The Christ of RCC is the Son of Lucifer

[Thinkingstuff]

Thy word id truth, a light unto my path
heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall never pass away
washing and renewing in the word

Doesn't Amy Grant sing a song based on this psalm? Also combining it with Jesus words which anyway not one word of that suggest the Bible Alone is as you say is

Bible is the ONLY source of authority/doctrines/practices

huh? Imagine that you can't find a verse to support your doctrinal statement. Since this is the case you must have arrived at that conclusion from an extra biblical source.

God ALONE inspired to the church the bible,

Intersting turn of phrase. So you are admiting the bible came from the church as it was inspired to write it. At least you got that right.

as it ALONE is to ne the only spiritual authority,

You still haven't found a verse to support that view. Not one thing you quote from scripture say exactly that.

grace you are saved, thru faith and NOT OF ANY WORKS

Notice the one word that it is missing that the scripture does not say. I cannot find that word alone in that passage. Catholics agree you can't be saved by works without faith. But like James says faith without works is dead. And as I already showed you Catholics believe in salvation by grace through faith working in love.

for if salvation came thru by works. one could boast , but its God that justifies the ungodly thru faith in jesus alone

That is why Catholics don't believe works of themselves saves but again where is that phrase "faith alone"? Its not there. Catholics also believe you must hold to faith in Jesus but didn't also just add to scripture? Ephesians 2 actually says

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

So you didn't even quote the passage right and added your own stuff to it. Man you are tearing up the bible all over the place.

Jesus intercedes as high priest, why have mary as the high priestess?

We don't. You just made that up.

The RCC has the words/terminology, but you vest them with meanings alien and foreign and not biblical!

Basically, what you are saying here is you can't prove your point so like people who believe in conspiracy theories you make up a false conspiracy that has no basis in truth.

 

[Yeshua1]

Doesn't Amy Grant sing a song based on this psalm? Also combining it with Jesus words which anyway not one word of that suggest the Bible Alone is as you say is huh? Imagine that you can't find a verse to support your doctrinal statement. Since this is the case you must have arrived at that conclusion from an extra biblical source.

Intersting turn of phrase. So you are admiting the bible came from the church as it was inspired to write it. At least you got that right. You still haven't found a verse to support that view. Not one thing you quote from scripture say exactly that.


Notice the one word that it is missing that the scripture does not say. I cannot find that word alone in that passage. Catholics agree you can't be saved by works without faith. But like James says faith without works is dead. And as I already showed you Catholics believe in salvation by grace through faith working in love.

That is why Catholics don't believe works of themselves saves but again where is that phrase "faith alone"? Its not there. Catholics also believe you must hold to faith in Jesus but didn't also just add to scripture? Ephesians 2 actually says So you didn't even quote the passage right and added your own stuff to it. Man you are tearing up the bible all over the place.


We don't. You just made that up.

Basically, what you are saying here is you can't prove your point so like people who believe in conspiracy theories you make up a false conspiracy that has no basis in truth.

can you show JUST in the Bible where mary gets all those attributes the RCC grants unto her?

Where Sacraments are even there, much less Grace found in them?

Where salvation is something we cannot even be certain of?

that paul said that one must have sacraments+Works+faith=salvation?

Where is ANY of that found in the Bible?

 

[Thinkingstuff]

can you show JUST in the Bible where mary gets all those attributes the RCC grants unto her?

So you can't deny that the Catholic Church holds to gospel truths so you change the subject? That's a typical tactic. One which is obvious and over used. Can't even stay on topic. I think you should stop with the vitriol and actually study the subject for yourself rather than rely on other people's bad information.

Where Sacraments are even there, much less Grace found in them?

All over scriptures. Baptism? Luke 3:16; Matthew 3:13-17; Mark 1:9-11; Luke 3:21-22; John 1:29-33; Matthew 28:19-20; Mark 1:4-5; Acts 2:38; Acts 8:35-38; Acts 16:31-33; 1 Corinthians 12:13;Galatians 3:27; 1Peter 3:21.

Confirmation? John 16:13; Galatians 5:22; John 14:1-21; 2 Tim 3:16; Col 2:8; Eph 2:8-9; Gal 6:9-10; 1 Cor 6:11

Communion? 1 Cor 11:26; Luke 22:19-20; John 6:53-58; Matt 26:26-28; John 6:51; Luke 24:30; ...

Marriage? Gen 2:22-24; Prov 5:18-19; Prov 12:4; Prov 18:22; Matt 19:4-6; 1 Cor 7:1-16; Eph 5:22-23; Col 3:18-19; Hebrews 13:4-7; Mark 10:6-9;...

Reconciliation? John 20:21-23; Matt. 9:8; Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10; Luke 5:24; John 20:22-23; Matt. 18:18; 2 Cor. 2:10; 2 Cor. 5:18; James 5:15-16; 1 John 1:9; ....

Anointing of the sick? Mark 6:13; James 5:14-15; Gal. 4:13-14; 2 Tim. 4:20;...

Holy Orders? Matt. 10:1,40; Matt. 16:19; 18:18; Luke 9:1; 10:19; Luke 10:16; Luke 22:29; John 16:14-15; John 17:18; 20:21; Acts 20:28; Eph. 2:20

Where salvation is something we cannot even be certain of?

What are you talking about? I am certain of my salvation save I remain in Christ. If I don't remain in Christ I can make a Shipwreck of my faith Like Peter says.

that paul said that one must have sacraments+Works+faith=salvation?

And you spout off showing your ignorance of catholic belief. Salvation is a gift It comes by Grace through faith working in love. Period. Your nonsense shows that you confuse the saving act with the sanctification process in Catholic thought. You are so stuck on your cheep grace faith that you ignore the sanctifying process of the Holy Spirit.

Where is ANY of that found in the Bible?

I can quote bible verses at you all day long and you will still hold to your extra biblical perspectives. But if you want to know about Salvation by Grace working in love check out Ephesians 2

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

If you don't do what God newly created you to do (Good works) what good is the gift, grace, even saving you if you remain in your sin?

 

[Eliyahu]

Well, I do

It does not say "Dius" in the Latin mass. It says "ejus" Which makes it a different connotation all together. Latin masses are used world wide and it doesn't change from country to country and this is the only version permitted to be used. No "version" would use Dius in place of ejus. And I already showed you what is actually used. Your "Latin" understanding is bad. For instance Dius does not mean God and is pronounced Dee Oos. The word which means God is Deus which is pronounced Day Yoos. The word used in this passage is ejus which is pronounced Ay Yoos. So clearly you don't know how to listen to Latin. Also if you insist that your translation or interpretation of what you heard is correct then know that you are saying "flammas dius lucifer" which is directly word for word translated "flame farmer morning star". So, what you are really trying to say is that you believe Catholics are saying Jesus is the son of a flamming farmer named morning star! LOL!

You don't know how to listen to the chanting in Latin.

Your post proves that. Otherwise you'd better buy a hearing-aid.

You don't know how to hear it in Latin, that's why you bring another written recital.

Watch it again here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7ioL4HMOY40

The chanting in the last part of the video clearly mentions the following:


Flammas Dius Lucifer Matutmus invenient
Ille, inquam, Lucifer Qui nescit occasum.
Christus Fillus Tuus Qui, regressus ab inferis,
Humano generi serenus illuxit Et vivgt et regnet in saeculorum
Saeculorum

This is not difficult to understand.

Your responses prove that it was quite right that I posted the video. Watch it again, just focus on the last portion after 3 min 30 senconds.

It will take just 30-60 seconds. Watch it several times.

Then you will confirm what I posted is true.

Roman Catholic is not Christian at all!

Roman Catholic is the religion invented by Satan to confront and prevent the Real Christianity!

 

[Eliyahu]

Roman Catholic is a Key Corps of Babylonian Religion Army.

RCC is not Christian!

Babylon Religion is organized as following:


Corps of Babylonian Army
1. Key Elite Corps – Roman Catholic (1.5 Billion)
This is controlled directly by Pontifex Maximus whose throne was moved from Pergamo ( Revelation 2:13)
2. The 2nd Corps – Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox, Bulgarian Orthodox- 600 Million
3. The 3rd Corps – COE ( Church of England), Episcopal Church (USA) 100 Million
4. The 4th Corps – Hinduism, Krishna Goddess Worship, 1 Corp of Poverty Drivers ( 700 Million)
5. The 5th Corps – Buddhism, Lama Religion 2nd - Corp of Poverty Drivers (600 Million)
Buddhism contains Nirvana which imitates Being Born Again, Resurrection after death.

6. The 6th Corps – Confucianism, Taoism, Ancestor Worship (1 Billion)
7. The 7th Fighters Corp – Islam (1.3 Billion), Moon god Allah worship, Suicide Bombers – Kadija ( Catholic Widow) was the first wife of Mohamed, Fatima was the daughter of Mohamed connecting with Catholic.

 

[Eliyahu]

Eliyahu, have you noticed that absolutely no one is jumping in to defend the OP. Only a couple of posters attacking Catholicism in general. Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough? The translation of the chant that is shown on the video is wrong. No ifs, ands or buts about it. It is wrong. And it is wrong for you to continue to insist it is right when all you have to do is a little research yourself. So far you just want to rely on translation provided in the video and your faulty Latin.

It is said that if a lie is repeated often enough and loudly enough, people will come to believe it.

A real whopper may never be believed fully by anyone, no matter how often or loudly it is proclaimed, but for a whopper to be effective, it does not need to be believed in every detail. It is enough that it leaves behind a bad impression. People will think that if anyone bothers to promote such a lie, there must be a kernel of truth in it.

The same goes for exaggeration and false implications. Distort the truth and people will think it has some basis in fact. Take a truth and phrase it in such a way that it looks suspicious, or juxtapose it with an acknowledged evil, and the mind will be tempted to draw all sorts of ill-founded conclusions.

The same applies to your posts. You just bring another article which is different from what I posted. You are trying to object to Orange by bringing Apple. Just watch the video on my post, then you will find it!


My post is very simple to prove. None of you guys properly listened to the Chanting in Latin.

Listen to it first. then you will hear the following in the last portion of the chanting after 3:30


Flammas Dius Lucifer Matutmus invenient
Ille, inquam, Lucifer Qui nescit occasum.
Christus Fillus Tuus Qui, regressus ab inferis,
Humano generi serenus illuxit Et vivgt et regnet in saeculorum
Saeculorum


If you find the above was chanted, then the only thing left is how to interpret it.

The onhly difference may be Luchifer instead of Lucifer.


Could you not hear the above? Then you better buy a hearing-aid!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Without catholism you would have many fat and stupid Baptist churches....come to think of it....you have that now. How many of these gathering places really follow the Great Commission for example or practice a non -judgemental form of Christianity....very few I'm afraid. So the RCC serves as competition. They do indeed follow through and feed the poor, the homeless and the destitute....generally much better than we Baptists do. They are also a bulkwork against practiced abortion's & euthanasia.

I have a theory...and that is when the RCC brgins to flounder then the Protestants and Baptists will also...so completion is a good thing.:godisgood:

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Roman Catholic is a Key Corps of Babylonian Religion Army.

RCC is not Christian!

Babylon Religion is organized as following:


Corps of Babylonian Army
1. Key Elite Corps – Roman Catholic (1.5 Billion)
This is controlled directly by Pontifex Maximus whose throne was moved from Pergamo ( Revelation 2:13)
2. The 2nd Corps – Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox, Bulgarian Orthodox- 600 Million
3. The 3rd Corps – COE ( Church of England), Episcopal Church (USA) 100 Million
4. The 4th Corps – Hinduism, Krishna Goddess Worship, 1 Corp of Poverty Drivers ( 700 Million)
5. The 5th Corps – Buddhism, Lama Religion 2nd - Corp of Poverty Drivers (600 Million)
Buddhism contains Nirvana which imitates Being Born Again, Resurrection after death.

6. The 6th Corps – Confucianism, Taoism, Ancestor Worship (1 Billion)
7. The 7th Fighters Corp – Islam (1.3 Billion), Moon god Allah worship, Suicide Bombers – Kadija ( Catholic Widow) was the first wife of Mohamed, Fatima was the daughter of Mohamed connecting with Catholic.

Frankly, I think you're off your rocker.

 

[Walter]

The same applies to your posts. You just bring another article which is different from what I posted. You are trying to object to Orange by bringing Apple. Just watch the video on my post, then you will find it!


My post is very simple to prove. None of you guys properly listened to the Chanting in Latin.

Listen to it first. then you will hear the following in the last portion of the chanting after 3:30


Flammas Dius Lucifer Matutmus invenient
Ille, inquam, Lucifer Qui nescit occasum.
Christus Fillus Tuus Qui, regressus ab inferis,
Humano generi serenus illuxit Et vivgt et regnet in saeculorum
Saeculorum


If you find the above was chanted, then the only thing left is how to interpret it.

The onhly difference may be Luchifer instead of Lucifer.


Could you not hear the above? Then you better buy a hearing-aid!

You don't need to continue to insist that we listen to the video. We have. Thinkingstuff has explained the problem with what your video says is being chanted and what is actually being chanted. You ignore everything he has posted. He explained what the reference to lucifer is (reference to the paschal candle) and what it is not (calling on Satan). All the examples I gave you of the word lucifer (lower case in the latin chant) being used in ways other than references to Satan you chose to ignore
I explained that this same chant is used in many churches at the Easter Vigil besides the Holy Catholic Church. It is not 'secretly' chanted differently in the Vatican because, according to you, they can get away with it there.
You ignore everything that has been presented to you because of your hatred of Catholics. You start spewing how we aren't Christians and the tired old Babylonian Mystery Religion malarky.
Again, nobody is buying into this nonsense you are espousing about the video. There are people using this thread to take shots at the Catholic Church but not to defend your objection to the chant. The people who posted this video on Youtube interpreted the latin being chanted wrongly, period. You refuse to believe it because you want to believe Catholics call upon Satan.

 

[Matt Black]

Roman Catholic is a Key Corps of Babylonian Religion Army.

RCC is not Christian!

Babylon Religion is organized as following:


Corps of Babylonian Army
1. Key Elite Corps – Roman Catholic (1.5 Billion)
This is controlled directly by Pontifex Maximus whose throne was moved from Pergamo ( Revelation 2:13)
2. The 2nd Corps – Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox, Bulgarian Orthodox- 600 Million
3. The 3rd Corps – COE ( Church of England), Episcopal Church (USA) 100 Million
4. The 4th Corps – Hinduism, Krishna Goddess Worship, 1 Corp of Poverty Drivers ( 700 Million)
5. The 5th Corps – Buddhism, Lama Religion 2nd - Corp of Poverty Drivers (600 Million)
Buddhism contains Nirvana which imitates Being Born Again, Resurrection after death.

6. The 6th Corps – Confucianism, Taoism, Ancestor Worship (1 Billion)
7. The 7th Fighters Corp – Islam (1.3 Billion), Moon god Allah worship, Suicide Bombers – Kadija ( Catholic Widow) was the first wife of Mohamed, Fatima was the daughter of Mohamed connecting with Catholic.

Been at the wacky baccy much?

 

[Bro. James]

It seems a little foggy, even stenchy, on Mars Hill lately-probably more than second hand cannabis fumes.
​

The stench is from our self-righteousness. As usual, we fail to realize the extent of the depravity of mankind. Our depravity is particularly evident in our religion. Ninety nine point ninety nine percent of religion is man/woman made based on good works for salvation. These religions are counterfeit.

How long does one keep a counterfeit before it becomes genuine?

All of of our righteousness is as filthy rags. Now what?

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Eliyahu]

Been at the wacky baccy much?

I don't care what you say, but the focus is that God calls the people from the Religion of Babylon ( Rev 18:4)

Some Born-Again believers are among RCC while there are many fake Christians even among the Baptists and Brethren.

But God is calling them to come out of the Babylonian Religion.

Jesus mentioned Pergamo as the place where the Throne of Satan is located ( Re 2:13). If you visit Pergamon Museum in Berli, you will realize why Jesus said that.

From Pergamo, Etruscan moved to Northern Italy, one of the descendants was Julius Caesar who became the Pontifex Maximus for the first time in Italy, then that title has become the center of the persecution of the Christians, then it passed down to the emperors, down to Gratian who handed over the title to Bishop of Rome, since then Bishop of Rome, the Pope became the center of persecution of Christians.

You have to see the forest of the whole Babylonian Religion!

If you don't realize it, you will do it at the Judgment Seat!

 

[Eliyahu]

Roman Catholic is simply a Fake Christian Religion, like fake money bills

1 millon Dollars of fake money bills can be worth a half million Dollar?

No, Anyone who hold it will be punished.

What they trust is the multitude of their followers. They rely on the number of human beings.

They don't believe in God, but in the human beings and in their gods.

 

[Eliyahu]

You ignore everything that has been presented to you because of your hatred of Catholics. You start spewing how we aren't Christians and the tired old Babylonian Mystery Religion malarky.
Again, nobody is buying into this nonsense you are espousing about the video. There are people using this thread to take shots at the Catholic Church but not to defend your objection to the chant. The people who posted this video on Youtube interpreted the latin being chanted wrongly, period. You refuse to believe it because you want to believe Catholics call upon Satan.

You ignore what is posted here because you love the Idolatry and paganism,

I don't carew about the number of the people while you may trust in the number of human beings.

Your passion for the goddess worship and your love for Lucifer blinded you as well!


I proudly hate the paganism,Idolatry, goddess worship and therefore God loves me, which is the most important!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Roman Catholic is simply a Fake Christian Religion, like fake money bills

1 millon Dollars of fake money bills can be worth a half million Dollar?

No, Anyone who hold it will be punished.

What they trust is the multitude of their followers. They rely on the number of human beings.

They don't believe in God, but in the human beings and in their gods.

So why are you telling us this...we are predominently Baptists. Should you not be charging headlong at the Catholics? The Catholics you see here know all the arguements because they were Baptist's at one time...so you can convince no one here. BTW...they believe in God...they have just mucked up thing with Mary.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Roman Catholic is a Key Corps of Babylonian Religion Army.

RCC is not Christian!

Babylon Religion is organized as following:


Corps of Babylonian Army
1. Key Elite Corps – Roman Catholic (1.5 Billion)
This is controlled directly by Pontifex Maximus whose throne was moved from Pergamo ( Revelation 2:13)
2. The 2nd Corps – Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox, Bulgarian Orthodox- 600 Million
3. The 3rd Corps – COE ( Church of England), Episcopal Church (USA) 100 Million
4. The 4th Corps – Hinduism, Krishna Goddess Worship, 1 Corp of Poverty Drivers ( 700 Million)
5. The 5th Corps – Buddhism, Lama Religion 2nd - Corp of Poverty Drivers (600 Million)
Buddhism contains Nirvana which imitates Being Born Again, Resurrection after death.

6. The 6th Corps – Confucianism, Taoism, Ancestor Worship (1 Billion)
7. The 7th Fighters Corp – Islam (1.3 Billion), Moon god Allah worship, Suicide Bombers – Kadija ( Catholic Widow) was the first wife of Mohamed, Fatima was the daughter of Mohamed connecting with Catholic.

I think Brother Eliyahu is showing troubling signs. Paranoia, conspiracy theories not based in reality, unable to converse reasonably. These are troubling signs and it seems you need prayer. So I will pray for you and ask that the Lord heal you and restore you.

One final note in my conversation with you. The Babylonian empire was destroyed over 2,000 years ago by the Persians. Their Empire and influence have long sinced vanished as was prophesied by Daniel.

"May the Lord make his face to shine upon you and heal you of your infirmities while he provides you with his grace and love to sustain you through out your days" - Amen.

 

[Yeshua1]

So you can't deny that the Catholic Church holds to gospel truths so you change the subject? That's a typical tactic. One which is obvious and over used. Can't even stay on topic. I think you should stop with the vitriol and actually study the subject for yourself rather than rely on other people's bad information.

All over scriptures. Baptism? Luke 3:16; Matthew 3:13-17; Mark 1:9-11; Luke 3:21-22; John 1:29-33; Matthew 28:19-20; Mark 1:4-5; Acts 2:38; Acts 8:35-38; Acts 16:31-33; 1 Corinthians 12:13;Galatians 3:27; 1Peter 3:21.

Confirmation? John 16:13; Galatians 5:22; John 14:1-21; 2 Tim 3:16; Col 2:8; Eph 2:8-9; Gal 6:9-10; 1 Cor 6:11

Communion? 1 Cor 11:26; Luke 22:19-20; John 6:53-58; Matt 26:26-28; John 6:51; Luke 24:30; ...

Marriage? Gen 2:22-24; Prov 5:18-19; Prov 12:4; Prov 18:22; Matt 19:4-6; 1 Cor 7:1-16; Eph 5:22-23; Col 3:18-19; Hebrews 13:4-7; Mark 10:6-9;...

Reconciliation? John 20:21-23; Matt. 9:8; Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10; Luke 5:24; John 20:22-23; Matt. 18:18; 2 Cor. 2:10; 2 Cor. 5:18; James 5:15-16; 1 John 1:9; ....

Anointing of the sick? Mark 6:13; James 5:14-15; Gal. 4:13-14; 2 Tim. 4:20;...

Holy Orders? Matt. 10:1,40; Matt. 16:19; 18:18; Luke 9:1; 10:19; Luke 10:16; Luke 22:29; John 16:14-15; John 17:18; 20:21; Acts 20:28; Eph. 2:20

What are you talking about? I am certain of my salvation save I remain in Christ. If I don't remain in Christ I can make a Shipwreck of my faith Like Peter says.

And you spout off showing your ignorance of catholic belief. Salvation is a gift It comes by Grace through faith working in love. Period. Your nonsense shows that you confuse the saving act with the sanctification process in Catholic thought. You are so stuck on your cheep grace faith that you ignore the sanctifying process of the Holy Spirit.

I can quote bible verses at you all day long and you will still hold to your extra biblical perspectives. But if you want to know about Salvation by Grace working in love check out Ephesians 2
If you don't do what God newly created you to do (Good works) what good is the gift, grace, even saving you if you remain in your sin?

Do you deny then your RCC salvation doctrine itself? As it plainly teaches that water baptism washes away original sin, regenerates the infant into the kingdom of christ, and that by Co operating with God thru the Graces He offers to us thru the 7 sacraments, that one can be made clean enough, purged enough of sin in order to be able to have God declare them saved at the judgement...

the church denies that one EVER can know for absolute sense one is saved, for theperson may not fulfill the acts/deeds required, attain enough Sacramental gracing a srequired etc..

You do know that is NOT what paul and the other Apsotlres taught concering salvation, right?

And there are ONLY 2 ordinances referred to in the bible, and NEITHER have any kind of saving grace attached to them!

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Do you deny then your RCC salvation doctrine itself?

No.

As it plainly teaches that water baptism washes away original sin,

Did you not read those bible verses I presented to you? Did not Peter say "This baptism which now saves you"? Does not Paul say we made clean by the washing? So in line with scripture the RCC is right about baptism.

regenerates the infant into the kingdom of christ

Not just infants but adults too.

and that by Co operating with God thru the Graces He offers to us thru the 7 sacraments, that one can be made clean enough, purged enough of sin in order to be able to have God declare them saved at the judgement...

The Graces and the Sacraments works for our sanctification. We are to be transformed into the image of Christ.

the church denies that one EVER can know for absolute sense one is saved

Not true. Just read scripture.

 

[Yeshua1]

No. Did you not read those bible verses I presented to you? Did not Peter say "This baptism which now saves you"? Does not Paul say we made clean by the washing? So in line with scripture the RCC is right about baptism. Not just infants but adults too. The Graces and the Sacraments works for our sanctification. We are to be transformed into the image of Christ.

Peter tells us that the water baptism is a type/symbol of what happens to us when we are saved in Christ, for just as the Ark was safety for Noah, so jesus is our Ark!

bible ALWAYS says a sinner made right with god thru faith in God, thru receiving his grace, has to be appropiated by faith, NOT in any rite!
NOT the rite that regenerates, but the Act it potreys, as paul links that together, for when the adult is immersed in the water, that sybolises the act of salvation that already happened!

Not true. Just read scripture.

the Catholic church holds that unless one co operates woth the sacraments of grace, and continue in good works, the person is not sure of being saved, correct?

The act of salvation is immediate in the bible, why do you turn it into a life long process, with no surety on the end?

So please realise form the point of view of Evangelical chrsitians such as myself, the RCC viewpoints on baptism are wrong, on salvation wrong, as you would deny it being the Cross of chrsit being the source/basis of that, but instead that God dribbles and mediates out towards us by/in the sacraments!


Why is it do hard to accept the great news that God has fully and freely forgiven, justified forever all who call upon jesus, thru faith, and have etrnl life in his name, instead of obligation to this long proces that still has no assurance of being saved in the end?

 

[Thinkingstuff]

I am not the source of that second quote. I just want people to know that.

So please realise form the point of view of Evangelical chrsitians such as myself, the RCC viewpoints on baptism are wrong, on salvation wrong, as you would deny it being the Cross of chrsit being the source/basis of that, but instead that God dribbles and mediates out towards us by/in the sacraments!

The problem with your supposition is that not all evangelical Christians agree with you with regards to Baptism or even Salvation. Another problem with your supposition is that you wrongly asses that the "Cross of Christ" as you put it is not "the source/basis of that" ( I believe you mean salvation here). Finally you misapprehend the nature of both Salvation in which context it is being mentioned and the function of those sacraments. Salvation in scriptures in certain contexts refers to Justification. Other parts of scriptures when speaking of salvation is in the context of Sanctification. You often confuse contexts not only in scripture but also in Catholic teaching. Again, I am not the source of your second quote. I believe that you have quoted from yourself. I did not say what you put forth. To prove that on all three counts I have mentioned I will go straight to Catholic Teaching about it straight out of the Catechism. As to the Cross not being the source/basis of our salvation

The Council of Trent emphasizes the unique character of Christ's sacrifice as "the source of eternal salvation"449 and teaches that "his most holy Passion on the wood of the cross merited justification for us."450 And the Church venerates his cross as she sings: "Hail, O Cross, our only hope."451 - 617 CCC

The Church is one because of her source: "the highest exemplar and source of this mystery is the unity, in the Trinity of Persons, of one God, the Father and the Son in the Holy Spirit."259 The Church is one because of her founder: for "the Word made flesh, the prince of peace, reconciled all men to God by the cross, . . . restoring the unity of all in one people and one body."260 The Church is one because of her "soul": "It is the Holy Spirit, dwelling in those who believe and pervading and ruling over the entire Church, who brings about that wonderful communion of the faithful and joins them together so intimately in Christ that he is the principle of the Church's unity." - 813 CCC

To refute your second point you don't understand the nature of the Sacraments.

"Adhering to the teaching of the Holy Scriptures, to the apostolic traditions, and to the consensus . . . of the Fathers," we profess that "the sacraments of the new law were . . . all instituted by Jesus Christ our Lord."... They are actions of the Holy Spirit at work in his Body, the Church... Forming "as it were, one mystical person" with Christ the head...The purpose of the sacraments is to sanctify men, to build up the Body of Christ and, finally, to give worship to God. Because they are signs they also instruct. They not only presuppose faith, but by words and objects they also nourish, strengthen, and express it. That is why they are called 'sacraments of faith.'"44 - 1114-1123 CCC

Why is it do hard to accept the great news that God has fully and freely forgiven, justified forever all who call upon jesus, thru faith, and have etrnl life in his name,

What are you talking about that I don't accept the good new about being forgiven and justified by Jesus? What nonsense is that? This is what the Catholic Church teaches.

'But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.'1 This is 'the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God':'2 God has visited his people. He has fulfilled the promise he made to Abraham and his descendants. He acted far beyond all expectation - he has sent his own 'beloved Son'.3... Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'8 On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church..Jesus means in Hebrew: "God saves." At the annunciation, the angel Gabriel gave him the name Jesus as his proper name, which expresses both his identity and his mission.18 Since God alone can forgive sins, it is God who, in Jesus his eternal Son made man, "will save his people from their sins".19 In Jesus, God recapitulates all of his history of salvation on behalf of men. ..The name "Jesus" signifies that the very name of God is present in the person of his Son, made man for the universal and definitive redemption from sins. It is the divine name that alone brings salvation, and henceforth all can invoke his name, for Jesus united himself to all men through his Incarnation,23 so that "there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."24 ...Christ's death is both the Paschal sacrifice that accomplishes the definitive redemption of men, through "the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world",439 and the sacrifice of the New Covenant, which restores man to communion with God by reconciling him to God through the "blood of the covenant, which was poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins".440

614 This sacrifice of Christ is unique; it completes and surpasses all other sacrifices.441 First, it is a gift from God the Father himself, for the Father handed his Son over to sinners in order to reconcile us with himself. At the same time it is the offering of the Son of God made man, who in freedom and love offered his life to his Father through the Holy Spirit in reparation for our disobedience.442..."For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man's obedience many will be made righteous."443 By his obedience unto death, Jesus accomplished the substitution of the suffering Servant, who "makes himself an offering for sin", when "he bore the sin of many", and who "shall make many to be accounted righteous", for "he shall bear their iniquities".444 Jesus atoned for our faults and made satisfaction for our sins to the Father....Through his grace, the Holy Spirit is the first to awaken faith in us and to communicate to us the new life, which is to "know the Father and the one whom he has sent, Jesus Christ...The transmission of the Christian faith consists primarily in proclaiming Jesus Christ in order to lead others to faith in him. From the beginning, the first disciples burned with the desire to proclaim Christ: "We cannot but speak of what we have seen and heard."'11 And they invite people of every era to enter into the joy of their communion with Christ: ...CCC

So certainly I accept the good news!

instead of obligation to this long proces that still has no assurance of being saved in the end?

The "long process" you are referring to is my sanctification and no matter where I am at in the process at the beginning as a new born believer or as an old man with years of transforming my life into the image of Christ if I am found in him in faith short or long I will be saved. But since I am not yet at the end of my life I like Paul say

I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.
12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. 17 Join together in following my example, brothers and sisters, and just as you have us as a model, keep your eyes on those who live as we do. 18 For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things. 20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body

To which I say AMEN!