Tancredo: Take out their holy sites

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

So you would knowingly and deliberately kill innocent women and children? Explain how that makes you a better moral being than a terrorist.

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The terrorists camp around innocents to protect themsleves Much like hamas does. What should be done is to take the terrorist sout and condemn the using of innocents as sheilds. when they lose public support for that tactic they will lose supprot for their cause. Otherwise they get to run free. And this is an either or situation.

 

[Matt Black]

That in no way answers my question; I am still aghast that someone who - given your BB name, presumably - professes to be a follower of Jesus Christ can espouse such a diabolically murderous policy.

Words fail me.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

That in no way answers my question; I am still aghast that someone who - given your BB name, presumably - professes to be a follower of Jesus Christ can espouse such a diabolically murderous policy.

Words fail me.

and yet you have littel problem with existing trainig camps that kill many more thousands. Either way innocents are going to die. Either at the training camps or potentially anothe WTC or nuclear bomb which under any circumstances is unacceptable.

 

[Matt Black]

The training camps should be taken out wherever possible; show me where I said I was against that. What I am against is the deliberate infliction of a wholly unacceptable level of so-called 'collateral damage' (a rather slimy euphemism for mass-murder) you are advocating.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

The training camps should be taken out wherever possible; show me where I said I was against that. What I am against is the deliberate infliction of a wholly unacceptable level of so-called 'collateral damage' (a rather slimy euphemism for mass-murder) you are advocating.

here is a good question. Why are women in those camps? Are they held against their will? Or do they support the terrorists actions? I would suggest that they go there willingly to give support and cover to the terrorists. Not so sure about just how innocent they are. And why would a sane mother take their children to such a place? They know their lives are at risk and they may die.

 

[Matt Black]

You don't know and neither do I; it would be reckless to speculate and subsequently take action leading to the deaths of innocents based on that speculation.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

You don't know and neither do I; it would be reckless to speculate and subsequently take action leading to the deaths of innocents based on that speculation.

What about the innocents that will be murdered in a much greater number because of their training and planning.

 

[pinoybaptist]

And how is this morally different from terrorism?

When you're enemy successfully goads you to lower yourself to his level, then he has truly won...

When civilians freely and without compulsion from these terrorists choose to live with and within or near their camps knowing who they are, then they are with that group, and, believe me, if they see you, Matt Black, in a British uniform, anywhere near their area, they will tell the terrorists where you are, they will run after you, they will help capture you, and they will probably wail their victory wails while the terrorists are cutting your head off.

During the Clinton regime, it was said that they had a chance to bomb Osama bin Laden's training camp, and Clinton cancelled the operation because there were women and children in the area.

Well, a few years later, bin Laden funded and masterminded the attack on the twin towers which killed more or less 3000 Americans and other nationals who had absolutely nothing at all to do with their hatred for the American government.

I would rather it be their women and children next time, than ours.

 

[LadyEagle]

And Christians are bound to crusades, according to their religion. The fact that most will not commit these atrocities is more an issue of their lack of faith than that they are basically good. Their religion requires crusades.

Oh, please. No where in the Bible does it say Christians are to take over the world by the sword and kill non-believers. No where does Jesus Christ or Christianity say we are to commit atrocities and behead people. This is the same old tired, well-worn, leftist islamic apologist mantra we've seen posted before, especially on islamic web sites.... EXCEPT.....

Historical facts say that Islam, including Muhammad, launched their own Crusades against Christianity long before the European Crusades.

Please educate yourself about the true cause of the Crusades - it was not Christians or Catholics who launched the Crusades - they were defending their farms and lands from muslim invaders who were trying to take over Europe. I tire of hearing revisionism history, truly.


http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/11/the_truth_about_islamic_crusad.html

 

[Matt Black]

What about the innocents that will be murdered in a much greater number because of their training and planning.

Then it is incumbent upon us to find better ways of defeating them more in keeping with the teachings of Jesus Christ, if we wish to claim to be His followers.

 

[Matt Black]

When civilians freely and without compulsion from these terrorists choose to live with and within or near their camps knowing who they are, then they are with that group, and, believe me, if they see you, Matt Black, in a British uniform, anywhere near their area, they will tell the terrorists where you are, they will run after you, they will help capture you, and they will probably wail their victory wails while the terrorists are cutting your head off.

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Again, you are speculating. When you posit something other than a strawman, I might engage with you.

 

[LadyEagle]

In what way can his statement be construed as a straw man?

 

[Matt Black]

It is based on the assumption that the women and children are there knowingly and voluntarily. That's one heck of a 'leap of faith' to make - neither you, he, nor I know that.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

Then don't "engage". I always have to wonder about the folks in the world who seem to find away to shoot down any and I mean any attempt to defeat the terrrorists. They seem almost supportive of them. But what I suppose is that they are feeling poorly for the poor terrorists who are only acting out like a spoiled child because of "policy" and we have mistreated them. The only acceptable way of handling them is to change policy so they will be happy and leave everybody alone.


By the way. Not going to happen. We will continue to support Israel. And thopse who do not like it can go an pat a terrorist on the back and say "its Ok" right before he cuts your head off.

 

[pinoybaptist]

It is based on the assumption that the women and children are there knowingly and voluntarily. That's one heck of a 'leap of faith' to make - neither you, he, nor I know that.

The 'leap of faith' is what you are doing, matt. you will not survive one minute even in my country's Muslim area, with your 'basic goodness of man' mentality.

You'll find yourself a hostage, and beheaded, thanks to the 'smiling children and women' who follow you around and offer you a drink of water.

 

[Matt Black]

Now you're both being utterly absurd.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

He is right on!

He is INSANE.
Let's think about that: are we going to punish the entire Muslim community for the actions of the extremists?
If we took out a holy site, that would unite the ENTIRE Muslim world against us. Are you ready for that, and what it would bring?

Regards, despite my feelings on Tancredo - I am very fond of you LadyEagle!!

BiR (heading back to Richmond)

 

[KenH]

The neo-"con" thinking that has permeated American thinking since 9/11/2001 is frightening, BiR.

Everyone needs to stand firm and not be afraid of the neo-"cons". They need to be defeated, not feared!

 

[hillclimber1]

And Christians are bound to crusades, according to their religion. The fact that most will not commit these atrocities is more an issue of their lack of faith than that they are basically good. Their religion requires crusades. Oh...except for the fact that it actually doesn't. Religious texts can be interpreted in very different ways, and just because you happen to take a fundamentalist view of the Bible in no way means that Muslims cannot interpret the Koran with a more nuanced hermeneutic.

Pure nonsense

Prove that Islam is literally "the most evil religion ever" or try and refrain from saying such imprecise nonsense.

You prove anything positive about it. They love their children? Get your head out of the political rhetoric of the day.



I'm not so sure about it being about big bucks and state power as much as it is about political power. The more Muslims are demonized as evil people who must be crushed at all costs the more it plays into the hands of the right-wingers who will propose dramatically harsh tactics as the necessary response and attempt to alienate those on the left that aren't prepared to make such extreme pronouncements.

More pure nonsense. These ARE evil people if ever there was some. Can't help the left being political and military pansys.

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[KenH]

1) They love their children?

2) These ARE evil people if ever there was some.

1) Are you saying that Muslims don't live their children? If so, then that statement is just plum silly.

2) We all come out of the womb as evil people. And the only righteousness we ever have is the imputed righteousness of Christ Jesus by the grace of God.