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Can you say something other than “OK”?
Yes, I can say with you saying it's already fulfilled and me saying it is yet to come,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, what's the point?
Every generation since the 1830’s, when dispensationalism started gaining traction, has been the terminal generation when the rapture would take place. They’ve used the same exact passages to prove this, but have utterly failed each time.
William Miller predicted the rapture on March 21, 1843, and when that failed, he predicted March 21, 1844. Neither proved him correct. He used the same passages being used today as an any moment rapture.
Charles Tazewell Russell failed twice in his predictions in 1874 then in 1914.
Herbert W. Armstrong failed twice in 1936 then predicting 1972-1975 rapture.
Edgar C. Whisenant had his book “88 Reasons why the rapture will take place in 1988 and when that failed, he wrote “89 reasons in 1989”, iirc. Though that wasn’t the exact title.
Chuck Smith predicted 1981.
Harold Camping predicted 1994 then May 21, 2011.
Phillip Mauro in his Revelation commentary, written ~ 1920, taught the formation of the League of Nations was the beginning of the ushering in the anti-Christ. That was obviously false.
Dispensationalism was having a time in the 1970’s with all the turmoil going on in the Middle East, yet, nothing happened. Hal Lindsay was of the opinion the rapture was right around the corner as well.
And they everyone used the same verses to prove they were right.
Obviously, not all of Revelation has been fulfilled, as I’m not a full-preterist.
Care to address those verses I posted concerning “soon” and “near”?
Every generation since the 1830’s, when dispensationalism started gaining traction, has been the terminal generation when the rapture would take place. They’ve used the same exact passages to prove this, but have utterly failed each time.
William Miller predicted the rapture on March 21, 1843, and when that failed, he predicted March 21, 1844. Neither proved him correct. He used the same passages being used today as an any moment rapture.
Charles Tazewell Russell failed twice in his predictions in 1874 then in 1914.
Herbert W. Armstrong failed twice in 1936 then predicting 1972-1975 rapture.
Edgar C. Whisenant had his book “88 Reasons why the rapture will take place in 1988 and when that failed, he wrote “89 reasons in 1989”, iirc. Though that wasn’t the exact title.
Chuck Smith predicted 1981.
Harold Camping predicted 1994 then May 21, 2011.
Phillip Mauro in his Revelation commentary, written ~ 1920, taught the formation of the League of Nations was the beginning of the ushering in the anti-Christ. That was obviously false.
Dispensationalism was having a time in the 1970’s with all the turmoil going on in the Middle East, yet, nothing happened. Hal Lindsay was of the opinion the rapture was right around the corner as well.
And they everyone used the same verses to prove they were right.
What did the Lord say to Daniel when he asked a question that was not intended for him to know at that time?
He told him to go stand in his lot and rest till the end, knowledge will increase.
That's what's happening not only with Dispensationalism, the time is drawing near and the knowledge is increasing.
Obviously we’re closer to the end than we were this morning. That’s not up for debate. I believe in a literal, physical, future second advent of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I was asking @Ascetic X , but why do you wish to avoid them? Read them for yourself and state your opposition to them. I don’t think they can mean anything but near and soon, not millennia later.
Go verse by verse and show me how those verses can be explained as being anything but soon and/or near.
Good, he can address it.
But why can’t you? What is there to lose? This is a debate forum, so let’s debate. It’s not a place to solely state your opinion. It’s a place to debate what we believe, not just state our opinion. It’s not a sounding board forum, but a debate forum.
So, let’s debate.
I have nothing to say to anyone who believes Revelation is already fulfilled.
I didn’t say it was already fulfilled. You putting words in my posts I didn’t type. I do think many things that are being posited for future fulfillment, have already been fulfilled, but Revelation as a whole, has not been fulfilled. Now, let’s debate our differences.
LOL, anyone who places Roman emperors as the 5 fallen kings in Rev. 17 definitely believes Rev. is fulfilled.
Ascetic X
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I think “The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet” has not fully happened yet, it is still in the future.
Ascetic X
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Are you saying that the harlot Babylon in Revelation is Israel? When did Israel sit upon Rome? Rome sat on Israel during the time of Jesus.
LOL, I hope he was joking! But something tells me he wasn't.
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