And it says exactly what I said. He that comitteth sin is of the devil. You haven't figured out that a man can positionally be a child of God and still be practically a child of the devil. All you are doing is saying 'I'm a child of God, that means my sin isn't really sin.' That is the type of reasoning that is warned against when we are told to let no man deceive us. Just like Galatians 6, where we are told that whosoever sows to the flesh will reap corruption, and be not deceived. You cannot sow to the flesh, saved or unsaved, and not read corruption. 1Corinthians 6, be not deceived, the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom. And unbeliever isn't anywhere in that list of things God considers unrighteous. Practical righteousness is a requirement for a child of God to inherit the kingdom of God, be not deceived. -- Jim
All you have for me here is your say so, which means nothing in light of the context. No where in God's word is a child of God called a child of the devil, and no where is there any scripture that supports the error that a child of God can be changed into a child of the devil. Yes, it says exactly that, he that committeth sin is of the devil, but that is not the new man or the new nature; it is the old man and the old nature. We both will certainly reap corruption. And, yes, the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom. but saved people are no longer unrighteous, despite any unrighteous deeds their old nature might do. You fellows are warped to the core. -- Herb Evans
Where did I say anything about being changed into a child of the devil? I said if you sin, you are a child of the devil. Thats the bible you are arguing with, not me. If the bible says you are a child of God and a child of the devil, then the bible is right. If you wan't to play the old man/new man game, that is fine, but whatever you do in the body, you are going to receive for at the judgment seat. Of course you evade the part about a child of God being called a child of the devil any where in the scriptures.
Well, child of the devil, you have already admitted that you sinned wilfully, so we know what you are. So, you believe that you are both. More amazing than what I thought you meant. be patient with me, and i will get your heresy down pat. Still, the Bible does not say that you are both a child of God and a child of the devil. Whatever I do in the body I will receive for -- rewards or lack of them. No stripes for me. No being killed there for me. No being put in hell fire there for me. That is Faustology not Bible. My sin debt is paid! The old man/new man is not a game; it is the scripture. -- Herb Evans
1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
If your spirit allows your flesh to lead you into sin, your spirit is guilty, just as Adam was guilty for allowing Eve to lead him into sin
But you see, my old spirit, the inner man, the old nature is not going either. Only the regenerated soul and spirit, the new nature, are going to heaven and going to be resurrected and get a new sinless body. --Herb Evans
Sure, at the great white throne, but unless you put on that new man now in this life, you will not inherit the kingdom.
Ephesians 4:22-24
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Sorry but no white throne judgment for me. I will be there, however, watching some Faustites get judged. The new man is within me right along side the old man. You are reading a command not a condition for the kingdom. The old man may be put off but never leaves until death. The new man must be put on over and over, but he is still there in the believer. -- Herb Evans
Thats right, Herb, it is a command. And you think that we can ignore these commands and yet Jesus is going to tell us 'well done, good and faithful servant.' But in reality, if we do not keep his commandments, He is going to say 'I never knew you.'
1 John 2:3-4
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Well, then, you are a liar, for you admitted sin and do not keep His commandments. Still, my point was that commands are not conditions for keeping saved nor for excluding Christians from the kingdom and putting them in hell fire. You are warped to think that they are conditions for such. -- Herb Evans
Luke 6
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built a house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
Good question, good scripture, but no kingdom cigar here. The foundation is Jesus Christ not works. Manipulating salvation passages into kingdom passages does not become you. -- Herb Evans
1 Timothy 6:11-19
11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.
17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded; nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
You Faustites claim that you have eternal life and cannot lose it, so why try to use it for the kingdom. There is no kingdom here in this passage. You faustites are like campbellites when they see water in the Bible. You see godly instructions and admonitions and immediately you try to use them for conditions for kingdom entrance. Herb Evans believes in these scriptures and would never tell anyone to disobey them. --Herb Evans
Herb says he doesn't need to keep these commandments, because he already has eternal life. But Herb can't tell the difference between eternal life during the millennium, which is certainly by works added to faith, and eternal life afterwards which is freely given. Fine Herb, don't do good, don't lay up in store a good foundation. Just build that house on the sand and hope it will stand. But that isn't faith, thats presumption. -- Jim
Herb Evans never said that. Herb Evans does not believe that you need to keep these commandments for eternal life, and I thought you Faustites were saved by grace and not works, but that is obviously not what you are saying. Now the kingdom is no different than salvation, and there is nothing here about the kingdom. If you are going to sift through the bible for all the commands and try to prove that they are conditions for the kingdom, don't waste your time. Christ is my foundation for both salvation and the kingdom. Your foundation is works and self righteousness. Too believe you do not need works for eternity and need works for a thousand years is ridiculous, if that is what you believe -- Herb Evans
Why do you do that by the way? Why didn't you say James Newman and all the other ME proponents seeing as I have only posted a couple of times on this thread?