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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by The Lamb Rescued Me, Sep 16, 2019.

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  1. Reformed1689

    Reformed1689 Well-Known Member

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    Not if you look at the whole of Scripture. What does Paul say in Ephesians 1:4?
     
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    Nonsense, please provide he quote where I said a foundation was built last?
     
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    You said the foundation obviously starts at the very end of creation. I quoted that post.

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    They are just spewing absurdity now, Ephesians 1:4 refers to before the foundation of the world, not since the foundation of the world.

    Here is the truth they are attempting to bury:
    The ESV mistranslates Revelation 13:8 to bend it toward Calvinism.
     
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    No I did not. Folks note McCree79 edited my statement, removing "since."
    Here is my actual statement:
    "Since the foundation of the world obviously starts at the very end of creation and extends to the end of the age, at some future time."

    More deflection, more nonsense, more effort to derail.
     
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    Ok, we have already shown you how logically and grammatically since can be understood as before. So you have to reconcile Ephesians 1:4 with the passage that, even in the precious idolized KJV, says before the foundation of the world. You actually didn't answer the question at all and tried to deflect.
     
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    I claimed neither thing. I asked you where your scriptural support for some people who do not go to heaven have no suffering in hell. Again, you are deflecting.
     
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    Again...you are claiming the foundation of the world was formed at the end. "Since" even makes you state more forceful. From the time period of the foundation to some time in the future....this occurred at the end of creation....your starting point, the "foundation" starts at the end of creation.



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    The word of God teaches no such thing. The evidence is that names are blotted out or not blotted out.
     
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    We do not agree as to what conforms to the word of God on this matter.
     
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    I'm still waiting to see how he actually gets that viewpoint from Scripture.
     
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    Folks, behold obfuscation. No one would agree that since creation can be understood as before creation. No one!! They are just posting nonsense.
     
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    Now he agrees with me, little children are condemned already and God will provide them perfect justice. Ask yourself, why is he posting?
     
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    More deflection TAINT SO cries Van.
     
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    Why do you keep ignoring the question. By the way, asking a question is not agreeing with you. I have asked you, at least three times now, to show proof that there are some people who do not go to heaven that also do not experience suffering in hell.
     
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    More nonsense. Since something happened refers to the entire period after something happened. Obfuscation on display
     
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    Yet another off topic post.
    The ESV mistranslates Revelations 13:8 to make it conform to bogus doctrine of Calvinism.
     
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    Note the difference, I present my view, they do not present their view, but find fault with mine. Obfuscation on display
     
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    And I have answered you, but you have not addressed my answer. Obfuscation on display
     
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    Then why do you refuse to deal with Ephesians 1:4?
     
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