Speaking in Tongues ... Does YOUR Church Allow it?

[righteousdude2]

Glad you asked!

.... no I DON'T ATTEST TO THAT. In my heart and mind baptism of the Holy Ghost does not always mean tongues, nor is it an evidence of being baptized in the Spirit. The fruits are the evidence of the Baptism, as are many different gifts He gives, at Baptism and at other points in our walk!

what purpose in your church do tongues and propecy do then?

The prophecy portion of the gift, just like it has been used since way back when, is used to edify, challenge and lift up believers who come asking for hands to be laid on them and prayer for a certain need!

The tongues is just something that seems to put us into a higher form of praise.

You will not understand these things simply because you do not have them. Explaining them to you, is like trying to explain the baptism of the Holy Ghost to a non-believer. They don't understand because they have never come to that point in his or her life or walk!

It doesn't make you less than me, because you don't have these gifts; Nevertheless, it surely doesn't make me wrong because I do!

I'd simply say to you my brother, don't knock unless you've tried it, and if you have, and it did nothing for you, then I am so sorry, because those of us who do hold to tongues, have it, and we enjoy it. I'd simply say, it is the difference between watching television in black and white versus color; on the other hand, maybe the difference between watching a color television versus an HD color television!

Or, the difference between hearing your music or sound effects on a mono system versus a THX, Bose system.

None of the above do not elude to you not having the same approach to God as us who have the gifts; it just means you don't have the enhanced versons of the relationship!

To each their own! If you are happy with how you see, relate to, and hear from God ... no one, including me is going to force you to change. You see ... we are all recieving Him, but some have a more sophisticated form of receiving Him!

BUT like some say, once you start receiving God in HD color with THX Bose sound; you just don't want to go back! God bless you and thanks for asking!

However, I don't believe this will satisfy you or Judith, but as for me, I am finished with the both of you. I have shaken the dust from my boots, and I am continuing to walk down the path! I'll see you both on the other side, and when you get there and see and hear the kind of visual and audio clarity I am talking about, you will no longer question what some of us possess! Thank you Jesus!

 

[Judith]

The prophecy portion of the gift, just like it has been used since way back when, is used to edify, challenge and lift up believers who come asking for hands to be laid on them and prayer for a certain need!

The tongues is just something that seems to put us into a higher form of praise.

You will not understand these things simply because you do not have them. Explaining them to you, is like trying to explain the baptism of the Holy Ghost to a non-believer. They don't understand because they have never come to that point in his or her life or walk!

It doesn't make you less than me, because you don't have these gifts; Nevertheless, it surely doesn't make me wrong because I do!

I'd simply say to you my brother, don't knock unless you've tried it, and if you have, and it did nothing for you, then I am so sorry, because those of us who do hold to tongues, have it, and we enjoy it. I'd simply say, it is the difference between watching television in black and white versus color; on the other hand, maybe the difference between watching a color television versus an HD color television!

Or, the difference between hearing your music or sound effects on a mono system versus a THX, Bose system.

None of the above do not elude to you not having the same approach to God as us who have the gifts; it just means you don't have the enhanced versons of the relationship!

To each their own! If you are happy with how you see, relate to, and hear from God ... no one, including me is going to force you to change. You see ... we are all recieving Him, but some have a more sophisticated form of receiving Him!

BUT like some say, once you start receiving God in HD color with THX Bose sound; you just don't want to go back! God bless you and thanks for asking!

However, I don't believe this will satisfy you or Judith, but as for me, I am finished with the both of you. I have shaken the dust from my boots, and I am continuing to walk down the path! I'll see you both on the other side, and when you get there and see and hear the kind of visual and audio clarity I am talking about, you will no longer question what some of us possess! Thank you Jesus!

Here in lies the evil and false claims due to being puffed up in pride in the modern day tongues momement. You claim this; "The prophecy portion of the gift, just like it has been used since way back when, is used to edify, challenge and lift up believers who come asking for hands to be laid on them and prayer for a certain need!
The tongues is just something that seems to put us into a higher form of praise."

The bible says this 1Cor 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Claiming you have a higer form of praise is nothing short of pride, which God hates. God did not give the gift of tongues so people could pray or sing in them and think thye had a higher form of praise. You are GREATLY deceived in your pride. The true gift is real languages not some gibberish that the speaker does not understand themselves.

 

[kyredneck]

Closest we've come to tongues was when one of our members brought a friend to church. Feller was from the Boston area and after service was over was found hunting around in the auditorium. I asked if I could help him with anything and he replied, "I lost my khakis."

"Your what?"

"My khakis. I lost my khakis."

Not wanting to alarm the feller, I gently informed him that he was wearing a perfectly serviceable pair of khakis.

He replied, "Pastah, I cahn't staht my cah with these khakis."

Apparently he was wearing Dockahs. His khakis were kept on a chain.

ROFL! That's funny. I knew a fellow from Vermont that talked the same way.

 

[righteousdude2]

Go, and judge NO more?

Claiming you have a higer form of praise is nothing short of pride.....

.....as you continue to argue this point with me....has it ever dawned on you that I just don't care what you think? I am perfectly content to be in the place I am, and I have not taken it upon myself to judge you and put you down for not having what I have.

Ask yourself, does he care what I think? And the obvious answer is, "No!" I don't care what you think, my sister, because in the long run, it is not you who will sit in judgment of me for my works and my beliefs while on this earth!

I would think that while you say I am "Puffed up" it is more than likely you who have puffed themselves up, as you somehow think what you say matters to me? You somehow think that you know what's better for me? You somehow think I am wrong and your way of seeing things is the ONLY right way?

Man, that is the proof of someone being conceited and puffed up! As I have never proclaimed that what I operate under with my gift, makes me better than you! However, you seem to think that what you think is right, is how I should cow toe to, and fall down and worship as the truth!

Sure, some Pentecostals or Charismatic will make you feel like you are lacking, and they will argue and lay guilt trips on those lacking tongues....but you are not hearing that come from me, so who is all puffed up and judgmental, sister? It surely hasn't been me. Because you see, it doesn't matter to me if anyone on this board speaks in tongues or not! That is surely between them and God, like it is between me and God. It is no more my business than it is yours! I conducted this OP and poll, because I came across a Baptist curch that was promoting tongues, and I was interested to see if anyone on this board feel into that new group fo Baptists! I did not intend to question or judge anyone for not speaking in tongues! But like Paul I'd rather speak two words that acknowledge Jesus thant a hundred than no one could understand! And I sincerely say that! I am not using my gift to cause another to stumble ... and I am surely not lording my gift over anyone! And for sure, I am not proud of my gift ... just thankful for it along with the other gifts I have!

So, if you want to continue this debate, fine...but first ask yourself, has anything you said meant anything to me? And to be truthful, it hasn't had the slightest bit of sway on what I believe or don't believe.

I am comfortable being me. If you want me to be like you, I feel sorry for you! And I can promise you that I certainly don't desire for you to be like me! We are all a part of a larger plan. Different but unique parts of the Body of Christ, and He counts us all as HIs. Special in our own way, and this body part, is not haughty when it comes to where I am positioned on or in, the body, so why don't you go back to being comfortable and content with where you have been placed, and stop worrying or being concerned about those, who like me, are in a different place on the body! God bless you Judith! We will be neighbors one day, so try to relax and enjoy this life and do your best to follow Him and less to influence me to live like you and believe like you! :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Judith]

.....as you continue to argue this point with me....has it ever dawned on you that I just don't care what you think? I am perfectly content to be in the place I am, and I have not taken it upon myself to judge you and put you down for not having what I have.

Ask yourself, does he care what I think? And the obvious answer is, "No!" I don't care what you think, my sister, because in the long run, it is not you who will sit in judgment of me for my works and my beliefs while on this earth!

I would think that while you say I am "Puffed up" it is more than likely you who have puffed themselves up, as you somehow think what you say matters to me? You somehow think that you know what's better for me? You somehow think I am wrong and your way of seeing things is the ONLY right way?

Man, that is the proof of someone being conceited and puffed up! As I have never proclaimed that what I operate under with my gift, makes me better than you! However, you seem to think that what you think is right, is how I should cow toe to, and fall down and worship as the truth!

Sure, some Pentecostals or Charismatic will make you feel like you are lacking, and they will argue and lay guilt trips on those lacking tongues....but you are not hearing that come from me, so who is all puffed up and judgmental, sister? It surely hasn't been me. Because you see, it doesn't matter to me if anyone on this board speaks in tongues or not! That is surely between them and God, like it is between me and God. It is no more my business than it is yours! I conducted this OP and poll, because I came across a Baptist curch that was promoting tongues, and I was interested to see if anyone on this board feel into that new group fo Baptists! I did not intend to question or judge anyone for not speaking in tongues! But like Paul I'd rather speak two words that acknowledge Jesus thant a hundred than no one could understand! And I sincerely say that! I am not using my gift to cause another to stumble ... and I am surely not lording my gift over anyone! And for sure, I am not proud of my gift ... just thankful for it along with the other gifts I have!

So, if you want to continue this debate, fine...but first ask yourself, has anything you said meant anything to me? And to be truthful, it hasn't had the slightest bit of sway on what I believe or don't believe.

I am comfortable being me. If you want me to be like you, I feel sorry for you! And I can promise you that I certainly don't desire for you to be like me! We are all a part of a larger plan. Different but unique parts of the Body of Christ, and He counts us all as HIs. Special in our own way, and this body part, is not haughty when it comes to where I am positioned on or in, the body, so why don't you go back to being comfortable and content with where you have been placed, and stop worrying or being concerned about those, who like me, are in a different place on the body! God bless you Judith! We will be neighbors one day, so try to relax and enjoy this life and do your best to follow Him and less to influence me to live like you and believe like you! :smilewinkgrin:

It says a lot when a person admits to being comfrontable with being wrong and in sin. You are promoting false teachings with your claim to tongues.

 

[righteousdude2]

Ask me in Heaven If I Care?

It says a lot when a person admits to being comfrontable with being wrong and in sin. You are promoting false teachings with your claim to tongues.

Ask me if I really care what your opinion on this issue is? Sister, in case you didn't notice, your opinion is simialr to the bellybutton, everyone has one, so you tend to yours, and I'll tend to mine!

BTW - I'm not "comfrontable with being wrong", but with spell check available, I'd suggest you try using it! :laugh:

If nothing else, Judith, you are persistent, and I admire that! Kind of like the Mormons. They are wrong, but they keep on a knockin' and going door-to-door handing out their Book of Mormon. And like you commnets and views, it is free! :thumbs:

I do not know how you can say I am promoting fase teaching, when I don't care if anyone else has tongues. How can that be promoting. What you are doing is promoting a false, self induced gospel, based on personal bias and prejudice! You are actively pursuing me, and I not promoting anything to you. In fact I don't care if you ever speak in tongues ... it clearly doesn't upset me, like my talking in tongues is upsetting you! Get the picture sister and move on, in fact get a life!.

 

[Judith]

Ask me if I really care what your opinion on this issue is? Sister, in case you didn't notice, your opinion is simialr to the bellybutton, everyone has one, so you tend to yours, and I'll tend to mine!

BTW - I'm not "comfrontable with being wrong", but with spell check available, I'd suggest you try using it! :laugh:

If nothing else, Judith, you are persistent, and I admire that! Kind of like the Mormons. They are wrong, but they keep on a knockin' and going door-to-door handing out their Book of Mormon. And like you commnets and views, it is free! :thumbs:

I do not know how you can say I am promoting fase teaching, when I don't care if anyone else has tongues. How can that be promoting. What you are doing is promoting a false, self induced gospel, based on personal bias and prejudice! You are actively pursuing me, and I not promoting anything to you. In fact I don't care if you ever speak in tongues ... it clearly doesn't upset me, like my talking in tongues is upsetting you! Get the picture sister and move on, in fact get a life!.

I do not need an opinion when I have scripture. You are promoting a false teaching with a false gift.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I do not know how you can say I am promoting fase teaching, when I don't care if anyone else has tongues.

Well, the obvious question then is, why did you start this thread? Seems like you've spent a great deal of time defending something that doesn't matter to you.

 

[righteousdude2]

In Post #144 I said...

Well, the obvious question then is, why did you start this thread? Seems like you've spent a great deal of time defending something that doesn't matter to you.

If you were reading the comments, like you inferred, you would have CLEARLY seen the following, but I'll repost the paragraph and highlight what I said that you seemed to be asking and never found! THE REASON for this OP. And yes I defended my OP, but never once went after anyone for not doing as I do!

"Sure, some Pentecostals or Charismatic will make you feel like you are lacking, and they will argue and lay guilt trips on those lacking tongues....but you are not hearing that come from me, so who is all puffed up and judgmental, sister? It surely hasn't been me. Because you see, it doesn't matter to me if anyone on this board speaks in tongues or not! That is surely between them and God, like it is between me and God. It is no more my business than it is yours! I conducted this OP and poll, because I came across a Baptist curch that was promoting tongues, and I was interested to see if anyone on this board fell into that new group fo Baptists! I did not intend to question or judge anyone for not speaking in tongues! But like Paul I'd rather speak two words that acknowledge Jesus thant a hundred than no one could understand! And I sincerely say that! I am not using my gift to cause another to stumble ... and I am surely not lording my gift over anyone! And for sure, I am not proud of my gift ... just thankful for it along with the other gifts I have!"

I was wondering if any of the folks on the board either used tongues, or allowed it, and I got a small minority to honestly respond! And since I last discussed this, the group has grown from NONE to some (around 10%). That is a positive thing....Thanks for asking, I hoped this cleared up any confusion on your behalf! God bless!:smilewinkgrin:

 

[righteousdude2]

Correction....

I do not need an opinion when I have scripture. You are promoting a false teaching with a false gift.

We both have scripture ... we just don't agree on how it is to be interpreted! And once again, it is like beating a dead horse, and truthfully speaking, sister, it doesnt matter to me what you believe, but it seems to be killing you about how I believe. I say, live with it, because I am not a changin', and I can see you aren't either. I can live with that, but can you? BTW - If you respond to this I'll have your answer! :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Jerome]

Did you miss my question?

righteousdude2, how do you know that the sounds are a 'prayer language' and not an actual foreign language?

Could you please jot down the sounds you make and post it, maybe one of us could recognize the language.

 

[Yeshua1]

when the Lord saved me while in college, i went and membershipped in AoG church, spoke in 'tongues", used a lot in "prophecy" in local assembly, yet all the time, NEVER bought into second act of grace, tongues sign of baptizing in Holy Ghost etc!

never bought into WoF, demons in everything, name it claim it, and came to a head when a man came to me to have "persona; prophecy" over him, to get direction /will of God for his life, and the red alarm of the Spirit had me stop that, and we prayed together and sought Lord together inEnglish!

I then started diligent searching of scriptures, and arrived at where am now, attending Baptist church and accepting that theology!

train in AoG school, their doctrines/practices/Elder for 7 years, so know all of what you espouse, just recommend searching the scriptures and Lord open your eyes...

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

...Thanks for asking, I hoped this cleared up any confusion on your behalf! God bless!:smilewinkgrin:

Well, it doesn't. Here's why: Despite receiving a great deal of resistance and negative response, you chose to defend this questionable practice -- knowing it was questionable among the membership of this board before you posted it. Anger reared it's ugly head on both sides. People who have respected your posts have now called into question your theology. You have clung to the "rightness" of your views over the fellowship of the board.

So perhaps you can address those issues?

 

[Yeshua1]

Well, it doesn't. Here's why: Despite receiving a great deal of resistance and negative response, you chose to defend this questionable practice -- knowing it was questionable among the membership of this board before you posted it. Anger reared it's ugly head on both sides. People who have respected your posts have now called into question your theology. You have clung to the "rightness" of your views over the fellowship of the board.

So perhaps you can address those issues?

just seems like "going to stick to my beliefs" regardless what the bible actually teaches!

And also just a hint of since you don'thave my experiences, don't understand it!

 

[Judith]

We both have scripture ... we just don't agree on how it is to be interpreted! And once again, it is like beating a dead horse, and truthfully speaking, sister, it doesnt matter to me what you believe, but it seems to be killing you about how I believe. I say, live with it, because I am not a changin', and I can see you aren't either. I can live with that, but can you? BTW - If you respond to this I'll have your answer! :smilewinkgrin:

No, we both do not have scripture. You are changing and even adding to scripture to support a false belief. While you are being a false teacher of this false gift does not matter to you it does to me and everyone who holds to truth.

 

[Judith]

Did you miss my question?



Could you please jot down the sounds you make and post it, maybe one of us could recognize the language.

Or record it and post it and then we can get three interpreters and prove what is happening.

 

[righteousdude2]

Did you miss my question?



Could you please jot down the sounds you make and post it, maybe one of us could recognize the language.

Funny.....but sad at the same time!

 

[righteousdude2]

No, we both do not have scripture. You are changing and even adding to scripture to support a false belief. While you are being a false teacher of this false gift does not matter to you it does to me and everyone who holds to truth.

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Okay Judith ....if you want to win, YOU WIN!

 

[righteousdude2]

Well, it doesn't. Here's why: Despite receiving a great deal of resistance and negative response, you chose to defend this questionable practice -- knowing it was questionable among the membership of this board before you posted it. Anger reared it's ugly head on both sides. People who have respected your posts have now called into question your theology. You have clung to the "rightness" of your views over the fellowship of the board.

So perhaps you can address those issues?

Brother, God never said we'd always be popular. I do not do or say things to make others on this board like me! If we go around trying to please the multitudes, we are like those that hired teachers to tickle their ears! I am not going to tickle your ears or the ears of others in order to be respected or well liked.

My theology is not of man. It is what it is, and yours is what it is. No one on this board can please EVERYONE all the time, and if we set out to do that, then we will compromise what we personally hold to be true to us, and that makes us hypocrites.

I have not tried to react to anyone on this board out of anger. Contrary to that, I have told those who disagree with me that this is okay, I just want to believe as I believe, and they can do likewise.

If I have appeared angry or rude, or judgmental, I am sorry, as that has not been my intent at any time. I have merely stated what is true to me. And that is if tongue is not for you, that is fine. NO where in my posts, over the seven years I've been on this board, have I EVER once put anyone down; It called into question their faith or demanded or guilt tripped anyone into believing as I do!

If you can't believe that I posted this poll to see if attitudes have changed over the last few years, THAT is yours to believe ... I did post this poll to see what others believed, I did get a response that was well within what I had expected, and I can clearly see, that in the minds and hearts of some Baptists, the gifts, including tongues, is not the taboo it is once was.

For me that is goo, but you must also see that when I speak of tongues, I am not speaking of using them in church like many churches do. I am not saying that it is THE sign of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. I am not demanding that anyone believe as I do, but when called to share why I believed as I do, I did respond, BUT never tried to make another feel that they were teaching a false gospel, or that they were false themselves, UNLIKE what has been cast in my direction!

There has also been those, of late who have MOCKED me, and by mocking me, they are mocking the Father, and the Holy Ghost that I still believe gives tongues. Of course, if they want to mock God that is their choice.

Now as for you. If you lost respect for me, that is your right. People don't have to respect me, but it is a shame that you are allowing one thing that I believe and you don't beieve, to come between us.

SURELY, I AM NOT ALLOWING MY DIFFERENCES TO COME BETWEEN ANY OF YOU ON THIS BOARD. In fact, I still consider you my brothers and sisters, and should you have a need; I would be the first there to pray for you, and to answer your question on that, NO. I would not be praying in tongues around you or anyone else, because I would not want to offend you or cause you to be distracted and not focus and be able to agree with the words, I pray, in a language you understand.

I can't change how Judith sees or feels about me. I can't change how Jerome may feel. I certainly can't change your mind, but it doesn't matter to me if you no longer consider me a friend or brother, because I was trying to measure the depth of change regarding tongues in the Baptist organization.

I suggest what you and the others may be more upset with, than my witness to having a private prayer language and the desire to sing in tongues if led to, is that you saw on the poll, that approximately 10% of the respondents did admit to using, or accepting tongues in their fellowship! I submit to you that this is what bothers you more than anything else. And for that I am sorry! Nevertheless, this is a forum, and anything goes when it comes to topics. There is certainly nothing unsavory about my question, as it was to solicit conversation and conversation, it did solicit!

No, that you've your say, and I've had mine. lets let if rest. Tomorrow will be another day, and we will all be closer to entering glory, and isn't that what it's all about?

One last thought....you baptist diehards accuse the pentecosts and charismatics of being judgmental and stubborn. You accuse these believers of the "My way or the highway" theology! But, through all the pages of comments, it is not me, that is hardnosed, but you folks who think you have a corner on every truth. You are afraidn to allow change to filter in, as it might upset he religious applecarts you all have set up over the years. The truth is, because I stood my ground, and wouldn't budge, I've been accused of causing anger, etc., while in truth I have done my best to be humble and allow those with other opinions to have their say. I guess where I went wrong was I wasn't supposed to say how I felt when others accused me of false teaching! There is a limit to humility. Everyone has a right to rebuke, but I did so without accusing any of you of false teaching, and changing the Scripture. What a hypocritical approach to how this debate forum is to be played out.

I don't always agree with my brother Zaac, but in this case he is spot on ... it is ike the good ol' boys club, in that I'm told because I rocked the boat, a little, I lost repect in the eys of others! Well, that is yours to deal with. If you no longer respect me, I can't change that. But, it doesn't make a difference in what you once respected. That seems a little hypocritical. In other words, you like what I said and blieved until this one OP. Man give me a break. I don't live for your approval of disapproval! I live to please God. I care only about one persons approval in this life, and it isn't yours! If you happen to like and approve of what I say or believe, that is a perk. But it's not a "Deal breaker" if you break camp and run! :wavey:

 

[Jerome]

Could you please jot down the sounds you make and post it, maybe one of us could recognize the language.

Funny.....but sad at the same time!

How is that funny?

How is it sad?