Well, then let's look at it.On the contrary, I think the analogy was spot on and you are changing the subject. @Iconoclast's post was in reply to @agedman's post #41. I think maybe you should read that. You should also study and meditate upon Genesis 45:8.
If the Lord Jesus did not suffer God's wrath against sin then nothing is more certain that you and I will suffer it. This is made plain in numerous portions of the Bible to those who have eyes to see.
Continually saying "'taint so" does not affect the truth of Penal Substitution.
@Iconoclast says that we "two" (yes, he included me) believe that mother nature caused the flood.
Yet nothing that @agedman or I have posted even mentions the flood. He (@Iconoclast ) was taking liberties simply because we believe any understanding of the Cross has to be centered in Scripture. So he made an outlandish and false accusation without even asking us if it is remotely accurate to our belief.
Both of us have already said Chrust's suffering was by the will and predetermined plan of God. I will even say Judas' betrayal was according to God's plan.
Now, I also need to point out to you that the Flood is not mentioned in Genesis 3. The reason I said to start there is it is a passage Penal Substitution Theorists deny, but it has contributed to the traditional understanding of the Cross and Christ's victory.
As far as the flood goes, this was not the wrath to come towards which Christ is the Propitiation.
But it does show that the wages of sin is a physical death, and then there is a Christ-centered Judgment to come. Noah, while a sinner, was saved from that death by relying on God.