KenH
Well-Known Member
uh...yea
Closing one's eyes to the truth never does anyone any good. It's past time for some conservatives to open their eyes.
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The Commander in Chief is Killing our Marines
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Closing one's eyes to the truth never does anyone any good. It's past time for some conservatives to open their eyes.
KenH
Well-Known Member
Please PM me the language you were going to use as a follower of Christ Jesus.
Give me a break. When you figure out who you are get back to me.
Well that would be nice if it is true. however your error is lumping those who support defense in with all the other government expansion. Defense is constitutional, all the others are not, defense is limited to defense, all the others intrude on peoples freedom. I respect the antiwar ideology until it works to intentionally misrepresent those who support defense. Sorry but it is just dishonest.
KenH
Well-Known Member
On that you and I are in total agreeement.
I have enjoyed the discussion. Have a nice evening.
On that you and I are in total agreeement.
I have enjoyed the discussion. Have a nice evening.
And yet it is exactly what you have done.
BigBossman
Active Member
This almost sounds like the rules they had in Vietnam. There was some U.N. rule to where the enemy could shoot at us, but as long they were beyond a certain point, our soldiers could not fire back. All they could do was duck & cover. That was probably one rule that caused us to lose that war.
It wouldn't surprise me if Obama goes to the U.N. for help. This will be a stupid move. It will further endanger our troops over there. The fact that he is taking so long to weigh the options only proves that he is totally inexperienced in foreign matters. He should listen to his generals since they are what I would consider to be experts in military combat.
Unfortunately, this policy, for the most part, ended with Truman during WWII.
Our military accomplishments, again, for the most part, reflect this too!
Unlike WW2, the United States started the war in Iraq by invading Iraq. Blame for civilian causalities rests primarily (not totally) on the country that started the war. by the same token, I would primarily place the blame for civilians killed during WW2 on Nazi Germany and Japan. Do you agree?
Nixon's holiday truces were very similar, maybe even worse.
Holiday truces were a farce during which the NVA had complete run of the country unmolested.
Meanwhile, 6 man Marine recon patrols were sent into the DMZ and along the Loatian border with no artillery support and no air cover.
When they observed the NVA moving large units in broad daylight, they couldn't call in artillery. When they were located and attacked by the NVA, they died. The plan was not to be located.
I place blame for civilian casualties of war upon the enemy that is in the wrong. That, so far, has never been the United States of America.
So, therefore, no I do not agree that the America is to blame for civilian casualties in Iraq. Instead, Saddam and his supporters are to blame for that. His aggression in the first Gulf War, his failure to comply with inspections afterward, and his own saber rattling lead to his ultimate demise. No, America did not "start" the war in Iraq - that's completely incorrect.
I still think we were totally justified in what we did in Iraq and I think both America and Iraq are better off because of it. I think those who have served in that war deserve the honor of knowing their cause was a just cause as was their implementation.
So, therefore, no I do not agree that the America is to blame for civilian casualties in Iraq. Instead, Saddam and his supporters are to blame for that. His aggression in the first Gulf War, his failure to comply with inspections afterward, and his own saber rattling lead to his ultimate demise. No, America did not "start" the war in Iraq - that's completely incorrect.
I still think we were totally justified in what we did in Iraq and I think both America and Iraq are better off because of it. I think those who have served in that war deserve the honor of knowing their cause was a just cause as was their implementation.
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Remember, also, that our enemy in Viet Nam took advantage of the Tet holiday to launch a major offensive. We soundly defeated them, by the way, although you wouldn't know that from most history books. Most of our enemies don't "play by the rules" but, being the honorable people that we are, we at least try. Why we focus so much on the few exceptions to our good conduct I can only surmise is part of an attempt to discredit the far greater exemplary conduct of our military forces.
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Has America ever participated in a war in which you believe we were in the wrong in your view? In other words, is America the other nation in the history of the world that is always in the right? Why are we perfect and all those other nations imperfect. I suspect it's due to accepting the following:
"My country, right or wrong."
Yes I think America has been on the right side of every war we've ever fought so far. I think America has been very blessed in its history so far. But, of course, with the changing attitudes about her - the desire to condemn her and lower her standing among other nations - I wonder if in the future the Lord will continue to be so kind to us.
Does God look at America differently from other countries? Is that what's behind our being perfect? What in the Bible supports that view? My reading of the Bible tells me that only Israel is special in God's sight.
God has greatly blessed America as is self-evident from all that we have enjoyed in our relative short period of history. We'd best guard it well and remain always grateful to Him that provides it. This has nothing to do with the Biblical implications of the nation of Israel in the Old Testament. People from every nation are among His chosen people today. But not all of them are blessed to live in a land as great as ours. This is not because we, as individuals, are superior to others because all men are born in the same sinful state. It merely means that America, for reasons that please Him, has been greatly blessed in modern history. All history - all the greatness of this earth - will pass away some day and be replaced with the true and final greatness of Him. Until then I pray that we and our descendants may enjoy life is such a blessed nation as ours and be an example for others. It is our duty to protect her for as long as we live.
Nonsequitur
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Is that why we were treated to the shots of Islamic people laughing, and dancing in the streets after the Twin Towers?
Are you saying they are not 'civilized people'?
Or are you saying the scenes we were shown were faked?
Nonsequitur
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If the draft is ever brought back, why do you worry?:tongue3:
And on the second note.....when have you EVER defended this country in all of your posts?
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