Suicide and does it guarantee....

[matt wade]

You still aren't looking at the whole picture.

You aren't taking into account the facts that more men than women commit suicide. More men are vets. When you look at total population and the averages are pulled down by the lower female rates, of course the vet rates will be higher with the higher male rates.

You can't just look at percentages and statistics without taking all the variables into account. You take too simplistic a view.

 

[corndogggy]

You still aren't looking at the whole picture.

You aren't taking into account the facts that more men than women commit suicide. More men are vets. When you look at total population and the averages are pulled down by the lower female rates, of course the vet rates will be higher with the higher male rates.

You can't just look at percentages and statistics without taking all the variables into account. You take too simplistic a view.

Lets be as exact and as fair as possible then.

Young veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan have a suicide rate of 79.1 per 100,000. The young male civilian population of the same sex and age group has a rate of 25 per 100,000.

This number jumped 33 per 100,000 in just three years.

What's scary is that not all of them are counted as vets. Many who are not enrolled with the VA are counted as civilians. 60% of young vets are not enrolled. It is up to the coroner to report such things. He has to have good information and permission to do so. Homeless people often don't get counted as vets for example.

Attempt to do some weird magic on these numbers all you want but you can't explain this away with your previous argument.

 

[matt wade]

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/dec/20/science/la-sci-sn-veteran-suicide-statistics-20131219

 

[corndogggy]

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/dec/20/science/la-sci-sn-veteran-suicide-statistics-20131219

http://backhome.news21.com/article/suicide/

http://backhome.news21.com/interactive/suicide-interactive/

Here is lots of raw data, interactive charts, even a download with Excel spreadsheets detailing everything you can possibly imagine from every angle, covering every state. It's broken down by age, gender, growth rate, state, etc.

What's interesting is that if you look at California, as this reporter points out, yes the young vet population who is committing suicide is in fact very low, almost nonexistent. The only ones doing it is the older vets, and the stats start to look like the rest of society.

The mistake is to take this one state and apply it to the entire country, which is exactly what this reporter did. It is intellectually dishonest to do this yet ignore Texas, Michigan, North Carolina, and Montana, where these rates for younger vets and even vets in general are MUCH higher. On several states, the general rate is around or almost 50% higher than California, and the difference in the numbers for young vets is just ridiculous.

 

[corndogggy]

Interesting, and fitting.

http://pastors.com/robin-williams-s...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

"For some reason, especially in the church, we often judge people who are mentally ill as making poor choices in their lives or somehow not fully trusting in God. It’s almost as if physical impairments can’t be helped, but mental impairments just require people to simply try harder. If trying hard cured mental illness, then mental illness would be cured, because I don’t ‘know of anyone who tries harder to fit in or just function than people who struggle with these diseases."

 

[corndogggy]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/katie...ide_b_5672519.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

 

[righteousdude2]

This is for you, when no one else is around to do it ....

I have LITERALLY had to cut Christians down out of trees from trying to kill themselves. I have wrestled people from one end of house to the other to keep them from slitting their wrists while trying to call 911 and hold them down at the same time. Gosh there's been so many that at times I have felt like "okay enough with this whole ministry thing".

I don't want you to feel that your good works were overlooked. So here is an idea that will get you that Baptist Board, well, you know .... the proverbial pat on the back! You deserve a PAT today!!!!

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[corndogggy]

I have LITERALLY had to cut Christians down out of trees from trying to kill themselves. I have wrestled people from one end of house to the other to keep them from slitting their wrists while trying to call 911 and hold them down at the same time. Gosh there's been so many that at times I have felt like "okay enough with this whole ministry thing".

As mentioned above, kudos and all, but if it is as many as you let on and you were there when they were attempting it, that brings up a lot of questions. The only people I've heard of with that much luck are the people who dedicate their lives to searching for people in the Aokigahara Forest or Tōjinbō cliffs in Japan. Kind of surprised you were actually there during the attempt from apparently tons of people who were apparently in your own congregation, at random places and times.