Speaking in Tongues Volume 3...

[tamborine lady]

gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish .

That is for DHK, Hope of glory, Standing for christ, and all the others who love it so much,

And in conclusion, gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish.

If you must mock your brothers and sisters in Christ who are also Gods people, then by all means go for it.

Selah,

Tam

 

[Hope of Glory]

"Thou shalt not tempt the Lord your God"

That's the exact answer that I was expecting. That's the one that always comes up when put to the challenge.

This sign-gifts were given as signs of authenticity for the unbelieving. They were to be shown. So, either the person possessing the gift is unbelieving, or they are to be used for someone else.

If the speaking in tongues is for today, so is the drinking of poison and raising of the dead. I've never seen either, but I've seen plenty claim the "tongues".

And in every case but two, it's been some sort of gibberish that has been explained away as "tongues of angels", and in those two cases, they were real languages, and the so-called "interpreters" gave this wonder "praise God" message, but somone there who spoke the real language was able to say, "That's not what they're saying!" They were cursing God in another language.

 

[Ray Berrian]

Hope of Glory,

The Apostle Paul was bitten during his journey and never died. We are not to go out and look for trouble, but the Lord is saying that His special Providence surrounds each of His people.

 

[Ray Berrian]

DHK,

You said on this page 15 'You are playing the role of a prophet, a false one at that.'

The truth must be getting into some outer portions of your mind, because you are being more vicious.

I smiled when you called me a false prophet in spite of your esteemed standing as a Moderator. Are you setting the example for us? And since you are failing in this area, I repeat for all to read what I said previously:

'You are a bigot and have repeatedly,exposed yourself as one by your intolerance of other Biblical interpretations other than your weak defense of your erring view.

Go look up the word in Webster's Dictionary.

Berrian, Th.D.

 

[music4Him]

quote by DHK:
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Mark 16:17-18 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

These signs shall follow: casting out demons, speaking in new languages, taking up serpents, drinking poisionous things, healing the sick.
Do ALL of these things happen today. Can you readliy without fear guzzle down a can of draino, a half liter of HCL, etc.?
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What about Hydrolic fluid? Would that be deadly enough?


http://msds.ogden.disa.mil/msds/owa/web_msds.display?imsdsnr=194037

What if a Chirstian accidently drank some? Thats exsactly what happen to my sister when drinking her favorite soda. Upon calling the company and asking what it could be she was told there was a hydrolic leak in their equipment and it must of got shipped out (by mistake of course ). They told her it wouldn't hurt her....well after reading what the link says I have my reservations. We all prayed (in English and tongues!) and she didn't suffer with any problems. Of course we stood on God's word that says "if we drink any deadly thing it will not hurt us" and trusted God. Is standing on the Word like this wrong?
BTW, I will not drink Drano to prove anything to a man, but I believe that if there was an accidental (or sometimes pre meditated ) poisioning, then that would be a differnt story.

Also..... our bodies are the temple of God why would someone intentionally harm their body?

Selah~
Music4Him

 

[Hope of Glory]

Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
Hope of Glory,

The Apostle Paul was bitten during his journey and never died. We are not to go out and look for trouble, but the Lord is saying that His special Providence surrounds each of His people.

And when did this happen to Paul? It was before 64 AD, was it not?

Also, hydraulic oil used in food preparation has to be a food safe oil, just like other lubricants used in the process. I was a trainer for a national chain for several years, and the hydraulic oil that goes into your brakes is much different than the hydraulic oil that goes into your food preparation machinery.

Also, I know someone who was stung by a scorpion in the US. He gives much the same kind of testimony, except his wife neared death. He didn't like it when I pointed out to him that there aren't any deadly scorpions in the US, although some of the poisonous ones will make you wish you had died. (This excludes allergies.)

The ability to drink poison was given as a sign, and I have never, even after searching, found one single verifiable case in which someone using this as a sign drank a deadly poison and survived.

I've also never seen anyone raised from the dead.

Oh, I get it! Even though these things were given as signs, they're all secret and clandestine, except for the one thing, right?

 

[tamborine lady]

Still ridiculing people of God I see. Hope of Glory, what kind of person are you? Do you really enjoy making fun of people??

And about drinking poisen, do you think anybody in their right mind would do that ON PURPOSE??

What the bible is talking about in Mark is that God will protect people who do it accidently, just like Music said.

There is nowhere in the bible where it talks about people drinking poisen for a sign, so what makes you think that's what it means??

I think you've been in the great white north too long, maybe you need to come south and thaw out the old brain a bit!!



Peace,

Tam

 

[Hope of Glory]

What makes me think that this was one of the temporary signs that was given? Because it's on this list:

16:17
And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

16:18
they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by D28guy:
And all of that by people whith an agenda that is clearly to seek out those who werent healed and to publicise that in order to discredit these people.

Not true. You may thing that some IFB's have an agenda simply because they believe differently than you. Even that is not necessarily true. Putting that aside, CBC has done documentaries on individuals such as Benny Hinn and others. What do they have to lose? Nothing. They do documentaries on many individuals. If they are a success story on their own merit they publish their findings. If they are a fraud they publish. They are completely objective. They have nothing to gain or lose. They followed Hinn around for more than a week. They documented where he stayed, how much he spent, the response of his crusades, interviewed individuals at his crusades, who was not permitted to be "healed," returned to those who were "supposedly healed," etc. The found that not one of the individuals interviewed that Hinn declared was healed were ever healed. Hinn can't heal. He has never healed anyone. He is a complete fraud. They went to his $87 million dollar mansion looking off the coast of the Pacific Ocean in California, and made the comment how Hinn promised that every penny of his followers would go the ministry of the furtherance of the gospel. Not one cent would he keep for himself. What happened? Did this mansion just happen to fall out of the sky? Hinn does not make his financial records public as do other charitable organizations. He is a fraud.

What about Oral Roberts, another self-proclaimed faith-healer. Ever been to Tulsa Oklahoma? Oral Roberts claimed that God had called him to build a massive hospital. He was going to combine faith healing with conventional healing. You would be astonished at the facility that he built. It is a sixty-story building, and it sits in a lot over-grown with weeds. beside it sits another lagre 30 story building, completely vacant. Most of it is unfinished on the inside. What happened? Did God change his mind?
The fact is that these frauds, and others like them are a stench in the nostrils of the world, a blight on true Biblical Christianity, turning off the unsaved so that they would never go near Christianity nor touch it with a ten foot pole. Their constant beggary is a fiasco on TV, and the unsaved can see right through their three-ring circus. God help the poor deceived individuals who help to pack the wallets of these mercenary wolves who come as sheep to slaughter gullible Christians.

"It is sad that people like Peter Popoff is still on the air, night after night, selling his miracle water from Russia.

Peter Popoff is a phony. No doubt about that. But not all are like that. [/qb][/quote]
One of many, maybe hundreds.

"Those poor souls are sending money because they are being deceived. People are so gullible."

I personally know some people who have experienced 100% complete healing through having hands layed on them by those gifted in that area, and one while having her exact sickness literally disappear as it was spoken of by Pat Robertson. These people whom I know personally where not plaqued with some psychosymatic non-disease or anything like that.

God is able to heal through prayer and according to his will. I don't deny that. Are the people that you know personally (not just anecdotally), healed from organic diseases. Have you ever seen a lame man's leg restored. A man with a leg cut off grow back, a man who lost his hand restored with just a touch, a word of faith? Have you seen these type of miracles of healing take place? I doubt it.

They were literally very sick, and they were healed by faith in Jesus Christ. You can disbelieve to your hearts content, but I know these people, they are credible, they were sick, and they were miraculously healed.

Many people are very sick and get healed. I don't doubt that. But are they healed of organic diseases? Can you see broken arms instantly healed without time. It takes time to set the bones in an arm, and then the arm is healed. But Christ and the apostles healed instantly, with a word. Are organic ailments and people confined to wheelchairs: quadrapalegics for example healed?
DHK

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by tamborine lady:

gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish .

That is for DHK, Hope of glory, Standing for christ, and all the others who love it so much,

And in conclusion, gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish gibberish.

If you must mock your brothers and sisters in Christ who are also Gods people, then by all means go for it.

Selah,

Tam

And for sake of a better word what would you call it? Even the most scholarly of linguistics recognize that it is not a language. The Biblical gift of speaking in tongues were actual foreign languages.
"How hear we every man in our own language?"
"They spoke with other languages."
The Bible is very clear on this topic.
DHK

 

[tamborine lady]

Mark 16:17
And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

16:18
they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

# 1- we still have believers today, so the gifts still work!

# 2-It does NOT say they will pick up serpents on purpose, and it does not say they will drink poison on purpose.

To think otherwise is rediculous.

Selah,

Tam

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Ray Berrian:
DHK,

You said on this page 15 'You are playing the role of a prophet, a false one at that.'

The truth must be getting into some outer portions of your mind, because you are being more vicious.

I smiled when you called me a false prophet in spite of your esteemed standing as a Moderator. Are you setting the example for us? And since you are failing in this area, I repeat for all to read what I said previously:

'You are a bigot and have repeatedly,exposed yourself as one by your intolerance of other Biblical interpretations other than your weak defense of your erring view.

Go look up the word in Webster's Dictionary.

Berrian, Th.D.

Ray, your posts are completely slanderous. To be more objective I will call into this discussion another moderator, and see if your case should be taken up with the admimistration. Here is why:

1. Calling a person a bigot is completely out of line.
2. I referred to you as a false prophet because you were slandering me. You were claiming that you had personal information about me, and then posting it. The information that you posted was wrong. If you say something about me that is not true you take the positon (in the OT as a false prophet). The woman at the well recognized Jesus as at least a prophet and eventually as the Messiah. Consider the Samaritan woman:
John 4:29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?
--You have arrogantly assumed the same attitude?
Are you Christ and know all that I do and think?
DHK

 

[tamborine lady]

DHK said: And for sake of a better word what would you call it? Even the most scholarly of linguistics recognize that it is not a language. The Biblical gift of speaking in tongues were actual foreign languages.

Perhaps that is why the people who translated the KJV put the word "unknown" in? Because they understood that it was languages that no one knew, not just "foreign" languages.

Just a thought.

Peace,

Tam

 

[Ray Berrian]

DHK,

Is calling me, a brother in the Christian faith a false prophet fair to me?

Secondly, though I stand for what I see the Scripture saying, I do not discount that your view is one of many on the subject of I Corinthians 12 & 14.

This is what makes me different than you.

Regards,
"Ray"

 

[Diggin in da Word]

James 4:1 From where come wars and fightings among you? come they not from here, even of your lusts that war in your members?

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by tamborine lady:

DHK said: And for sake of a better word what would you call it? Even the most scholarly of linguistics recognize that it is not a language. The Biblical gift of speaking in tongues were actual foreign languages.

Perhaps that is why the people who translated the KJV put the word "unknown" in? Because they understood that it was languages that no one knew, not just "foreign" languages.

Just a thought.

Peace,

Tam

You are correct on both points (sort of)

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They wee languages that the speaker did not know, possibly many in the congregation did not know, but at least one or some in the congregation did know.
Thus the language was unknown to the speaker but known to the hearer (the number of which is irrelevant).
Secondly, they were always foreign languages miraculously given to the speaker for the benefir of either the entire congregation or at least some or part of the congregation--usually a Jew, for tongues was a sign to the Jew.
DHK

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by tamborine lady:

Mark 16:17
And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

16:18
they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

# 1- we still have believers today, so the gifts still work!

# 2-It does NOT say they will pick up serpents on purpose, and it does not say they will drink poison on purpose.

To think otherwise is rediculous.

Selah,

Tam

The verse says:
Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

It does not say "drink accidently."
To think otherwise is ridiculous. You cannot read into the Scriptures that which is not there; neither can you add to the Scriptures that which is not there. You must take the Scriptures at face value. It is evident that the verse does not apply to us today or we would have that power, but we don't.
DHK

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Good point, DHK.

I have been to funerals of people who have died from drinking a poisonous substance. People who claimed to be christian.

 

[music4Him]

Quote By Hope of Glory:
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Also, hydraulic oil used in food preparation has to be a food safe oil, just like other lubricants used in the process. I was a trainer for a national chain for several years, and the hydraulic oil that goes into your brakes is much different than the hydraulic oil that goes into your food preparation machinery.
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Then people could drink it and it wouldn't cause any stomach upset or cramps or diarrhea....it wouldn't hurt a body in no way? Hummmmmm then why don't someone figure out how to use it in cars and other machinery (Jaws of Life) So if a kid gets hold of it or a hose breaks you don't have to worry about it.


Quote By Hope of Glory:
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Oh, I get it! Even though these things were given as signs, they're all secret and clandestine, except for the one thing, right?
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Hey all I know is what I have seen. No where have a I ever seen anyone knowingly drink any type of poison. Theres a name for that and that is attempted suicide if they live! I suspect back in them old days people tried to poison people all the time to see if they were the real deal. I donno.... its just something I suspect? Just like when Paul was bitten by that snake that he shook off his hand it was accidental. The dead being raised....this has been documented. One you may remember about the baby that was brought into a hopstal room so the family members could say good bye. The they noticed the baby took a breath? I believe it was on one of them showes like thats incredible or something.
My sister had one leg shorter than the other and it grew out even with the other leg while being prayed for and other people seen it. Does that count?

 

[music4Him]

DHK said:
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The verse says:
Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

It does not say "drink accidently."
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No it don't say accidently, but you missed that big 2 letter word "if"....the rest says "they shall". So there should be a "they shall" be in place instead of that word "if".....if it is ok to drink poison.
So I has to be an accident or pre meditated by another person to harm the one that believe.