles!

Most Charasmatics are very fundamental.

 

[Revmitchell]

Was that back during a certain person who cant be named time then?

I dont know of whom you speak. Voldamort?

 

[Dr. Bob]

Most Charismatics are very fundamental.

Not sure I'd agree. The very first/primary fundamental is the Bible is inspired Word of God and authority for mankind.

Anyone who believes and teaches "revelation", "special knowledge" and "inspiration" of people today as the voice of God ATTACK the doctrine of inspiration and are as bad as papists and NOT fundamental.

 

[Yeshua1]

I dont know of whom you speak. Voldamort?

Dr Leighton?

 

[Yeshua1]

Not sure I'd agree. The very first/primary fundamental is the Bible is inspired Word of God and authority for mankind.

Anyone who believes and teaches "revelation", "special knowledge" and "inspiration" of people today as the voice of God ATTACK the doctrine of inspiration and are as bad as papists and NOT fundamental.

I was in the Assemblies of God over a decade, 7 years as a teaching Elder, went to their school, and will say that they are not nearly as bad as thnos einto word of faith/positive confession/dominion etc!

 

[Yeshua1]

Most Charasmatics are very fundamental.

NOT the ones into heresies such as word of Faith, modern day Apostles and Prophets!

 

[Revmitchell]

Dr Leighton?

Why wouldnt we speak his name? He wasnt a source of any problems. Calvinists attacks on him are. But no it was a bunch of different people and groups.