I’d watch how I present that...because if you think that only Catholics operate under a money, power and control agenda I invite you to NJ & I will you personally walk you to some Baptist churches where it’s alive and well.
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Ten doctrines which render Rome outside of Christ
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No. It’s belief. It’s false teaching. It’s a major heresy. It’s blasphemy. It holds people in bondage from the truth.
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I am in the "Other Christian Denomination" section of the Baptist Board for the free and open exchange of ideas. I enjoy the give and take and hopefully you folks will learn something. And I agree with you, a person's faith tradition and what they believe is between them and God. I stopped attending church for some period of time in my life and when I returned I went to several different other Christian faith traditions, but the only thing I found was other people giving me THEIR interpretation of the Holy Writ.
Then one day it dawned on me - why should I believe them when it was an orthodox form of Christianity that I found most to my liking? I then had two choices, the Catholic Church in which I grew up in or the Eastern Orthodox Church and I eventually chose to come back to the Catholic Church. You see, each of them has a liturgical form of worship that has been going on since the early days of the Christian Church and I like that form of worship.
Yes, I agree with you as all Christian faith traditions are subject to this, because they are made up of sinful men. Even St. Peter committed a terrible sin when he denied Our Lord - three times no less!
prophecy70
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I on the other hand want to learn about it, even if I don't agree, I am very open minded to different ideas, and the why you believe what you do. I do not believe the best way to confront something you don't agree with is by calling it heresy.
The only thing I will say about your statement, is you shouldn't have a form of Christianity that you "like", If it feels comfortable, question it, Narrow Is the way to Heaven. Because it "feels good" could be a terrible sign.
A persons faith tradition is between them and God, but when salvation is an issue, and If i was wrong, I would want that person there correcting me every step of the way. Hell is eternity. What the Bible actually teaches is comeplete truth, not everything what any church tells you, because they are still ran by sinful men.
No, it's what Jesus Himself tells us it is. I mean really, your willfull ignorance of what he said, what the Early Church Fathers wrote about, and what the Christian Church has taught all these centuries is stunning. You have merely decided to believe some other interpretation. Grape juice and crackers indeed!
No, it is asking the Holy Spirit in prayer to convect the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. This is not some trick, but it occurs by the power of the Holy Spirit under Almighty God. Watch it brother, now that you have been told this, from this point forward you risk committing the unforgiveable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
Why say such things? If you don't believe this that's fine, let us worship in the truth what we believe and let it go, but putting one's eternal salvation at risk by being "ad infinitum and ad nauseam" about it is certainly something I would not want to be a part of. If we are right, you are in big trouble my friend. Grape juice and crackers indeed!
prophecy70
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Easy now. Im asking questions, nothing else.
Which is why your theological arguments fall flat. You're regurgitating papist talking points. By your own admission, you went back to the Roman Catholic church because "I like that form of worship". Liking something is nice, but not at the expense of biblical truth.
You come on the Baptist Board and admonish me to let it go? I don't think so, Tim. Roman false teaching will be vigorously opposed when I encounter it.
Proud of yourself now? LOL
Where did I use the word "heresy"? Like the Scriptures say, if others also speak the words of Jesus and speak of Him as the Savior we all have been waiting for, then we all are on the same side.
You got me all wrong. Yes I feel comfortable in my Church and I like it because I believe it is teaching the truth of Jesus Christ and His mission here on earth. People do this all the time. Some folks like the holy roller style of worship, some like the Baptist style, and others like a more sedate and respectful form of worship. There is nothing wrong in any of them and how that particular church makes one feel.
The Bible does not exist in a vacuum. Jesus did not just write a book and then left it to us so each individual could figure out things on their own. No, Jesus left us a church, the Church, a place where real human beings existed and had the authority to guide us and to encourage us as we complete our journey here on earth. He gave the Church real power to act in His name, to decide things, things that would be binding not only here on earth, but also in heaven. Isn't that what the Scriptures themselves say? Yes, that is indeed what the Scriptures say!
As you wish. I will pray for you brother and may God bless and keep you safe this very day.
Go ahead, keep it up. I say you are the one who is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. You have been warned and one day you will have to answer for it. God bless!
God is pleased because we are interpreting His word correctly. You on the other hand with your myriad of different Christian sects have proven otherwise. You folks can't agree on anything! So whose interpretations is correct? The Baptists? The SDA's? The Mormons? the Wesleyans? The Lutherans? The Anglicans? the Presbyterians? The Church of God in Prophecy's? The Christian Holiness Church's? Come on, tell me which one is on the money and I'll leave God's Holy Church in a minute and join it..
prophecy70
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Never said you did, I was talking about what they were saying to you.
I took it for how it was worded, I was mistaken, Sorry.
And you know its the RCC how?
prophecy70
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How do you know what your being taught now is correct?
The church used to burn people at the stake, Maybe that is a correct thing to do now as well?
This is why Individual interpretation is important.
It is the Church which was given the mission of interpreting the Scriptures. Read the Scriptures and they will tell you that. Where are we to take our problems that occur between us? Why the CHURCH the Scriptures say! To the Church, which is made up of men whom God placed in ecclesiastical authority over us. Yes, such a thing is true.
You folks claim to know so much, but in the end know very little. Let me see if I can explain this in a way in which you can understand. We have a thing called the Constitution of the United States which is the guide to how our governmental system operates. By itself it does nothing, it can do nothing because it is only the words on paper.
What gives the Constitution life is the people we elect as legislators and it is known as the Congress. That body of men has the authority and power to decide things, to make stuff happen. They are the final power. Yes, the Supreme Court can rule on something, but the Congress ultimately has the power to change that ruling by initiating the Amendment process.
The Scriptures operate the same way. They are words on paper, beautiful words, but still words. By themselves they do nothing, they are the guide to our salvation and should be heeded. So what did God do? He gave us the Church, made up of real men, with real authority to decide things in practice here on earth.
How do we even have the New Testament as we know it? It was put together by the leaders of the Christian Church here on earth and that is a historical fact that cannot be denied. Who conducts our worship services? Why those same men in the religious authority over us and at this all happens at the church of our choice.
Don't even you follow what the pastor of your church says, or are you free to go off on your own? Yes, the Church does indeed have a very important part to play as we live our lives. The Church and God is one and the same, they cannot be separated. It is the bride of Christ here on earth, put here for our benefit and there is no denying that truth.
As did the non-Catholic churches. St. Peter himself denied the Lord three times and other Apostles also lost faith in Him and scattered, but that does not mean God has abandoned us. And no, we should not be burning each other at the stake now.
Thankfully we are past doing such terrible things and dialogue and prayer is the way to go. You believe in individual interpretation and I can respect that, I simply don't. For me to do such a thing I would go off on a tangent and claim that the Holy Spirit was leading me in that direction and no one could say otherwise. No, I will look to the Catholic Church for guidance on these things.
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I take it on faith that it is. Plus, there is the historical record that exists as the new Christian faith stared emerging from the 1st century. There was but one universal church that everyone looked to for guidance. This is evidenced by the Early Church Fathers, those Bishops, the leaders of the Christian faith who called the councils and the synods that decided the basic belief's that all Christians even of today believe, and they fought all the heresies that cropped up from time to time and even collated the New Testament in the form that exists today. Sure there were other sects around, but they were so small they were irrelevant. The historical record also tells us of the first great schism that occurred in Christianity, when the Eastern and Western Churches split from each other over some doctrinal differences, and then on to Martin Luther some 500 years later and all that that entailed. That in a nut shell is why I believe in the Latin Rite of Christianity.
SheepWhisperer
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You guys have a "pope" correct? Doesn't that word mean "papa" or "father"? So every time y'all call him "pope" you are disobeying what the Master said..........Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
The word "pastor" on the other hand, means "feeder". He is to FEED the flock of God, the local church from the Word of God. However, we are admonished to study and search the scriptures for OURSELVES too, like the Bereans did.. Furthermore, since you are commanded to study the scriptures for yourself you are also told to have nothing to do with false teachers, who use the scriptures for their own benefit, instead of blindly following their "authority". Hey, I don't even believe everything I've heard from Baptist preachers. But based on some of the stuff I've heard about him in the news, your Pope is a wicked sinner on his way to Hell if he doesn't repent and give his heart to Jesus. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, end of story: He's all I need. "Mary"? Really?
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