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No, we learn from history; we learn from Godly people especially that have lived throughout history. We learn how God has used individuals throughout history. This is the history that you ignore; the history that you say has not the power of God; the history you deny.

NO! The Holy Spirit does not give revelation any longer. There are 66 books of the Bible: 39 OT, and 27 NT. It is a closed revelation. The Holy Spirit brought back THAT revelation to the apostles that they could write it down for us.
You are not inspired of God, and God does not give you revelation to add to the Bible. Perhaps you can ask the Mormons if you can add your words of wisdom to the Book of Mormon, but you may not add it to the Bible. It is a closed canon. There is a curse on those that add or take away from the Word.

 

By their context, I have shown you the meaning of the verses you have referenced, which totally refutes your erroneous view but which you willfully and ignorantly ignore.

You disparage all the believers down through the ages who evangelized their neighbors and the world, who stood steadfastly for the Gospel through all kinds of persecution, even to the point of martyrdom. You disparage them because according to you they were not baptized by the Holy Spirit and were therefore lacking in their spiritual life, not having or manifesting the "full" Gospel. What arrogance, but very typical of Charismatics. You should be ashamed.

 

That is ignorant and foolish. And it shows that you either can't read or you selectively read. I have said many times that I am not a cessationist, that I believe any and all of the gifts are present today. What is erroneous is your and the Charismatic/Pentecostal view of how they are used, how they are received, and the meaning and time of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. You cannot build true doctrine from an erroneous base. A false foundation is the source for all kinds of false doctrine, and not only that but charlatans who deceive the sheep, as well.

"Deny the power", "deny the power", that's all you can say. That is one of the stupidest things that folks like you spew out. The HS is not an electrical outlet for you to stick your finger in and get a jolt. The Holy Spirit is as I stated. Until you see that, you'll go on falsely seeking a new electrical power surge every so often. So foolish, misguided, and demeaning of the true work and person of the Holy Spirit.

 

Is he welcome when you watch TV? Or even when you bounce some of these badly written posts on to the BB? So, he is not ALWAYS welcome, is he?
As for being in his presence, we normally come deliberately into his presence when we spend time in prayer, or are even in an attitude of prayer. Again, you must ask yourself when you are not in an attitude of prayer, and I am sure that there are those times.
But the power of God is not always at work. This is where you are sadly mistaken. Read the book of Acts, and you will find the power of God directly related to the preaching of the Word of God, to witnessing. I said before to study carefully Acts 1:8. The Holy Spirit (its power) was given so they could "be witnesses, both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and into the uttermost parts of the earth." That is why they needed the power of the Holy Spirit. One can pray for power as they go and seek to witness to others, or for the preacher as he preaches God's Word. That is the reason for the power of the Holy Spirit. Study carefully the Book of Acts, and see why power was given to the disciples. It had purpose.

If you "believed" in unbelief how could you be saved? That doesn't make a lot of sense does it? Either you believed in Christ by faith or you didn't. Either the Holy Spirit, by the power of Christ came and indwelt your life and began to change your life according to his power or he didn't. If there was no change in your life from before the time you were saved, perhaps you were never saved in the first place. True salvation always produces change in a person.

It is not a matter of being released. Where does the Bible talk of something being "released" from you? That is pure Charismatic jargon.
The Bible does speak of the filling of the Holy Spirit, which I suspect you have mixed up with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (which takes place only at salvation).

Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
--The verb here is to be continually filled with the Holy Spirit, and is a command given to every believer. The Holy Spirit is to be treated here as an outside force. It is a contrast. What happens when a person allows himself to take liquor into his body and get drunk? He does things he normally would not do. He allows an outside force to take control of his body and he acts outside of his comfort zone doing things he normally would not do.
In the same way we are to so yield ourselves to the Holy Spirit that we operate outside of our "comfort zone" and allow the Holy Spirit to control us so that we would do things we don't normally do (but not in a bad way; in a good way). We witness to individuals that we would not normally witness to. God gives us that power. Totally yielding ourselves to God, we become dead to sin, and can be used in ways that we otherwise would have never been used before. (This has nothing to do with speaking in tongues, healing, miracles, etc.) It has to do with obedience to God.

 

When YOU post something the something that YOU post are YOUR words, and belong to YOU PERSONALLY. When refuted therefore you go on the defensive, and tell me that I am unjustly accusing you. You above statements are ridiculous.
You have been making statements about the Holy Spirit, being in His presence, always having His power, etc. I gave a rebuttal. I will give it again:
Do you have the power of the Holy Spirit when you sit in front of the TV watching a football game?
Now instead of unjustly accusing me of anything, answer the question!
Are you standing in the presence of Holy Spirit when you cheer for your favorite team?
These are not snide remarks. The fact that you say they are snide remarks only demonstrates that you are easily offended, whereas the "Spiritual love" described in 1Cor.13:1-7, "is not easily offended."

That is true. But that doesn't happen all the time, and that was my point.

I carefully explained myself and still you misrepresent my position and put words in my mouth that I never said.
First: The Bible commands us to be continually filled with his Spirit, which I seek to do.
Second, this has nothing to do with the gifts of the Spirit mentioned in 1Cor.12, for they have ceased. I cannot seek after something that doesn't exist. That is the foolishness of the Charismatic movement and how fraudulent it is. They offer an imitation for the real that the Bible describes is no longer here. But cheap imitations are not worth the emotional price tag that one ends up paying.

See how you continue to misuse this word. It is as if you don't know its meaning though I continue to define ti for you, even through another translation. The so-called manifestations that you speak of are not for today. Those are called "the gifts of the Holy Spirit," not "manifestations." Please learn that.

1Co 12:7 The Spirit has given each of us a special way of serving others.
--The Holy Spirit works in every believer, giving us all different ways of serving him. This is how he manifests himself today, and it has nothing to do with the "gifts of the Holy Spirit" mentioned in 1Cor.12 which have ceased. The two are not interchangeable.

There is no such thing. There are thousands upon thousands of "manifestations" that is, ways that the Holy Spirit works or manifests himself through believers in their service for Him. It has nothing to do with the "gifts of the Holy Spirit," as you mistakenly assume. Study your Bible.

Typical Charismatic mumbo-jumbo not found in the Bible.
Letting out what? Your liver, kidneys, bladder, thyroid, intestines, or just what else is in there that you want to let out??
This "letting out" jargon, is in scripture just as much as "slain in the spirit" is in the Bible. It is nonsense.

The Lord does not lead us into those things that are clearly against his will, and that includes speaking gibberish, nonsensical babble found only among paganism and cults, and the cult of the Charismatic movement founded in 1905!

 

It should be clear to everyone reading all this that the final authority for Charismatics is not the Bible but their own experiences, a very unstable and dangerous proposition!

 

Do you hold that a Christian MUST experience the Baptism in the Holy Ghost as evidenced by speaking in other tongues in order to be able to teach/preach the "full Gospel?"

 

No, we don't ignore either books, its just that we interprete them in the correct matter, with the grammar/history/contex/setting etc, and that we realise that those books were adressing a transistion period, beginnings of the Church, andthat we have a differentfashion the Spirit speaks and act thru/to us today, as its thecompleted word of God!

 

And when will you stop doing that?