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I'm going to give you the last word on this.

 

Do you believe everyone starts out saved, and then we can lose our salvation? The vast majority of Christians hold that you can't lose salvation (Calvinism and OSAS).

You should start a topic on this. It would be interesting to see comments by OSAS believer who believe in an age of accountability. If a baby dies, does he go to Hell or Heaven? If Heaven, then how can he lose his salvation later?

 

Oh ho ho! @Van says TAINT SO

 

Ok we disagree. But how? I understand Revelation 13:8 to teach simply those name are not written in tbe book. And that condition of not being in the book is since the making of mankind. Since it is my understand Christ paid for the sins of the whole world (mankind), all
names therefore started out in the book.

Now Revelation 20:15 simply teaches those whose names are not in the book perish.

As I said, it is my understanding all names started out in the book. If a name is not in the book it would have had to be removed.

Now the word of God speaks about names not being in the book, or not being removed. No promise ever of being added to the book.

 

No. I believe little children start out safe, and unless one again becomes a child to God their names will be removed. Mark 10:14-15, John 3:3-4. . . .

 

Where from Scripture do you get that all names started out in the book? It doesn't say that. You are reading that into the text.

 

I have.



Little children . . . .

 

The ESV has been shown to systematically alter the translation to better fit with the bogus assertions of Calvinism.

1) Revelation 13:8 changed since creation to before creation but forgot to alter Revelation 17:8.

2) James 2:5 added "to be" to change the election from conditioned on being rich in faith, to not yet being rich in faith.

3) 2 Thessalonians 2:13 changed a noun (salvation) into a verb (saved) to hide the fact we are individually chosen for salvation through faith in the truth.

I could go on, but why bother, the rebuttal will be "taint so."

 

Again @Van offers no substance and cries TAINT SO!

 

An outright falsehood, I provided three verses where the ESV alters the text.

 

No, you have given three verses where you claim it alters the text even though multiple people have shown you how you are incorrect in that position. So again, @Van cries TAINT SO

 

People claimed there is no difference between before creation and since creation. They are obviously incorrect. We were chosen in Him corporately before creation and chosen individually for salvation since creation.

The ESV does not live up to its hype, the more you use it, the more problems stand out.

 

Van you clearly don't know what you are talking about and are wasting my time. We have already shown your errors on this subject and you are just making yourself look foolish. Have a good day.

 

Who did??? You claimed they have "opposite" meanings. You have failed to do so. Since and before are not opposite in meaning. As bad as you want, you cannot change the tense of the Greek verb to imply the verb "written" was done after the fact. It wasnt even done at the same time. The verb, if maintaining word order of NASB, requires an implication of "before"


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We are wasting our time with this one.

 

More nonsense, more deflection. Before creation falls on the opposite side of creation from since creation. For you to continue to obfuscate this obvious truth is disheartening.

The phrase, since the foundation of the world, modifies written, therefore the names were not written, and others by inference were written since the foundation of the world. And the tense of the verb indicates the continuing ongoing affect of what is written. Thus at the end of the age, the names not written (and by inference written) will still have affect.

 

This is pathetic.

 

That is interpretation. I understand it literaly. I take the meaning of not written (past tense). I do not take it to mean not to have ever been written.

Again I am of the persuasion names are blotted out, Psalms 69:28, or never to be blotted out, Revelation 3:5.

 

Here is the major problem with that, those two verses are not talking about the same book.

 

Yet another taint so post, demonstrating ignorance of the subject.