The 5 Points that lead me out of Calvinism

[savedbymercy]

I haven't been reading all the posts SBM, primarily just the ones between you and me.
Christ came into the world, as he stated, "to seek and to save the lost," whomever they would be. Many rejected him. Some received him.

In general terms John records what happened:
John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
--His own, that is the nations of Israel, rejected him. They crucified him instead.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
--But those who received him, were those that believed on his name and they were the ones that became the sons of God.
Salvation is a cooperative effort. Within the sovereignty of God, He allows the agency of faith as a necessary part of salvation. In fact without faith it is impossible to be saved. At the same time both Christ and Paul make it clear that faith is not a work. In fact faith and works oppose each other. Therefore salvation remains a gift from God, and totally from God, totally of God.
But it must be received by faith from God.

Answer the question with a yes or no ! Did Christ succeed 100 % in What He came to do ? Two things are mentioned in Lk 19:10 what He was to do, what are they and was He Successful in doing both ?

 

[savedbymercy]

The gospel is not hid from them that are lost. You butcher that verse.
You have not quoted the entirety of that verse. You take it out of context.

It says "the gospel is hid from them that are lost," as much as Psalm 14:1 says "There is no God."
That is how well you are quoting this scripture.

The Gospel is hid from them that are lost 2 Cor 4:3-4 you don't believe the scripture !

 

[DHK]

Answer the question with a yes or no ! Did Christ succeed 100 % in What He came to do ? Two things are mentioned in Lk 19:10 what He was to do, what are they and was He Successful in doing both ?

Christ came to seek and to save those who were lost.
Christ never fails; never sins; never abrogates his promises.
Of course he did what he said he would do.

Are you suggesting Christ is a failure?
Do you serve a failing Christ?

Were you once lost in your life or not? Answer that question that you keep avoiding.

 

[DHK]

The Gospel is hid from them that are lost 2 Cor 4:3-4 you don't believe the scripture !

"There is no God"--You don't believe the Scripture (Psalm 14:1)
--Either quote all of it, or don't quote it at all.

 

[savedbymercy]

Christ came to seek and to save those who were lost.
Christ never fails; never sins; never abrogates his promises.
Of course he did what he said he would do.

Are you suggesting Christ is a failure?
Do you serve a failing Christ?

Were you once lost in your life or not? Answer that question that you keep avoiding.

Did Christ seek and save all that were lost as He came to do ? You said that He never failed, so then answer yes or no sir !

 

[DHK]

Did Christ seek and save all that were lost as He came to do ? You said that He never failed, so then answer yes or no sir !

Of course he did what he said he would do.

Surely you can understand English.

 

[savedbymercy]

"There is no God"--You don't believe the Scripture (Psalm 14:1)
--Either quote all of it, or don't quote it at all.

Did you quote all of Ps 14 ? No you didn't, so you are being a hypocrite ! Now the scripture says that the Gospel is hid to them that are lost 2 Cor 4:3-4 and the it is permanently hid according to the greek tense of the verb hid, it is the perfect tense, do you understand that ?

 

[savedbymercy]

Of course he did what he said he would do.

Surely you can understand English.

Ok, so everyone is saved ! Are you a Universalist ? The reason why I asked is because some people are lost and will go into perdition and the lake of fire Matt 25:41 !

 

[DHK]

Did you quote all of Ps 14 ? No you didn't, so you are being a hypocrite ! Now the scripture says that the Gospel is hid to them that are lost 2 Cor 4:3-4 and the it is permanently hid according to the greek tense of the verb hid, it is the perfect tense, do you understand that ?

Let all know the deceitfulness of SBM in his quoting of Scripture:
Here is what 2Cor.4:3 actually says:

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

Notice Paul's words: "IF OUR GOSPEL BE HID,"
But Paul never preached an hidden or veiled (literally) gospel.
That is what the false teachers taught. His gospel was a glorious gospel that shined forth the light of Jesus Christ. It is the light that dispels the darkness.

He goes on to say in verse 4:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
--The light of the glorious gospel: The gospel is always light; it always shines.
The light of the glorious gospel is Christ Himself. He is the image of God. Through Christ we see God. It is the only way. It is the only way a lost man can see God and be saved.
Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes unto the Father but by me."
He came to the lost, to save the lost. His message is to the lost. It is a glorious message to the lost.

Those that reject it will be blinded, and their blindness will be aided and abetted by Satan, the god of this world, that they believe not.

There is a reason why SBM will not quote the first part of verse. If he does it changes the meaning of the verse. It doesn't say what he wants it to say. Thus he takes the verse out of its context which is sad.

 

[DHK]

Ok, so everyone is saved ! Are you a Universalist ? The reason why I asked is because some people are lost and will go into perdition and the lake of fire Matt 25:41 !

Jesus said: "I came to seek and to save the lost."
You don't believe him. He is a liar you say. You come to a false conclusion from the error that you believe because of your own false premises.
Jesus never fails.
Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and forever.
Jesus said: "I come to do the will of my Father."
He completed the will of his father. He did not fail.
He did not lie.
But your conclusion is that he did lie. That is sad.

Were you ever lost at any point in your life?
Are you now saved?
Why do you have a hard time answering these very basic questions?

 

[Don]

Yup, I'm on ignore.

DHK - she's saying that Jesus' reference to seeking and saving the lost is within the calvinist viewpoint. In other words, "the sheep that have gone astray." They never stopped being His sheep; they're the ones that Jesus is talking about when He says the shepherd will search for the one, and rejoice when it's back with the other 99.

Not saying I agree; just indicating that I think I understand what she's trying to say.

 

[savedbymercy]

Let all know the deceitfulness of SBM in his quoting of Scripture:
Here is what 2Cor.4:3 actually says:

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

Notice Paul's words: "IF OUR GOSPEL BE HID,"
But Paul never preached an hidden or veiled (literally) gospel.
That is what the false teachers taught. His gospel was a glorious gospel that shined forth the light of Jesus Christ. It is the light that dispels the darkness.

He goes on to say in verse 4:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
--The light of the glorious gospel: The gospel is always light; it always shines.
The light of the glorious gospel is Christ Himself. He is the image of God. Through Christ we see God. It is the only way. It is the only way a lost man can see God and be saved.
Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes unto the Father but by me."
He came to the lost, to save the lost. His message is to the lost. It is a glorious message to the lost.

Those that reject it will be blinded, and their blindness will be aided and abetted by Satan, the god of this world, that they believe not.

There is a reason why SBM will not quote the first part of verse. If he does it changes the meaning of the verse. It doesn't say what he wants it to say. Thus he takes the verse out of its context which is sad.

Next time you quote a scripture be sure you present the context ok ? If you don't you are being hypocritical ! And nothing is changing, The Gospel is hid to them that are lost ! 2 Cor 4:3-4 !

 

[savedbymercy]

Jesus said: "I came to seek and to save the lost."
You don't believe him. He is a liar you say. You come to a false conclusion from the error that you believe because of your own false premises.
Jesus never fails.
Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and forever.
Jesus said: "I come to do the will of my Father."
He completed the will of his father. He did not fail.
He did not lie.
But your conclusion is that he did lie. That is sad.

Were you ever lost at any point in your life?
Are you now saved?
Why do you have a hard time answering these very basic questions?

[quote name="DHK" post=2180641]Of course he did what he said he would do. <br />
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Surely you can understand English.[/QUOTE]
Ok, so everyone is saved ! Are you a Universalist ? The reason why I asked is because some people are lost and will go into perdition and the lake of fire Matt 25:41 !

 

[InTheLight]

Yup, I'm on ignore.

I can't say for sure if SBM has you on ignore or not, I was suggesting that rather than pull your hair out trying to have a "discussion" with SBM, you may want to employ the Ignore function.

 

[DHK]

Next time you quote a scripture be sure you present the context ok ? If you don't you are being hypocritical ! And nothing is changing, The Gospel is hid to them that are lost ! 2 Cor 4:3-4 !

That is your opinion. It is not based on what the Bible says.
Here is what the Bible says. You might want to memorize it, and then meditate on it:

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

 

[DHK]

[quote name="DHK" post=2180641]Of course he did what he said he would do. <br />
<br />
Surely you can understand English.

Ok, so everyone is saved ! Are you a Universalist ? The reason why I asked is because some people are lost and will go into perdition and the lake of fire Matt 25:41 ![/QUOTE]

Again, your opinion based on false premises.
I gave you scriptures. I also gave you a couple of questions, that you won't answer. Why is that?
Please answer the questions.

 

[savedbymercy]

That is your opinion. It is not based on what the Bible says.
Here is what the Bible says. You might want to memorize it, and then meditate on it:

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

You might want to believe what the scripture says, the Gospel is hid from them that are lost 2 Cor 4:3-4 ! The Gospel is a word of Salvation to the saved Eph 1:13 ! A lost person does not have or possess Salvation, Duh !

 

[PreachTony]

I can't believe this is still going...

The Gospel is hid from them that are lost , permanently hid 2 Cor 4:3-4 !

For the record, savedbymercy, there is nothing in the verse applying any sense of permanency to the potential hidden gospel. You have had multiple BB members try to explain to you that Paul is not talking about a permanently hidden gospel, but rather is saying that if we were to hide the gospel, we do so at the detriment of the lost.

I'm sorry you simply cannot see that.

 

[Don]

I can't say for sure if SBM has you on ignore or not, I was suggesting that rather than pull your hair out trying to have a "discussion" with SBM, you may want to employ the Ignore function.

Oh, I know. Just every once in a while, she posts something that I'd like to clarify, so I ask a question; but apparently I'm not worthy.

 

[savedbymercy]

I can't believe this is still going...



For the record, savedbymercy, there is nothing in the verse applying any sense of permanency to the potential hidden gospel. You have had multiple BB members try to explain to you that Paul is not talking about a permanently hidden gospel, but rather is saying that if we were to hide the gospel, we do so at the detriment of the lost.

I'm sorry you simply cannot see that.

You don't believe the verse ! The Gospel is not hidden from every one, but to Them that are lost ! 2 Cor 4:3-2 and yes it is permanently hidden from them.