Tariffs and Trade Wars and Trump....

[Baptist Believer]

Yes, I'm sure you have a load of evidence.

I do.

Wow! I mean wow! Yes, then all your hate is justified. I'm sorry, this is just hate. It's the only way to describe it. You are consumed

That's a lie.

I do hold him accountable...

So you condemn his lying about his business dealings in Russia?

...and I hold his critics accountable also.

I'm fine with that. I do too. I call out bad and biased reporting when I see it.

Right now I'm holding you accountable.

For not agreeing with your false accusation?

Trump is actually a really good guy.

By the standards of the Sermon on the Mount, he is definitely not.

And I don't hear him making the type of false allegations you're making.

So you didn't hear him claim he had no dealings with Russia? Should I pull up a Youtube clip?

These claims are obviously false. Trump and his team had all kinds of connections with the Russians, from Russian money for Trump projects, to the infamous Trump Tower meeting to get dirt on Hillary Clinton, to the Trump World Tower Moscow letter of intent.

Since Trump and his team have obviously lied about that, let me see you "hold him accountable" as you said. Remember, false witness is "one of the top ten" commandments...

 

[Baptist Believer]

So Trump is not a liar?

Are you going to hold him accountable?

 

[Calminian]

I do.


That's a lie.


So you condemn his lying about his business dealings in Russia?


I'm fine with that. I do too. I call out bad and biased reporting when I see it.


For not agreeing with your false accusation?


By the standards of the Sermon on the Mount, he is definitely not.


So you didn't hear him claim he had no dealings with Russia? Should I pull up a Youtube clip?

These claims are obviously false. Trump and his team had all kinds of connections with the Russians, from Russian money for Trump projects, to the infamous Trump Tower meeting to get dirt on Hillary Clinton, to the Trump World Tower Moscow letter of intent.

Since Trump and his team have obviously lied about that, let me see you "hold him accountable" as you said. Remember, false witness is "one of the top ten" commandments...

Yep so far a giant nothing burger. A letter of intent? Really? That means he has business ties? Doesn't that fact that all you can find is a letter of intending to eventually do business with Russia actually prove he has not yet?

Jesus said this on the Sermon on the mount.

Matt. 7:3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.​

These accusations are pathetic. Anyone would fall short running against this petty filter. It looks like you've spent all your time obsessing over the life of another trying to find a spec to criticize. And Trump has specs just like all of us.

The fact is, I find Trump's behavior much more acceptable than yours. In fact I see Trump as a pretty good guy, as far as humans go. He's got his sins. He was unfaithful in marriage. But he did managed to reconcile with his ex. He needs the cross as much as anyone. But so do you and I, and God forbid anyone take a microscope to you like you have to Trump.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Yep so far a giant nothing burger. A letter of intent? Really? That means he has business ties?

A letter of intent is a significant step in negotiations.

Doesn't that fact that all you can find is a letter of intending to eventually do business with Russia actually prove he has not yet?

Not at all. It proves he had been in negotiations and was working to close the deal with permissions. After permission is granted, then the project proceeds in earnest.

Negotiations to build a project certainly demonstrates "doing business" in Russia.

Of course, there is a lot more evidence than that, but it is clear you are not interested in anything that does not prove the points you are trying to make.

Jesus said this on the Sermon on the mount.

Matt. 7:3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.​

These accusations are pathetic. Anyone would fall short running against this petty filter. It looks like you've spent all your time obsessing over the life of another trying to find a spec to criticize. And Trump has specs just like all of us.

I would consider lying to the American people a big deal. Apparently you're good with it.

The fact is, I find Trump's behavior much more acceptable than yours. In fact I see Trump as a pretty good guy, as far as humans go. He's got his sins. He was unfaithful in marriage. But he did managed to reconcile with his ex. He needs the cross as much as anyone. But so do you and I, and God forbid anyone take a microscope to you like you have to Trump.

The "microscope"? Wow. You are deluded.

 

[Calminian]

...The "microscope"? Wow. You are deluded.

And it's ironic you are a critic of Trump given the way you carry ourself. The irony doesn't get much thicker.

God bless Trump. I'm very thankful he has good Christians around him like Mike Pence and Pastor Jeffress who keep a good testimony and exemplify what true Christianity is all about.

 

[Baptist Believer]

And it's ironic you are a critic of Trump given the way you carry ourself. The irony doesn't get much thicker.

I notice you have pretty much ignored everything that doesn’t fit your prejudices and spent your time attacking me.

God bless Trump. I'm very thankful he has good Christians around him like Mike Pence and Pastor Jeffress who keep a good testimony and exemplify what true Christianity is all about.

You need to check with Jesus on that.

He had a lot to say about what you and others are doing.

 

[Calminian]

...He had a lot to say about what you and others are doing.

Showing grace? Forgiving?

 

[Calminian]

Looks like I'm not alone.

MAJORITY FAVOR KEEPING MANUFACTURING JOBS IN U.S. OVER CHEAP PRODUCTS

In a new poll by Rasmussen Reports, nearly 70 percent of likely voters said it is more important to keep manufacturing jobs in the United States than keeping prices on products low for consumers.

A minority of only 20 percent of likely voters said it was more important to keep product prices low than to have a booming U.S. manufacturing base.​

 

[Calminian]

STUDY: TRUMP TARIFFS COULD ADD 19K STEEL AND ALUMINUM JOBS

 

[FollowTheWay]

Well you dodged that question. So I'll ask a different way. Can you name a time in US history where tax cuts lead to lower revenue? Very simple question.

That's an easy question. The answer is Reagan's presidency.
According to a 2003 Treasury study, the tax cuts in the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 resulted in a significant decline in revenue relative to a baseline without the cuts, approximately $111 billion (in 1992 dollars) on average during the first four years after implementation or nearly 3% GDP annually.[54][55]

 

[Calminian]

My question was, can you name a time in history where tax cuts lead to lower revenue?

Here is a simple revenue vs. tax cut chart. Your answer cherry picks the first initial 4 years, but look at what happened after 2 years.

Can you look at this chart and say with a straight face Reagan's cut resulted in lower revenue? Are you really cherry picking that little tiny blip at the beginning of the cut?

 

[FollowTheWay]

My question was, can you name a time in history where tax cuts lead to lower revenue?

Here is a simple revenue vs. tax cut chart. Your answer cherry picks the first initial 4 years, but look at what happened after 2 years.

Can you look at this chart and say with a straight face Reagan's cut resulted in lower revenue? Are you really cherry picking that little tiny blip at the beginning of the cut?

Look at this chart again. Clinton raised the upper tax bracket tax rate and the INCREASE in revenue per capita went from about $6,200 to $9,200 in 8 years. In Reagan's 8 years the increase was from $6,000 to $6,500. Which approach had the greater effect? Obviously Clinton's. Then Bush came in and tax receipts took a dive. In reality, there was a lot more than changing the income tax rates going on here but I'm addressing your simplistic question.

 

[Calminian]

Look at this chart again. Clinton raised the upper tax bracket tax rate and the INCREASE in revenue per capita went from about $6,200 to $9,200 in 8 years. In Reagan's 8 years the increase was from $6,000 to $6,500. Which approach had the greater effect? Obviously Clinton's. Then Bush came in and tax receipts took a dive. In reality, there was a lot more than changing the income tax rates going on here but I'm addressing your simplistic question.

Looking at the Chart, Reagan's had the great effect. Just look at the switch. Truly amazing. That's why the 80s was such a great period of time.

I'm just amazed anyone can look at that charge and think tax cuts are a bad idea. But not too amazed you would.

And 2000 was before any Bush cuts took place. That crash was actually Clinton's and looks like the Bush cuts halted the slide and turned things around.

So again, can you name a time when tax cuts resulted in lower revenue? Simple question.

 

[Calminian]

And the tariffs work!


Trump’s Tough Talk On China Works: China’s Premier Pledges Opening Market To Avert Trade War

 

[FollowTheWay]

Looking at the Chart, Reagan's had the great effect. Just look at the switch. Truly amazing. That's why the 80s was such a great period of time.

I'm just amazed anyone can look at that charge and think tax cuts are a bad idea. But not too amazed you would.

And 2000 was before any Bush cuts took place. That crash was actually Clinton's and looks like the Bush cuts halted the slide and turned things around.

So again, can you name a time when tax cuts resulted in lower revenue? Simple question.

Learn how to read a chart and listen to some real experts on Voodoo Economics.

 

[Calminian]

Learn how to read a chart and listen to some real experts on Voodoo Economics.

Boy that was fast. Wasn't expecting a copout post so soon.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I admire Gary Cohn for quitting because he disagreed. If we are going to war in the next three months or so, we will need a lot of industrial capacity up and running. The defense industry seems to be in overtime. Both Russia and China back North Korea, and many of the Korean weapon systems seem to be Russian surplus. We need the steel industry to rebuild our military quickly.

What's this about going to war in 3 months? I seriously doubt it unless Trump pushes the nuclear button and then industrial capacity won't mean anything in a nuclear winter.

 

[church mouse guy]

What's this about going to war in 3 months? I seriously doubt it unless Trump pushes the nuclear button and then industrial capacity won't mean anything in a nuclear winter.

Are you a member of the Way International?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Are you a member of the Way International?

No. I like that handle because early Christians were called the Way and I love the statement by Jesus "I am the way, the truth and the life." It provides a good statement of my hope and my salvation. My icon is my second golden retriever Jessie (died 2 years ago) in the Smokies which I think does a good job of illustrating this beautiful verse.

 

[Adonia]

No. I like that handle because early Christians were called the Way and I love the statement by Jesus "I am the way, the truth and the life." It provides a good statement of my hope and my salvation. My icon is my second golden retriever Jessie (died 2 years ago) in the Smokies which I think does a good job of illustrating this beautiful verse.

My condolences on the passing of your beloved Jessie. Our furry friends are most definitely put here by God to help us through our lives. I chuckle every time I see my cat Carmello get into some mischief. My icon is my dog Max and my cat Sammy (who were the best of friends), both long gone from this world.