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Stranger accused of slapping crying child in store

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annsni

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I'll tell you what happened to me:

I was away with the church youth group and my son was almost 14 months old. He ended up really cranky then I took his temp and he was 103 so off to the local clinic we went. Turns out he had bronchitis and a double ear infection, poor kid. He was miserable. We had to sit at the clinic for 3 hours since were were not normal patients and he was really not feeling well. Once we got our prescriptions, we had to go to KMart where it seemed EVERYONE was sick. It was a simple amoxicillin prescription and I asked if they could possibly rush it since he was now at a 104 temp and really miserable but they wouldn't do it. I bought some baby tylenol and dosed him up as we had to walk for 45 minutes before we got our prescription. I had so many nasty looks because my son was MISERABLE and often crying, but there was nothing I could do to soothe him. I couldn't even carry him for that long at the time because my carpal tunnel was in full swing and I had no strength in my left hand at all.

So what other people saw was a mother walking around with a dazed look and a screaming child. What they didn't see was the story behind it. It was not a lazy mother or a spoiled child by any stretch. I've always given the mother the benefit of the doubt when a child is screaming unless I see other behavior that doesn't belong (such as when a parent is being verbally abusive).

Additionally, we need to remember that not all disabilities are visible to the naked eye and a child who has autism or other mental disability will act out in such a way that is not normal - and no one would have a clue that the 7 year old who was kicking and screaming actually had the mentality of a 12 month old and mom just desperately needed to get some food into the house but had no childcare so she HAD to take the child with her.

Let's try to be a little compassionate. Hey - if you have ideas, share them. "Oh, when my kids had a temper tantrum like that, one time I asked the cashier to watch my groceries so I could sit in the car until he calmed down. It really worked well." or "He might be just needing a little snuggle before you move on. It's OK to stop and sit with him. It will only take a couple of minutes." I've had people do this for me and it's so appreciated because sometimes I just get so small-focused that I forget the big picture.

As to the OP? I hope he goes to jail. Touch my child and you die. Period.
 

Johnv

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I'm not against corporal punishment (within limits, of course). The notion of a stranger spaking my kids is the kid of thing that would land me in jail... for assaulting the person who put his/her hands on my kid.
 

annsni

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:applause:

My wife wouldn't hurt a fly. I suspect you wouldn't either.

Unless...

Well, flies don't have a chance. I DO train horses after all.

But I'm very non-confrontational. I'd never hurt another human being.

Unless.....you get between me and my kids. Just call me "Mama Bear".
 

pinoybaptist

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According to Aaron's doctrine this child is a grievous sinner. The old man was probably an instrument in the hands of God to punish this sinning 2 year old.

God's absolute predestination in plain view here, Old Regular.
That man was raised by God to be at that very store at that very time so he could be the instrument to show that mother proper parenting procedures.
 

Robert Snow

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In Texas, she could have shot him with impunity.

If he's crazy enough to assault a toddler in public, she could easily make a case for shooting him. It was the act of a dangerous, possibly unbalanced man.

Being a Texan I agree completely. I don't have a carry license, yet, but in a case like this if the mother had shot and killed this fool.

If this manic was this brazen in public, I can only imagine what he would be capable of in the privacy of his own home.
 

Revmitchell

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This fella would be in the hospital before he could get to jail. I have a very low threshhold for those that mistreat children. Very low
 

carpro

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Being a Texan I agree completely. I don't have a carry license, yet, but in a case like this if the mother had shot and killed this fool.

If this manic was this brazen in public, I can only imagine what he would be capable of in the privacy of his own home.

I do have a CHL. I would be on shaky ground if I shot him. I'm a fairly large man and a case could be made for some other less extreme action.

But a woman...defending her child. No question. She gets off scott free..
 

Aaron

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IOW you have no evidence. . .
Nothing conclusive. From the beginning I said I could be wrong, but not likely.

. . . just a warped opinion and you're starting to run backwards on the implications of your comments.
Didn't go back on anything I said or implied. You just found there was nothing in my comments upon which you could pin your allegations.

I think the mother is a numbskull, doesn't discipline her child, and a 61-year-old creep took matters into his own hands. The problem isn't in what I said, the problem is in YOU. YOU think that if the mother was somewhat at fault it would mitigate the situation, and you projected that into what I said.
 

annsni

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Nothing conclusive. From the beginning I said I could be wrong, but not likely.

Didn't go back on anything I said or implied. You just found there was nothing in my comments upon which you could pin your allegations.

I think the mother is a numbskull, doesn't discipline her child, and a 61-year-old creep took matters into his own hands. The problem isn't in what I said, the problem is in YOU. YOU think that if the mother was somewhat at fault it would mitigate the situation, and you projected that into what I said.

How do you know the mother doesn't discipline her child? A screaming child happens in the most disciplined of children - especially at around that age. What if the child were ill, as I mentioned? What if the child were autistic?? How does a screaming child reflect on the discipline of the parents?
 

Tom Bryant

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Because he assumes that it does. He assumes that single parents don't discipline... That the mother wasn't a good parent... that even though he admits he may be wrong, he knows he isn't.

That's how he knows.:sleep:
 

tinytim

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Aaron, you are slowly becoming more and more like Sanderson and Phelps...

It is sad to see you sliding down this hate filled slope...
 

Aaron

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How do you know the mother doesn't discipline her child?
I don't. I strongly suspect it because of items in post # 18.

A screaming child happens in the most disciplined of children - especially at around that age.
That's true, and disciplined parents will respond by removing an unruly child from the scene.

What if the child were ill, as I mentioned? What if the child were autistic??
I would put money on the chance that if that were the case, it would have been reported to further highlight the heinous nature of the crime. The AP speaks volumes with the things it doesn't report.
 

Aaron

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I live next door to some unruly children. The youngest, 3, was running toward the road, and though the parents screamed for him to stop, he didn't, because he is undisciplined. His parents, by their lack of discipline, taught him that he didn't need to obey.

A car was speeding by . . . . .



































. . . about an half-hour later. Fortunately it wasn't speeding by when the little terror ran right out into the middle of the street.

By the age of three, if I hollered "stop" to my girls, they stopped.

Folks who don't discipline their children endanger them. And I think the case in the OP is one such occassion.
 

matt wade

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By the age of three, if I hollered "stop" to my girls, they stopped.

Folks who don't discipline their children endanger them. And I think the case in the OP is one such occassion.

You can have your opinions and make assumptions on the woman in the story, so I can have opinions and make assumptions about you.

Somehow I get the feeling that your kids would stop, not because of a healthy discipline you instilled in them, but because they were deathly afraid of you.

At the age of three, my kids may not have stopped immediately if I yelled stop. That's because normally well behaved and disciplined chidren sometimes just don't listen. A child that lives in constant fear, however, will listen immediately because they fear for their well being and safety. Unfortunately I think that is the situation in your household.
 
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Magnetic Poles

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The mother should have taken the girl out to the car and given her something to cry about. It would have prevented the assault.
Typical Aaron...blame the victim. A 2 year old baby girl being assaulted by a 61 year old man is not a fair fight. Maybe if she were still a fetus, Aaron would take up for her.
 
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EdSutton

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I'm also 61 years old (and have recently found out I have terminal and inoperable cancer) but had I been on the scene, someone would have definitely had "something to cry about," and it would have been one of two 61 year old males, not some 2 year old toddler!

My sturdy wooden cane would have come in quite handy, I suggest. :(

Lady Eagle, Frogman, or Squire Robersson; Page 4; "Where are you?" ;)

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Aaron

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You can have your opinions and make assumptions on the woman in the story, so I can have opinions and make assumptions about you.
No need to assume. Ask me questions, and I'll answer them to any extent that doesn't violate my privacy.

Somehow I get the feeling that your kids would stop, not because of a healthy discipline you instilled in them, but because they were deathly afraid of you.
Disciplined toddlers will stop for fear of punishment, that's true. That's the ONLY reason a toddler will obey a prohibition. But "deathly afraid" is too strong an adjective. Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him.

At the age of three, my kids may not have stopped immediately if I yelled stop. That's because normally well behaved and disciplined chidren sometimes just don't listen.
I didn't cite an instance of simply not listening. I cited a case of defiance. The child ran toward the road because his father told him to "come here." But, besides, not only are disobedient toddlers common-place, so are foolish parents, and only foolish parents would not immediately correct defiant behavior in a toddler.

A child that lives in constant fear, however, will listen immediately because they fear for their well being and safety.
That's not true. Abused children are some of the most disobedient and maladjusted kids you can come accross.

My oldest is an active, straight-A student in public highschool, and is active in the Youth Leadership Council taking part in bi-monthly meetings with the Chamber of Commerce and other community organizations advising on and recommending the disbursement of donations. She is well-known and sought out by the school administration to operate in many leadership roles.

My second is in her mid-teens and still homeschooled by her own choice. She was recruited to watch one of the little terrors from next door until his school bus arrives. (I'll promise you he behaves himself at MY house.) She also mows lawns for the older folks in our neighborhood, and has done so for free for one widow who was just diagnosed with cancer this year. She has the respect of practically every adult in the neighborhood. That can't be said for any other child on my block.

My fouth-grader is advancing in piano and is achieving way beyond her grade level in math.

Unfortunately I think that is the situation in your household.
Well, you're not alone, but your only friends in that respect are folks on this board.

Shoot, they think the Duggars are abusing their children, and the whole world is watching them.
 
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TC

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Walmart is a big store. All that old man had to do is walk away. He did not need to follow them around and cause any trouble. That man showed absolutely no discipline himself. I am surprised that Aaron did not say anything negative about his parents.
 
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