Sticks & Stones - Do You Stone The Sabbath Breaker? (Num 15:32-36)

[3rdAngel]

Dodging the question. The sky is blue is not going to give me YOUR answer.

Than do not do it. I have asked you multiple questions already before you have asked a single question and you have simply ignored them because they show why you are in error and deny God's Word. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

 

[utilyan]

Than do not do it. I have asked you multiple questions already before you have asked a single question.

No thats fine 3rdAngel, Is abortion murder? Evil can't say yes.


Is that burning cross on your profile a KKK thing too, you put those in front lawns? You prob can't answer this either.

 

[3rdAngel]

No thats fine 3rdAngel, Is abortion murder? Evil can't say yes.
Is that burning cross on your profile a KKK thing too, you put those in front lawns? You prob can't answer this either.

Let me know when you want to discuss the scriptures. I can understand why you refuse to do so.

 

[HankD]

Your denial of God's WORD only shows why you are in error. I will leave that between you and God as you have been given a knowledge of the truth and why you are in error but you do not believe it. Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear but will become our judge come judgment day JOHN 12:47-48.

maybe for you but as Jesus has promised i have passed from death unto life...

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

 

[Walter]

Let me know when you want to discuss the scriptures. I can understand why you refuse to do so.

We all know why you refuse to answer the question. Despite your insistence that we have provided 'misinformation', Adventists hospitals perform elective abortions day in and day out and have 'no official teaching' on the subject. Why is abortion ok with the SDA and Sunday worship not? Just answer the question: Is abortion murder? Yes or No?

 

[3rdAngel]

maybe for you but as Jesus has promised i have passed from death unto life... John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

According to God's Word, no one passes from death into life when they have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's WORD and willfully cotinue in sin because they reject the gift of Gods dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing . It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God * ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-39; 1 JOHN 2:3-4

 

[3rdAngel]

We all know why you refuse to answer the question. Despite your insistence that we have provided 'misinformation', Adventists hospitals perform elective abortions day in and day out and have 'no official teaching' on the subject. Why is abortion ok with the SDA and Sunday worship not? Just answer the question: Is abortion murder? Yes or No?

As posted earlier let me know when you have scripture to share and you want to talk about God's WORD. You refusal to do so only shows your in error and you do not know God's WORD.

 

[HankD]

According to God's Word, no one passes from death into life when they have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's WORD and willfully cotinue in sin because they reject the gift of Gods dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing . It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God * ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-39; 1 JOHN 2:3-4

I am sorry you find yourself in this fearful condition. I have passed from death unto life as He has promised.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Is Abortion Murder?

You still haven't defined "abortion" and leave it nebulous. I did:

Let us definitionally define "abortion":

"AN EXPLANATION OF MEDICAL TERMS USED IN THIS WORK, AND IN MEDICAL WORKS GENERALLY

... Abortion. A miscarriage, or producing a child before the natural time of birth. {1868 JNL, HBH 214.3} ..." - John Norton Loughborough, The Handbook of Health, page 214.3

Is a "miscarriage" a sin? (Depends on how it took place.) Is "producing a child before the natural time of birth" a sin? (did the child live? how did the event take place).

Therefore, in order for "abortion" to be "murder" the definition must be specific, and so here is a definition from Black's Law Dictionary:

"... ABORTION

The artificial or spontaneous termination of a pregnancy before the embryo or foetus can survive on its own outside a woman’s uterus. ..." - What is ABORTION? definition of ABORTION (Black's Law Dictionary)

"... MURDER

The crime committed where a person of sound mind and discretion (that is, of sufficient age to form and execute a criminal design and not legally “insane”) kills any human creature in being (excluding quick but unborn children) and in the peace of the state or nation (including all persons except the military forces of the public enemy in time of war or battle) without any warrant, justification, or excuse in law. with malice aforethought, express or implied, that is, with a deliberate purpose or a design or determination distinctly formed in the mind before the commission of the act, provided that death results from the injury Inflicted within one year and a day after its infliction. See Kilpatrick v. Com., 31 Pa. 19S; Llotema v. U. S., 186 U. S. 413. 22 Sup. Ct 895, 46 L. Ed. 1225; Guiteau’s Case (D. C.) 10 Fed. 101; Clarke v. State. 117 Ala. 1, 23 South. 071, 67 Am. St. I top. 157; People v. Enoch, 13 Wend. (N. Y.) 167. 27 Am. Dec. 107; Kent v. People, 8 Colo. 5(13. 9 Pac. 852; Com. v. Webster, 5 Cush. (Mass.) 205. 52 Am. Dec. 711; Armstrong v. State. 30 Fla. 170. 11 South. 618. 17 L. R. A. 4S4; U. S. v. Lewis (C. C.) Ill Fed. 632; Nye v. People. 35 Mich. 16. For the distinction between murder and manslaughter and other forms of homicide, see HOMICIDE; MANSLAUGHTER. Common-law definitions. The willful killing of any subject whatever, with malice aforethought, whether the person slain shall be an Englishman or a foreigner. Hawk. P. C. b. 1, c. 13...." - What is MURDER? definition of MURDER (Black's Law Dictionary)

So, legally and medically speaking, a woman who was injured in a fall (accidental) and so has an abortion (miscarry), is that murder? No.

So, to continue to ask, "Is abortion murder?" is so broad in scope (undefined) as to include both answers of 'yes' and 'no', depending on definition and situation. It is in effect a useless question (as far as attempting to determine the position of someone).

 

[Alofa Atu]

That moderation continues to allow the complete derailing of an OP, knowingly (over and over again, even when appealed and when asked in thread for it to cease), is quite a statement in regards this board's integrity and standards. I personally think it shameful and disgraceful. Say what you will after the facts.

There is still an open thread on this subject, and ought to have been discussed there. - Roman Catholicism and the total abuse & murder of children (incl. abortion).

 

[3rdAngel]

I am sorry you find yourself in this fearful condition. I have passed from death unto life as He has promised.

I do not or do I need to be fearful as I believe and follow God's WORD. It is God's WORD (not me) that says it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God when we have been given a knowledge of the truth and turn away from it in order to practice sin HEBREWS 10:26-39. Only Gods' WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

 

[HankD]

I do not or do I need to be fearful as I believe and follow God's WORD. It is God's WORD (not me) that says it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God when we have been given a knowledge of the truth and turn away from it in order to practice sin HEBREWS 10:26-39. Only Gods' WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

Good.

 

[Adonia]

There is no scripture not a single one that says God's 4th Commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day

No one has said this day has been abolished - for the Jews it is still in effect!

1. WHERE DID THE APOSTLE PETER according to you teach anyone that Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday (the first day of the week) as a Holy day?

In St. Peters day there were no Scriptures as we now know them, so he (and the other Apostles) just did it and the other Christians followed their lead. (Sunday worship in, Saturday worship out).

2. WHERE DOES IT SAY in God's WORD that Peter can change God's 4th commandment which is a memorial of creation and one of the 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken

I quoted the appropriate Scripture earlier. It was not just one thing that St. Peter could change under the "bind and loose" doctrine - but everything that he saw fit to change.

3. WHICH SCRIPTURE have you provided in John 20:21-23; Ephesians 2:13-15; Acts 20:7 and I Corinthians 16:1-2 says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a Holy day?

I posted that too, but you can't see the forest for the trees. The 7th day Sabbath was not abolished for the Jews, for them it remains in effect. For the Christian however it is a new day, Sunday (Son-day) the new day of worship for God Incarnate who came to earth. He is the loving God, quite unlike the old God that you worship

 

[Alofa Atu]

...I posted that too, but you can't see the forest for the trees. The 7th day Sabbath was not abolished for the Jews, for them it remains in effect. For the Christian however it is a new day, Sunday (Son-day) the new day of worship for God Incarnate who came to earth. He is the loving God, quite unlike the old God that you worship

So, since you mention 'old God', you must worship a new god:

Deu_32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
Jdg_5:8 They chose new gods; then was war in the gates: was there a shield or spear seen among forty thousand in Israel?

 

[3rdAngel]

Good.

Good for those who believe and follow God's WORD not so good for those who do not believe and do not follow.

 

[Adonia]

So, since you mention 'old God', you must worship a new god:

Deu_32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
Jdg_5:8 They chose new gods; then was war in the gates: was there a shield or spear seen among forty thousand in Israel?

Yes, the God of love, not the OT God who killed, sent pestilences, etc. Jesus as God Incarnate had so much love He laid down His life for us. Quite unlike the OT God, don't you think?

Now don't forget to comment on my new thread about circumcision, can't wait to hear what you have to say.

 

[3rdAngel]

No one has said this day has been abolished - for the Jews it is still in effect!

RUBBISH! According to God's Word (not mine) JESUS made the SABBATH for ALL mankind *MARK 2:27. There was no JEWS and no ISRAEL when the SABBATH was made for man.

In St. Peters day there were no Scriptures as we now know them, so he (and the other Apostles) just did it and the other Christians followed their lead. (Sunday worship in, Saturday worship out).

We have the scriptures today and we have no excuse not to believe and not to follow them.

I quoted the appropriate Scripture earlier. It was not just one thing that St. Peter could change under the "bind and loose" doctrine - but everything that he saw fit to change.

No you didn't. WHERE DOES IT SAY in God's WORD that Peter changed God's 4th commandment which is a memorial of creation and one of the 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken

I posted that too, but you can't see the forest for the trees. The 7th day Sabbath was not abolished for the Jews, for them it remains in effect. For the Christian however it is a new day, Sunday (Son-day) the new day of worship for God Incarnate who came to earth. He is the loving God, quite unlike the old God that you worship

No you simply posted scripture that did not support what you were claiming. WHICH SCRIPTURE have you provided in John 20:21-23; Ephesians 2:13-15; Acts 20:7 and I Corinthians 16:1-2 says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a Holy day? NONE! Now if you have NO SCRIPTURE for your teaching and tradition that breaks the commandments of God and JESUS says all those who follow man made traditions and teachings that break the commandments of GOD, who are you following, God or man?

God's Sheep Head his Voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who are not God's Sheep do not hear and do not follow. *JOHN 10:1-10; JOHN 10:26-39

 

[HankD]

Good for those who believe and follow God's WORD not so good for those who do not believe and do not follow.

so you are judge of all mankind.

be careful.

 

[3rdAngel]

so you are judge of all mankind.

be careful.

No I do not judge you. God's WORD is our judge and that is all I have shared with you. Please read JOHN 12:47-48. Do you believe it?

 

[Alcott]

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ [Colossians 2:16-17].

Let's see if he tries to add to the Word and judge anyone with this.