Successful Evangelism

[HankD]

Here is Unomatsu, who was a machine gunner for the Japanese in WW2. He was saved at age 92. What glorifies God more, this salvation or 8 years of no one saved?

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Once there was hate, now God's love has been shed in our brother's heart!

Psalm 106
1 Praise ye the LORD. O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.
2 Who can utter the mighty acts of the LORD? who can shew forth all his praise?

HankD

 

[John of Japan]

Big difference between a full time missionary and a street evangelist! I am a laymen and who hits the street once a month these days. You are also in an area open to the gospel while Denver Colorado is not. Do you know how many progressive churches are in this area?

My Dad pastored in a suburb of Denver for five years. His little soul-winning NT has hash marks for 81 saved during that time.

And I guarantee you that Denver is nowhere as near Gospel-resistant as Japan is. As far as "progressive churches," that is completely unrelated. I counter with, do you know how few churches of any kind there are in any city in Japan?

According to the yellow pages (http://www.yellowpages.com/denver-co/baptist-churches) there are at least 116 Baptist churches in Denver. According to a church survey years ago, there were only 126 Baptist/Mennonite churches in all of Hokkaido, Japan, where I ministered. Sapporo alone has 1 million people, and my city had 320,000 with only five Baptist churches (one of them liberal, denying Hell). So don't you dare tell me how "hard" it is in Denver to see people saved.

 

[evangelist6589]

My Dad pastored in a suburb of Denver for five years. His little soul-winning NT has hash marks for 81 saved during that time.

And I guarantee you that Denver is nowhere as near Gospel-resistant as Japan is. As far as "progressive churches," that is completely unrelated. I counter with, do you know how few churches of any kind there are in any city in Japan?

According to the yellow pages (http://www.yellowpages.com/denver-co/baptist-churches) there are at least 116 Baptist churches in Denver. According to a church survey years ago, there were only 126 Baptist/Mennonite churches in all of Hokkaido, Japan, where I ministered. Sapporo alone has 1 million people, and my city had 320,000 with only five Baptist churches (one of them liberal, denying Hell). So don't you dare tell me how "hard" it is in Denver to see people saved.

Yes and how many of those are progressive Baptist churches? I.e. American Baptists?

 

[evangelist6589]

You are simply giving excuses for your lack of victory in Christ. I said at the beginning of this thread that if one has not seen God at work he should not answer this thread, but only ask questions. Have you ever truly seen God at work in the lives of others? If not, be quiet here, get on your knees, and pray for victory.

And once again, I am not talking about human results here, I am talking about God at work through us. Stop insisting on making this about human efforts and results. This thread is about the mighty power of God, not human pragmatism, which I loathe.

You confuse the terms mentioned here. God blesses obedience and the results are all up to him.

 

[annsni]

You confuse the terms mentioned here. God blesses obedience and the results are all up to him.

So does God produce results when the Word is faithfully given?

 

[HankD]

You confuse the terms mentioned here. God blesses obedience and the results are all up to him.

Indeed they are.

HankD

 

[John of Japan]

Yes and how many of those are progressive Baptist churches? I.e. American Baptists?

To my knowledge, there is not a single American Baptist church on the whole island. But that is completely irrelevant to this thread, which is about the power of God in saving sinners.

 

[John of Japan]

You confuse the terms mentioned here. God blesses obedience and the results are all up to him.

And you completely confuse the meaning of this thread, which is about the mighty power of God in saving sinners. If you have never seen God work in this way, every single comment you make here is irrelevant.

 

[Don]

Big difference between a full time missionary and a street evangelist! I am a laymen and who hits the street once a month these days. You are also in an area open to the gospel while Denver Colorado is not. Do you know how many progressive churches are in this area?

Pay attention to what was written, especially in the post immediately after the one you commented on: "And this was in a Gospel resistant country with only 0.5% born again." You think Denver is not open to the gospel? Japan's primary religions are Shinto and Buddhism. Most Japanese identify themselves as atheists, irreligious, or claim a mash-up of several different religions. You have NO idea what "not open to the gospel" really means.

You speak defensively, from a position of ignorance. And you still fall into the same tired routine of making excuses and telling people to read/watch other sources (such as your reference to a DVD), rather than defend your position yourself. You know why? Because you can't. You can only parrot what you've read in a book, or seen on a video; and worse, only those books/videos that you agree with. You have no true understanding.

I know I'm being harsh once again. In the past, I've tried to start gentle, with patience and understanding; progressing through your continued excuses and "reasons" why whatever's suggested to you won't work for you; and only accepting opinions and advice that somewhat agree with what you wanted to believe--and more importantly, what YOU wanted to do--in the first place.

I believe you're saved, John. I just don't believe you have the capacity to actually think for yourself. It's either that, or you're a brilliant troll who just likes to create message board drama.

And with that, I'm placing you on permanent "ignore"; and I recommend you do the same to me.

 

[InTheLight]

God blesses obedience and the results are all up to him.

How does God bless obedience in witnessing? Wouldn't the fact that some people become disciples be the best evidence of obedience?

I don't understand this idea that God wants us to be obedient witnesses and never see any fruit. What, did God decide in eternity past that the elect and your witnessing efforts would never cross paths?

 

[TCassidy]

Fruit is the fruits of the spirit and the testimony of our lives. Fruit has nothing to do with how many respond and get saved because that is up to God. God will draw the elect at his own timing and we have no control over this. We grow in the faith and bear fruit and this pleases God.

I'm going to give you a little hint.

What kind of fruit does an apple tree produce? (Hint: An apple.)

What kind of fruit does an orange tree produce? (Hint: An orange.)

What kind of fruit does a pear tree produce? (Hint: A pear.)

What kind of fruit does a Christian produce? (Hint: A __________.)

 

[TCassidy]

God blesses obedience and the results are all up to him.

So, it's God's fault nobody is getting saved?

 

[InTheLight]

So, it's God's fault nobody is getting saved?

Or maybe it's that obedience thingy?

 

[evangelist6589]

So, it's God's fault nobody is getting saved?

It's Gods sovereign choice and this is the reason we evangelize. We evangelize to glorify God and to serve him.

Refer to Chosen by God by RC Sproul for more details.

 

[Revmitchell]

Those who tell the gospel but do not disciple those who are won are disobedient.

 

[TCassidy]

It's Gods sovereign choice and this is the reason we evangelize. We evangelize to glorify God and to serve him.

Refer to Chosen by God by RC Sproul for more details.

Refer to your bible.

Matthew 28:19 Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you.

 

[John of Japan]

It's Gods sovereign choice and this is the reason we evangelize. We evangelize to glorify God and to serve him.

Refer to Chosen by God by RC Sproul for more details.

Answers to prayer glorify God. Souls saved glorify God. How does seeing no one saved glorify God?

And don't tell me obedience alone. Obedience to the great commission involves making disciples according to Matt. 28:18, where "teach all nations" in the KJV means "make disciples," as you must know, having 20 books on evangelism. And making disciples means the power of God, which again, is what this thread is about.

To sum up. (1) The Christian wants to obey the Great Commission and make disciples. (2) He learns his own bankruptcy and inability to make disciples by himself, by simply getting the Gospel out. (3) He learns of the mighty power of God to save souls through the Holy Spirit empowering the believer, and finally begins to see people saved. And glorifies God through the miracles of salvation that occur.

 

[evangelist6589]

Answers to prayer glorify God. Souls saved glorify God. How does seeing no one saved glorify God?

And don't tell me obedience alone. Obedience to the great commission involves making disciples according to Matt. 28:18, where "teach all nations" in the KJV means "make disciples," as you must know, having 20 books on evangelism. And making disciples means the power of God, which again, is what this thread is about.

To sum up. (1) The Christian wants to obey the Great Commission and make disciples. (2) He learns his own bankruptcy and inability to make disciples by himself, by simply getting the Gospel out. (3) He learns of the mighty power of God to save souls through the Holy Spirit empowering the believer, and finally begins to see people saved. And glorifies God through the miracles of salvation that occur.

Souls saved does glorify God. However he chooses when that will happen and if it will happen. I have no control over when, how, and if they are saved as it's all up to Gods sovereign choice in salvation.

“What predestination means, in its most elementary form, is that our final destination, heaven or hell, is decided by God not only before we get there, but before we are even born. It teaches that our ultimate destiny is in the hands of God.”

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So to sum it up.

A person that sees 100 saved may or may not be glorifying God, and a person that sees no one saved may or may not be glorifying God.

 

[John of Japan]

Souls saved does glorify God. However he chooses when that will happen and if it will happen. I have no control over when, how, and if they are saved as it's all up to Gods sovereign choice in salvation.

“What predestination means, in its most elementary form, is that our final destination, heaven or hell, is decided by God not only before we get there, but before we are even born. It teaches that our ultimate destiny is in the hands of God.”

Excerpt From: R. C. Sproul. “Essential Truths of the Christian Faith.” Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., 2010-11-29. iBooks.
This material may be protected by copyright.

Check out this book on the iBooks Store: https://itun.es/us/bNaaC.l

I have absolutely no interest in the views of Sproul or you on predestination. By continually going there, all you are doing is proving that your brand of Calvinism mitigates against soul-winning, unlike that of Spurgeon. God uses humans to win souls. Period. End of story.

This thread is about the power of God in saving souls through us, and that is 100% Biblical because the Bible says in Romans 10, "13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"

You have been arguing against God in every post, not against me.

 

[evangelist6589]

I have absolutely no interest in the views of Sproul or you on predestination. By continually going there, all you are doing is proving that your brand of Calvinism mitigates against soul-winning, unlike that of Spurgeon. God uses humans to win souls. Period. End of story.

This thread is about the power of God in saving souls through us, and that is 100% Biblical because the Bible says in Romans 10, "13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?"

You have been arguing against God in every post, not against me.

Oh no we love evangelism! But we do it simply out of obedience to God and to glorify God.