Sapper Woody
Well-Known Member
Matt, you aren't being consistent with your showing of statistics of violent crime. You are being shown incontrovertible proof that banning guns does not reduce violent crime, and only reduces gun related crime. Yet you show only how gun violence is down over there.
What you are plainly being shown, in black and white, is that citizens owning guns makes things safer for the general public. If citizens do not have guns, such as in your case, then violent crime actually rises. Just because it's not gun crime does not negate the fact that it is a violent crime.
The ONLY proof that should be needed is to compare the US to the UK. UK bans guns. So gun violence is down. But violence is more common. US has guns. Gun violence is higher, but violence across the spectrum is less.
Now, even if we want to narrow it down even more, to get a more "apples to apples" comparison, look at the cities in the US which have the most strict gun laws. They have the most murders and violent crimes than anywhere else.
As another point, compare the ability of the UK to protect its borders from gun runners to that of the US. We are not an island. Guns can come across from any point of hundreds of miles of border; both from the north and the south. If we ban guns, we are literally only taking them away from law abiding citizens, while allowing drug runners and cartel to have them.
How anyone in their right mind can argue that we need to ban guns in America literally baffles me. Beyond being unconstitutional, it's simply not logical.
What you are plainly being shown, in black and white, is that citizens owning guns makes things safer for the general public. If citizens do not have guns, such as in your case, then violent crime actually rises. Just because it's not gun crime does not negate the fact that it is a violent crime.
The ONLY proof that should be needed is to compare the US to the UK. UK bans guns. So gun violence is down. But violence is more common. US has guns. Gun violence is higher, but violence across the spectrum is less.
Now, even if we want to narrow it down even more, to get a more "apples to apples" comparison, look at the cities in the US which have the most strict gun laws. They have the most murders and violent crimes than anywhere else.
As another point, compare the ability of the UK to protect its borders from gun runners to that of the US. We are not an island. Guns can come across from any point of hundreds of miles of border; both from the north and the south. If we ban guns, we are literally only taking them away from law abiding citizens, while allowing drug runners and cartel to have them.
How anyone in their right mind can argue that we need to ban guns in America literally baffles me. Beyond being unconstitutional, it's simply not logical.
