Temporal Salvation

[T Alan]

The reason for evangelism is simply, "The Master said to do it". Preach the Gospel. I preached a message in a local PB church Nov. 9.
I would be glad to send it to anyone who would like to hear it via "dropbox" just send me an email or PM.

The message was on PB's mis labeling as the "Frozen ChoZen" and Scriptures emphasis to "Preach the gospel".

 

[T Alan]

It's an "interesting" word because it is quite appropos. So-called 'Time Salvation' is a novel concept unheard of in historic Christian theology. No Puritan or Reformer ever taught it. Your Calvinistic heroes never preached upon it. It is an aberration from the Faith once delivered. Conditional time salvation is not found in Holy Writ.

The same could be said for "Trinity" and other. The teaching is there, if God blesses you you will soon see it. Do a search of "Saved" and Salvation" in the bible , note the number of times it is associated with "deliverance" from something and the number of time it "means" eternal life.

No need in "arguing" this topic, the OP link does the work. Let him with ears to hear hear.

 

[Revmitchell]

It's an "interesting" word because it is quite appropos. So-called 'Time Salvation' is a novel concept unheard of in historic Christian theology. No Puritan or Reformer ever taught it. Your Calvinistic heroes never preached upon it. It is an aberration from the Faith once delivered. Conditional time salvation is not found in Holy Writ.

Well see you are not good enough yet for God to reveal it to you. Or maybe you are not calvinist enough for God to reveal it to you.

I swear the arrogance of cals knows no bounds.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I'm not sure, EWF, if we can discuss a topic that some have labeled "two aspects of a single salvation" without veering into the C & A argument. The notion that man has no input in his salvation is, from what I've noticed around here, the heart of the C & A argument.

As to the other question you posed me: Have you ever been sitting in church and feel the impetus to get up and do something, like give a testimony, or simply go and hug someone and offer them encouragement, but then not gotten up and done it? Maybe you just sat there trying to sort out if you were actually supposed to do that, or if you just thought you were? Whatever the reason, if the Lord tells you to do something, and you squash it down, have you not "quenched the Spirit?"

Actually no...ive never wanted to hug someone in church....ok perhaps my wife, but that's a whole different level. And in the unlikely chance that the hugging mood came over me ***:laugh::laugh:*** I would do it without concern for anyone watching. My wife would have me committed to an insane asylum. :laugh:

Now my interpertations of quenching the spirit is somewhat different from yours.....much more in line with Martyn Lloyd Jones interpertations in his book "Joy Unspeakable".....have you read it?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Well see you are not good enough yet for God to reveal it to you. Or maybe you are not calvinist enough for God to reveal it to you.

I swear the arrogance of cals knows no bounds.

Ah......congratulation, you have at last found a "True Calvinist "....a Puritan in the 1st degree.:laugh:

 

[Rippon]

Now my interpertations of quenching the spirit is somewhat different from yours.....much more in line with Martyn Lloyd Jones interpertations in his book "Joy Unspeakable".....have you read it?

The Doctor never so much as mentioned "temporal salvation" much less preached and taught it. That's because it is a theological innovation.

 

[Rippon]

Well see you are not good enough yet for God to reveal it to you. Or maybe you are not calvinist enough for God to reveal it to you.

I swear the arrogance of cals knows no bounds.

Calvinists have no sympathy with temporal salvation --two salvations, or any other heretical combo taught by some Primitive Baptists.

 

[T Alan]

Calvinists have no sympathy with temporal salvation --two salvations, or any other heretical combo taught by some Primitive Baptists.

Well see you are not good enough yet for God to reveal it to you. Or maybe you are not calvinist enough for God to reveal it to you.

I swear the arrogance of cals knows no bounds.

I never said one must be "good enough". And again I am no Calvinist.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The same could be said for "Trinity" and other. The teaching is there, if God blesses you you will soon see it. Do a search of "Saved" and Salvation" in the bible , note the number of times it is associated with "deliverance" from something and the number of time it "means" eternal life.

No need in "arguing" this topic, the OP link does the work. Let him with ears to hear hear.

Thats the most interesting thing to me....Mike Gowens deliberately details the theology but it is ignored or vilified.....nobody takes the time to dismantle it as if thtowing rocks at a barn will bring down the structure. Simply fascinating! Is there no one here with enough intellectual prowess to take it apart?!?

 

[PreachTony]

Actually no...ive never wanted to hug someone in church....ok perhaps my wife, but that's a whole different level. And in the unlikely chance that the hugging mood came over me ***:laugh::laugh:*** I would do it without concern for anyone watching. My wife would have me committed to an insane asylum. :laugh:

Now my interpertations of quenching the spirit is somewhat different from yours.....much more in line with Martyn Lloyd Jones interpertations in his book "Joy Unspeakable".....have you read it?

Having different definitions does not surprise me at all. It's pretty much the norm here at the BB.

I'll grant you this: my church, and most of our sister churches in the area, are smaller churches, typically with crowds of 100 or less on any given Sunday morning. That being the case, we are much more tightly knit than the local larger churches, and far more tightly knit than the local megachurch. So getting up and hugging someone is not uncommon. In fact, during a service a few years ago, during our altar call, the pastor suddenly turned and grabbed me in a bear hug. When he turned back his son was in the altar praying. He later told me that he had been asking the Lord what he needed to do to help point his son toward salvation, and he said the Lord's answer that morning was "turn and hug the home preacher." If he had sat on that and not done it, then who know what blessing he would've missed out on.

I consider failing to do what the Lord tells you to do as just one part of quenching the Spirit. That's not my full definition. I have not read anything by Martyn Lloyd Jones, specifically not "Joy Unspeakable," though I'll tack it on to the list of things to read. That's a bit of a long list for me at the moment, though, to be honest.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I never said one must be "good enough". And again Reverend I am no Calvinist.

No ....they don't wash feet.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Having different definitions does not surprise me at all. It's pretty much the norm here at the BB.

I'll grant you this: my church, and most of our sister churches in the area, are smaller churches, typically with crowds of 100 or less on any given Sunday morning. That being the case, we are much more tightly knit than the local larger churches, and far more tightly knit than the local megachurch. So getting up and hugging someone is not uncommon. In fact, during a service a few years ago, during our altar call, the pastor suddenly turned and grabbed me in a bear hug. When he turned back his son was in the altar praying. He later told me that he had been asking the Lord what he needed to do to help point his son toward salvation, and he said the Lord's answer that morning was "turn and hug the home preacher." If he had sat on that and not done it, then who know what blessing he would've missed out on.

I consider failing to do what the Lord tells you to do as just one part of quenching the Spirit. That's not my full definition. I have not read anything by Martyn Lloyd Jones, specifically not "Joy Unspeakable," though I'll tack it on to the list of things to read. That's a bit of a long list for me at the moment, though, to be honest.

I visited with a small rural church in NW New Jersey this Sunday. Again I was a 1st time visiter. Hardly anyone came by to say hello or welcome....but that's typical of New Jersey.

 

[T Alan]

There is on one gift of eternal life, this life is in the death of Jesus Christ. It saved those Predestined and chosen to eternal life. "Temporal Salvation" is CONVERSION which comes about by faith and faith by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

One Salavation, "once for all" (time). Hebrews
One God in Three Persons.
Conversion, entering into God's earthly Kingdom via the Gospel
God is omnipotent but "omnipotent" is never used in the bible.
Jehovah is Omnipresent buth "Omnipresent is never used in the bible
Yah is Omniscient but "Omnicient" is never in the bible.
The "concept" for all is.

 

[PreachTony]

I visited with a small rural church in NW New Jersey this Sunday. Again I was a 1st time visiter. Hardly anyone came by to say hello or welcome....but that's typical of New Jersey.

Come to northeast Georgia and visit my church. Not everyone will speak to you, but a lot of people will. But, we are dealing with a massive cultural difference between New Jersey and anywhere in Georgia. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[T Alan]

I visited with a small rural church in NW New Jersey this Sunday. Again I was a 1st time visiter. Hardly anyone came by to say hello or welcome....but that's typical of New Jersey.

I visited a local 2k member church for several weeks. Only One person greeted us during that time. But that's typical of some Baptist who are afraid of "Outsiders", why they might be sinners.

 

[T Alan]

No ....they don't wash feet.

Where did this come from EWF? Is someone posting I can't see?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

:laugh:

I visited a local 2k member church for several weeks. Only One person greeted us during that time. But that's typical of some Baptist who are afraid of "Outsiders", why they might be sinners.

Well then they wouldn't like me....I'm a mighty big sinner, I drink, sometimes I swear.....and, AND I'm a "YANKEE ".........even been known ta dance!!!:laugh:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Where did this come from EWF? Is someone posting I can't see?

I just don't think the Rev's church practices washing feet. And I don't know why not....Jesus washed feet.

 

[T Alan]

I just don't think the Rev's church practices washing feet. And I don't know why not....Jesus washed feet.

Did someone ask if someone washed feet? I haven't seen that post.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Come to northeast Georgia and visit my church. Not everyone will speak to you, but a lot of people will. But, we are dealing with a massive cultural difference between New Jersey and anywhere in Georgia. :smilewinkgrin:

You guys would have to learn to drive in snow first before I would consider a visit.:laugh: