Texas Part 2

[The American Dream]

Think we can start a conversation about Texas and other states that leaves out the derogatory names concerning groups of people. The fact is Texas is one of only a few states if not the only state that could function as an independent nation on its own. For one, they have their own power grid. They have an ample supply of energy, wealth, an manpower that it takes to make a nation function. There may be other states, but none come to mind.

 

[InTheLight]

If Texas seceded and the United States decided to punish them, Texas wouldn't last a year.

Besides, what other nations would recognize Texas as a sovereign nation ? Who would trade with them?

 

[just-want-peace]

If Texas seceded and the United States decided to punish them, Texas wouldn't last a year.

Besides, what other nations would recognize Texas as a sovereign nation ? Who would trade with them?

Just think, you have identified one, if not the most, important reason for the FF to spell out the 2nd!

 

[InTheLight]

Just think, you have identified one, if not the most, important reason for the FF to spell out the 2nd!

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I don't know what FF means...

Or what you are saying...

 

[Zaac]

If Texas seceded and the United States decided to punish them, Texas wouldn't last a year.

Besides, what other nations would recognize Texas as a sovereign nation ? Who would trade with them?

Exactly. There would be folks flocking out of Texas. A lot of folks might also try to get in before the borders are closed. But I think the majority of the savvy business owners would leave.

Texas is viable because it's part of the United States. The GSP of California is significantly larger than that of Texas.

But if you take away the ability of Texas to trade with other states, coupled with international and multi-state businesses leaving, that massive GSP would drop like a meteor entering the earth's atmosphere.

 

[InTheLight]

Exactly. There would be folks flocking out of Texas. A lot of folks might also try to get in before the borders are closed. But I think the majority of the savvy business owners would leave.

Texas is viable because it's part of the United States. The GSP of California is significantly larger than that of Texas.

But if you take away the ability of Texas to trade with other states, coupled with international and multi-state businesses leaving, that massive GSP would drop like a meteor entering the earth's atmosphere.

There is precedent. During the Civil War, sorry, War of Northern Aggression, European nations would not recognize the Confederate States of America because Lincoln warned of repercussions. The South was also relying on exports of "King Cotton" (the worldwide demand for their cotton), to finance the war effort, but the Union blockade and surplus supplies of cotton in Europe killed that idea. The South's economy was destroyed and really only started recovering after WWII.

People that think Texas could go it alone are mistaken.

 

[just-want-peace]

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I don't know what FF means...

Or what you are saying...

"Founding Fathers"

 

[Zaac]

There is precedent. During the Civil War, sorry, War of Northern Aggression, European nations would not recognize the Confederate States of America because Lincoln warned of repercussions. The South was also relying on exports of "King Cotton" (the worldwide demand for their cotton), to finance the war effort, but the Union blockade and surplus supplies of cotton in Europe killed that idea. The South's economy was destroyed and really only started recovering after WWII.

People that think Texas could go it alone are mistaken.

Exactly. Without the ability to move goods, services, and labor back and forth across its borders, the GSP would be decimated. They'd be like Cuba.

If they keep flexing, let's just drop an EMP on them and shut down their lil grid and they'll start behaving.

Every now and then daddy has to spank the kids :laugh:

 

[carpro]

Think we can start a conversation about Texas and other states that leaves out the derogatory names concerning groups of people. The fact is Texas is one of only a few states if not the only state that could function as an independent nation on its own. For one, they have their own power grid. They have an ample supply of energy, wealth, an manpower that it takes to make a nation function. There may be other states, but none come to mind.

Anyone recommending secession needs to have their head examined.

Instead, Texas and all states should begin to fight more aggressively for their rights under the 10th amendment against a rogue federal government.

 

[Salty]

Instead, Texas and all states should begin to fight more aggressively for their rights under the 10th amendment against a rogue federal government.

Problem is that States/Commonwealths are more conscerned about how many $$ they can get out of DC

 

[Revmitchell]

Problem is that States/Commonwealths are more conscerned about how many $$ they can get out of DC

Which is largely because DC is taking funds out of the state

 

[The American Dream]

On second thought Texas would make a good county of Oklahoma.

 

[righteousdude2]

If Texas seceded and the United States decided to punish them, Texas wouldn't last a year.

Besides, what other nations would recognize Texas as a sovereign nation ? Who would trade with them?

Broad swipe with your opinionated brush. Now show us some facts to back up that statement.

The only people rushing to leave Texas would be the entitled, and that would help the nation of Texas to slim down their budget quite considerably, especially since 35 to 40% of the people in America collect welfare and food stamps.

Texas would do well on their own, and other states might see they can cut the federal umbilical cord and be on their own too. This could be the beginning of the end for a corrupt, liberal nation that is heading in the direction of Rome.

So, dtl, put some stats and facts behind your large brush strokes, or stop with the presumptions coming from your own views.

I say, "Texas, let's roll!"

 

[righteousdude2]

"Founding Fathers"

Yeah, and the FF's would be annoyed to see what their hard and shed blood has morphed into. A limp liberal state of affairs. How sad.:tear:

 

[InTheLight]

Broad swipe with your opinionated brush. Now show us some facts to back up that statement.

I already stated there was precedent, the Civil War. (copy-and-paste from a few posts before)

During the Civil War, sorry, War of Northern Aggression, European nations would not recognize the Confederate States of America because Lincoln warned of repercussions. The South was also relying on exports of "King Cotton" (the worldwide demand for their cotton), to finance the war effort, but the Union blockade and surplus supplies of cotton in Europe killed that idea. The South's economy was destroyed and really only started recovering after WWII.


Did you not read that?

The only people rushing to leave Texas would be the entitled, and that would help the nation of Texas to slim down their budget quite considerably, especially since 35 to 40% of the people in America collect welfare and food stamps.

I didn't say anything about people leaving Texas so I'm not going to address this "point".

Texas would do well on their own, and other states might see they can cut the federal umbilical cord and be on their own too.

Yes, it's working for.....um, no states. It's working for no states. In fact ALL states try their hardest to land federal money for their state.

So, dtl, put some stats and facts behind your large brush strokes, or stop with the presumptions coming from your own views.

I say, "Texas, let's roll!"

Please tell us how Texas would be able to make it on its own. You think they're going to secede from the union and the US government is going to say "OK" and take no action?

 

[Zaac]

Please tell us how Texas would be able to make it on its own. You think they're going to secede from the union and the US government is going to say "OK" and take no action?

I would like to hear the answer to that too. That would mean no social services dollars, Medicare, Medicaid, pre-K, no federal grants to research universities, no research dollars from any company that does business in the 49 other states, divesture by all of those companies, no federal funding for the 31 military installations plus the loss of those jobs.

Texas imports more than it exports.

Gosh not to mention all of the companies based outside of Texas who do business in Texas that will stop paying workers.

Texas would straight collapse.

 

[InTheLight]

Texas would straight collapse.

Wait for Mr. Stompy-Foot to come along and say, "would not!"

 

[The American Dream]

As one of my friends said in this thread, lots of yacking, no backup. Here is an article on the Texas independent power grid. No other state has one.

http://www.texastribune.org/2011/02/08/texplainer-why-does-texas-have-its-own-power-grid/

Here is an article on how Texas GNP compares to California

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi...al-facts-behind-the-lone-star-states-miracle/

Here is how to do a state budget

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi...al-facts-behind-the-lone-star-states-miracle/

Making new sources of energy

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/06/11/3666649/georgetown-texas-one-hundred-percent-renewable/

Just a few examples but beats the fire out of posts full of hot air.

 

[TCassidy]

Please tell us how Texas would be able to make it on its own. You think they're going to secede from the union and the US government is going to say "OK" and take no action?

Could Texas succeed in seceding from the United States of America? Here are some very valuable facts on the matter as provided by C.G.P. Grey’s YouTube channel.



Texas was an independent nation for a decade

Texas had its own Presidents

David G. Burnet
Mar. 16, 1836 - Oct. 22, 1836

Sam Houston
Oct. 22, 1836 - Dec. 10, 1838

Mirabeau B. Lamar
Dec. 10, 1838 - Dec. 13, 1841

Sam Houston
Dec. 13, 1841 - Dec. 9, 1844

Anson Jones
Dec. 9, 1844 - Feb. 19, 1846

…and currency

The Texas dollar, informally named the "Texas redback", was the paper money of the Republic of Texas. The Texas dollar was issued between January 1839 and September 1840 by Mirabeau B. Lamar to minimize national debt during his Presidency of the Republic of Texas.[1] The name "redback" comes from the reddish color of the back of the bills.

If Texas was an independent country today it would be the 46th largest country in the world by population.

It would be the 13th largest economy in the world.

…making it comparable with Australia.

Independence for most states would be a financial disaster.

Not for Texas, it gives more money to the federal government than it gets back.

…and could give its own citizens a tax break if it were independent.

And 100% energy self-sufficient.

 

[TCassidy]

Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the united States, explicitly or implicitly disallows the secession of Texas (or any other "free and independent State") from the United States. Joining the "Union" was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option (regardless of what any self-appointed academic, media, or government "experts"—including Abraham Lincoln himself—may have ever said).

Both the original (1836) and the current (1876) Texas Constitutions also state that "All political power is inherent in the people ... they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Likewise, each of the united States is "united" with the others explicitly on the principle that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."