Sunday Attire?

[jbh28]

I know I'll be called a Pharisee and a legalist for this, but I believe we should dress for church as if we're going to church.

There are 168 hours in a week and some people can't even dress for two hours in such a way that shows that they're participating in something that is different from the other 168 hours.

What about people that wear a suit and tie to work every day? Also, was this also true back when people wore ties even to their neighbors house(think "I Love Lucy") or even when men wore suits to baseball games. Gasp, men used to wear the same thing to church that they wore to a ball game.

As I mentioned earlier, dress what you believe is appropriate. It has nothing to do with you spiritually. Saying we have to dress differently from other activities shows a major lack of the history of dress. We worship God(or we should be) every day in "non-Sunday" dress. God isn't displeased with that.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

As I mentioned earlier, dress what you believe is appropriate. It has nothing to do with you spiritually. Saying we have to dress differently from other activities shows a major lack of the history of dress.

It also shows that you don't see the difference between those activities.

 

[jbh28]

It also shows that you don't see the difference between those activities.

Not at all. I do see a difference. I believe you missed my point.

Here it is again...

What about people that wear a suit and tie to work every day? Also, was this also true back when people wore ties even to their neighbors house(think "I Love Lucy") or even when men wore suits to baseball games. Gasp, men used to wear the same thing to church that they wore to a ball game.

My point is that there is a difference in going to a baseball game and gathering with other believers for worship. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I didn't. What I was pointing out is that there is nothing biblical in saying that one has to "dress up" to gather with other believers for worship.

People used to wear the same thing to work as they do church(and many still do). People used to wear the same thing to a baseball game as they did to church. Very different activities, but same dress.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Not at all. I do see a difference. I believe you missed my point.

Yeah, I don't believe you guys are the sharpest knives in the drawer, either.

What about people that wear a suit and tie to work every day?

A suit and tie to work? Huh. That's weird. Why don't they just dress casually, like they're going to your church? Oh, wait! I think I know! Maybe, and bear with me on this, but maybe they think the way they dress sends a message.

Also, was this also true back when people wore ties even to their neighbors house(think "I Love Lucy") or even when men wore suits to baseball games. Gasp, men used to wear the same thing to church that they wore to a ball game.

Well, good for them.

My point is that there is a difference in going to a baseball game and gathering with other believers for worship.

I'm glad you noticed. Going by your posts, I wasn't sure you could.

What I was pointing out is that there is nothing biblical in saying that one has to "dress up" to gather with other believers for worship.

What is Biblical is that our attitude toward church should be reverent and that, in our culture, one way reverence is displayed is through the way we dress.

 

[michael-acts17:11]

The burden of proof falls on the person who is attempting to impose rules & laws on the Church. So, when a legalist says "you should be dressing up for church", it is on him/her to provide Biblical evidence for this new rule. Dressing for church is a matter of personal opinion based on persona experience & tradition. The idea of dressing a certain way "for church" is not in Scripture & reduces the church to empty religion. On the other hand, if I claim that there is no such law & that we are free to dress casually, so long as it is modest, there wouldn't be any Scriptural evidence to present.

I may not have Scripture which directs us to dress in any form or manner, but I can give Scriptural proof that God rejects the worship of those who impose their own man-made traditions on others as though they were of God. If you cannot support your imposed tradition with clear Biblical support, I would encourage you to quickly repent, beg God's forgiveness, & reexamine the condition of your own heart. I do not say this lightly, but in all sincerity based on the Word of God.


Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?....
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. ( Matthew 15)

 

[michael-acts17:11]

Where does Scripture say that we are to revere the church? That is straight out of Catholicism. We don't go to church, we ARE the church. Yours is a worldly view of the church.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Where does Scripture say that we are to revere the church? That is straight out of Catholicism. We don't go to church, we ARE the church. Yours is a worldly view of the church.

Honestly, I just don't care what you think of Biblical ecclesiology anymore. If you all want to act that way, knock yourselves out.

What you all do at your little ear tickling stations is none of my concern.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You got a point Mike:thumbsup:

 

[michael-acts17:11]

Honestly, I just don't care what you think of Biblical ecclesiology anymore. If you all want to act that way, knock yourselves out.

What you all do at your little ear tickling stations is none of my concern.

The pharisees response to Christ on their imposition of man-made traditions & Jesus' response to them:

Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. (Matthew 15:12-14)

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Honestly, I just don't care what you think of Biblical ecclesiology anymore. If you all want to act that way, knock yourselves out.

What you all do at your little ear tickling stations is none of my concern.

Oh please...then why defend it? Listen I know that rattiling around in your thick head is the idea we must dress our best for the lord...so I would agree that its important to look your best for the lord...but why does that best have to be a suit and tie...why cant best be dockers and a nice shirt? Honestly nobody wants a confining suit & tie that makes the person uncomfortable. Anyway...with the ad Ent of business casual dress...its gone out of style.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Oh ]please...then why defend it? Listen I know that rattiling around in your thick head

And I don't think anything is rattling around in your empty head.

why cant best be dockers and a nice shirt?

I don't know. Why can't it? I never said it couldn't. You just assumed I said that.

I, personally, (and, yes, I realize that you're going to twist my use of the words "I" and "personally" to mean "all men everywhere"), prefer to wear a jacket and tie because that's the culture I was raised in. But I've never said that if a person's best is khakis and a nice shirt, that they shouldn't wear that. You just assumed I did because I disagree with you and you.

In fact, on Sunday PMs, that's usually what I wear if I'm not preaching. But don't worry about that. As long as I disagree with you, you just go right ahead and assume what you want to. I really don't care.

 

[saturneptune]

Yeah, I don't believe you guys are the sharpest knives in the drawer, either.

I am glad you mentioned that. Perception and dividing the Word are two of your strongest points.

 

[jbh28]

Yeah, I don't believe you guys are the sharpest knives in the drawer, either.

really, you going to stoop to that?

A suit and tie to work? Huh. That's weird. Why don't they just dress casually, like they're going to your church? Oh, wait! I think I know! Maybe, and bear with me on this, but maybe they think the way they dress sends a message.

Never said it didn't. My point is that you don't have to dress differently than you do during the week. I btw wear a suit and a tie to church. You assume too much. I wear one because that's what most wear, not because I'm trying to be spiritual or that if I didn't wear a tie I would be less spiritual or less honoring to God.

Well, good for them.

My point is that we don't biblically have to dress differently from other activities. You keep missing the point.

I'm glad you noticed. Going by your posts, I wasn't sure you could.

really, this is my 3rd post on this board. you have a real attitude problem. Maybe you should stop worrying about you dress and look at your attitude. Nothing at all that I said even came close to me not seeing the difference in playing baseball and gathering for worship.

What is Biblical is that our attitude toward church should be reverent and that, in our culture, one way reverence is displayed is through the way we dress.

Sure, no problem with that. That can be true. But what are you more concerned with, out culture or god. What does God look at?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

really, you going to stoop to that?

So, when you do it, it's clever. When I do it, it's "stooping"?

My point is that we don't biblically have to dress differently from other activities. You keep missing the point.

Fine. If you believe church is just like other activities, that's up to you. In your church, it probably is.

you have a real attitude problem. Maybe you should stop worrying about you dress and look at your attitude.

Careful with that beam in your eye.

But what are you more concerned with, out culture or god. What does God look at?

I'm more concerned with showing reverence to God in a way that signifies reverence in our culture.

Like I said, what you choose to do in your little ear tickling station is up to you.

 

[jbh28]

So, when you do it, it's clever. When I do it, it's "stooping"?

I don't do it.

Fine. If you believe church is just like other activities, that's up to you. In your church, it probably is.

I've never said that it was. In fact I just said that it was different. People that wear suits all week and suits to church are wearing the same thing. Of course i've already said this.

Careful with that beam in your eye.

Case in point...

I'm more concerned with showing reverence to God in a way that signifies reverence in our culture.

Then do it. That's good for you to do.

Like I said, what you choose to do in your little ear tickling station is up to you.

What do you mean by "little ear tickling station"?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I don't do it.

But you did do it. I even quoted you doing it.

What do you mean by "little ear tickling station"?

It's from a verse in the Bible. You probably wouldn't be familiar with it.

Sorry, but no. I've not done that to you.

If you say so. But funny how it came up when I hit the "quote" button.

Seriously, what's your problem? You have done it again. Why must you slander ones you talk to?

I didn't. Why are you all slandering me?

That beam's really stuck in there, isn't it?

Why would you think I'm not familiar with the Bible?

Because I've read your posts.

I love the fact that you get mad that I say you probably wouldn't be familiar with a given verse from the Bible but, when then, when I refer to it with a phrase specific to that verse, you have to ask me what verse it is, thus demonstrating that you're not familiar with it.

Nothing specific had been said so I might as well ask you point blank--what should a man wear to church?

Whatever he wants.

Webdog strawman reasoning: You should not wear to church what you wear during the week.

Conclusion: Attorney's, executives and suit salesmen either cannot go to church, or must wear tuxedos as to not violate 2 Johndeere 2:10.

This is beyond even the idiocy created by the pharisees.

I agree. Your strawman was pretty stupid.

Actually, JDF has never specified what one ought to wear to church

You're right. I haven't. But an awful lot of assumptions have been made about what I believe.

just that it should be different than what one normally wears during the rest of the week and just that it should show reverence.

And that's bad...why?

So, JDF, what should a man wear to Sunday morning church service?

If he's a big boy, he can wear whatever he wants.

 

[jbh28]

But you did do it. I even quoted you doing it.

Sorry, but no. I've not done that to you.

It's from a verse in the Bible. You probably wouldn't be familiar with it.

Seriously, what's your problem? You have done it again. Why must you slander ones you talk to? Why would you think I'm not familiar with the Bible? Because I don't believe that me wearing a suit and tie to church makes God any more happy with my worship? And why do you think my church doesn't have sound doctrine? Again, because I don't believe that wearing a suit and tie means that God accepts my worship any more, you somehow think my church doesn't have sound doctrine. Talk about being shallow, and worse unbiblical.

 

[InTheLight]

I know I'll be called a Pharisee and a legalist for this, but I believe we should dress for church as if we're going to church.

There are 168 hours in a week and some people can't even dress for two hours in such a way that shows that they're participating in something that is different from the other 168 hours.

Nothing specific had been said so I might as well ask you point blank--what should a man wear to church?

 

[webdog]

JDF reasoning: You should not wear to church what you wear during the week.

Conclusion: Attorney's, executives and suit salesmen either cannot go to church, or must wear tuxedos as to not violate 2 Johndeere 2:10.

This is beyond even the idiocy created by the pharisees.

 

[InTheLight]

JDF reasoning: You should not wear to church what you wear during the week.

Conclusion: Attorney's, executives and suit salesmen either cannot go to church, or must wear tuxedos as to not violate 2 Johndeere 2:10.

This is beyond even the idiocy created by the pharisees.

Actually, JDF has never specified what one ought to wear to church, just that it should be different than what one normally wears during the rest of the week and that it should show reverence.

So, JDF, what should a man wear to Sunday morning church service?