The guy who boasted that I have not shown any evidence for an eternal day, called the day of God, in the new heaven and the new earth has not shown any evidence for his position, whatever it is.
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The Danger of the Denial of the Pre-Trib Translation (Rapture) of the Church of Jesus Christ
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The guy who boasted that I have not shown any evidence for an eternal day, called the day of God, in the new heaven and the new earth has not shown any evidence for his position, whatever it is.
@37818
Zechariah 14 NIV
14 A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake[a] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.
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20 On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a [merchant] in the house of the Lord Almighty.
In verses 6 to 8, we have the eternal day of the Lord described, after He has made His personal advent (verses 3 to 5). The day is described as spanning over summer and winter, and the concepts of cold, sunlight, day, night and evening will be extinct.
Also, do you really think that, in verse 21, Zechariah is strictly referring to one single day, or every day the worshippers of the LORD come to offer sacrifices?
See also Micah 4:6-7.
Also, in the primitive chapters of Genesis, God says, in the day ye eat of the fruit, ye shall die. Adam and Eve ate of the fruit in a day, but didn't die in that day, even until long after they were kicked out of "paradise" and it turns out they lived several hundred years.
Zechariah 14 NIV
14 A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake[a] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.
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20 On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a [merchant] in the house of the Lord Almighty.
In verses 6 to 8, we have the eternal day of the Lord described, after He has made His personal advent (verses 3 to 5). The day is described as spanning over summer and winter, and the concepts of cold, sunlight, day, night and evening will be extinct.
Also, do you really think that, in verse 21, Zechariah is strictly referring to one single day, or every day the worshippers of the LORD come to offer sacrifices?
See also Micah 4:6-7.
Also, in the primitive chapters of Genesis, God says, in the day ye eat of the fruit, ye shall die. Adam and Eve ate of the fruit in a day, but didn't die in that day, even until long after they were kicked out of "paradise" and it turns out they lived several hundred years.
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37818
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Revelation 21:1-27.
I suppose you pasted that chapter because you wanted me to see a night in the new heavens and the new earth, 37818. I will say one thing about you. You are tenacious and somewhat shameless. Looky here;
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
Logic and reason! If the satellite city, New Jerusalem, is the source of light for the nations, not only can we determine logically there will not be night there, we are actually told there will be no night there in verse 25. It is an eternal day because as the scriptures have taught us about days in time, the evening and the morning represents a day. There is no time in the eternal state and the day is eternal. Think!
@37818, @JesusFan, @atpollard, @percho, @Martin Marprelate and others that have shown some interest in the rapture.
I have said, and it is true, that the immediate context of day of the LORD is always about judgement but when the term "that day" describes certain events in the day then it can be at any time during the day. It might be in the night or events in the day.
"That day" appears 102 times in the prophets of the OT including Job and 22 times in the NT without ever being a prophecy in the Revelation. Why? Because, I suppose, the Revelation is the fulfilment of the prophecies.
My subject on this thread is the translation (rapture) of the church of Jesus Christ as a mystery revealed and completed in the very beginning of the day of the Lord. But I know ones cannot comprehend the translation of the church without first understand God's structure of his week of thousand year days.
Are any of you fellows beginning to see this truth?
This is not the most important thing to know, though it is very important. God says to me, and to us all, these words of first importance.
The Day of the LORD, the day of judgement, the pouring out of his wrath, but that is not all it is. It is the sabbath of God, a 1k year day that is dedicated to the time in the week when redemption is complete, the devil and his system is put down with his men in the lake of fire and Satan in the bottomless pit and Jesus , the King of peace, ruling over citizens that have chosen him to be their King, at least in the beginning of the day. This exact scenario has been demonstrated and pictured for us in the time of Noah.I have said, and it is true, that the immediate context of day of the LORD is always about judgement but when the term "that day" describes certain events in the day then it can be at any time during the day. It might be in the night or events in the day.
"That day" appears 102 times in the prophets of the OT including Job and 22 times in the NT without ever being a prophecy in the Revelation. Why? Because, I suppose, the Revelation is the fulfilment of the prophecies.
My subject on this thread is the translation (rapture) of the church of Jesus Christ as a mystery revealed and completed in the very beginning of the day of the Lord. But I know ones cannot comprehend the translation of the church without first understand God's structure of his week of thousand year days.
Are any of you fellows beginning to see this truth?
This is not the most important thing to know, though it is very important. God says to me, and to us all, these words of first importance.
4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
2 Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
The Day of the Lord refers to the future Great tribulation yet to be experienced by national Israel
atpollard
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… contrary to everything John says in Chapter 1 of Revelation.
atpollard
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Could somebody help a poor eschatology hack?
1. What does the number 7 signify?
2. What would 7 lamp stands represent?
3. What would the 7 spirits represent?
4. What would the 7 churches represent?
John seemed to think they were important to understanding the strange “apocalyptic visions” that were about to follow the opening chapters of Revelation.
1. What does the number 7 signify?
2. What would 7 lamp stands represent?
3. What would the 7 spirits represent?
4. What would the 7 churches represent?
John seemed to think they were important to understanding the strange “apocalyptic visions” that were about to follow the opening chapters of Revelation.
When I make the claim that the Day of the LORD is as one (1) thousand years long and in God's revelation of his entire purpose of renewing the original order, called in Acts 3 the restitution of all things, while the sabbath under the law, the 7th 24 hour days of man is a representation of this day, I should be able to demonstrate it. I will do that in this thread in two places.
First, there is of course the creation of the heaven and the earth and all that is in them in 6 literal twenty four (24) hour days with God resting on the seventh day.
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
This is the same pattern he is following in his creation week of days. Both man and God have a 7 day creation with a last day being the sabbath.
Now, take a look at Jesus in a time when he is heading from Galilee to Jerusalem to be crucified and he wants to show a physical representation of his future kingdom to his disciples, which he does on the Mount of transfiguration in Mark chapter 9. Look at the wording as I quote these verses.
Mr 9:1 ¶ And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Count them off with me. After 6 days is what day? Answer: the seventh day. The sabbath day. Peter did not understand this because he wanted to build on the sabbath day when the idea is to rest. He said the following to Jesus.
5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
So, both aspects of the kingdom coming on the 7th day is here in this chapter. 24 hour days as well as 1k year days.
Some new Bibles, like the NASB, rubs this distinction away by saying "six days later." It is not the same thing and it blurs sound doctrine. The words of God are super precise and any change by careless men of God's way of presenting them is like throwing an ink blot on the Mona Lisa.
First, there is of course the creation of the heaven and the earth and all that is in them in 6 literal twenty four (24) hour days with God resting on the seventh day.
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
This is the same pattern he is following in his creation week of days. Both man and God have a 7 day creation with a last day being the sabbath.
Now, take a look at Jesus in a time when he is heading from Galilee to Jerusalem to be crucified and he wants to show a physical representation of his future kingdom to his disciples, which he does on the Mount of transfiguration in Mark chapter 9. Look at the wording as I quote these verses.
Mr 9:1 ¶ And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
Count them off with me. After 6 days is what day? Answer: the seventh day. The sabbath day. Peter did not understand this because he wanted to build on the sabbath day when the idea is to rest. He said the following to Jesus.
5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.
So, both aspects of the kingdom coming on the 7th day is here in this chapter. 24 hour days as well as 1k year days.
Some new Bibles, like the NASB, rubs this distinction away by saying "six days later." It is not the same thing and it blurs sound doctrine. The words of God are super precise and any change by careless men of God's way of presenting them is like throwing an ink blot on the Mona Lisa.
A teacher should not ask questions unless he has the answers.
atpollard
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I understand … you don’t know.
That’s OK, but I don’t think that inspires confidence in your other speculations on Revelation.
You and myself believe very, very much the same.
AT, I can see how you might have thought I made a snarky comment but that was not my intention. I apologize for it coming off like that. I actually appreciate being able to reason from the scriptures with you guys. My intended point was that few of you fellows ever do more than post a verse or a quote from one of your theology teachers and you make no effort to reason out your position on the scriptures. One man posts Bible verses without regards to contexts. But the name of this part of the forum is Baptist Theology and Bible Study. That is what I am doing but I get criticized at times for too much data. But I know one cannot teach deep theological mysteries with soundbites.I understand … you don’t know.
That’s OK, but I don’t think that inspires confidence in your other speculations on Revelation.
On the Revelation. It declares itself to be a prophecy and not a history. This means for those who attended my school that all things that were spoken by John, who was charged to write it, was from the year 94 AD, when this transpired, forward, unless clearly noted in the text. It is repetitive but chronological.
He is charged to write three (3) things. The things that thou hath seen, the things that are, and the things that shall be hereafter.
The things he had seen was a seven-fold vision of Jesus Christ glorified. Then he was told to write to the seven churches which ARE in Asia presently, and all those churches were at that time in the province of Asia in Asia minor, what we know now as Turkey. Then, he says to write the things that will be hereafter. Now, let us have a full stop here and reason this out. After John was told what to write about the present tense churches in Asia, he was told to write things that will be after the churches in Asia. I am going to let you read that;
Re 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. I do not know how God could have made it any more clear. Everything in the epistle from this point on is about things after the churches. They are not mentioned in time again.
2 And immediately (The twinkling of an eye) I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
Everything recorded from here are events after the church was on the earth.
This should help you in your quest for the truth.
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I am going to interject a subject now that is relevant to the subject of the rapture of the church of Jesus Christ that takes place in time before the tribulation (first 3 1/2 years of the seven years of Daniel's prophecy) and the Great Tribulation, (the second 3 1/2 years of Daniel's prophecy.) The subject is given to us by Luke in his gospel. He names it the "times of the gentiles." It is plural; times. If God had ordained this doctrine then one would look for the trinitarian signature and he would find it in it's span of three distinct dispensations, the Jewish dispensation of Law, the Christian dispensation of the grace of God, and the millennial dispensation of the wrath of God.
The "times of the gentiles" begins when the Babylonian King, Nebuchadnezzar, led Judah captive in 588 BC and dispersed them out of their land and took away the sovereign reign of the king of Judah, a condition that lasts even unto this day and will last until the usurper king, antichrist, takes the throne and is dethroned by the true King.
John 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Why did Jesus come to Judah? Do we know? Are we told? The answer is yes but few people will believe Jesus came into the world to be King over Judah and Israel first, and then King over all the world by extension. Especially will those who teach the replacement doctrine not be able to see the sovereign reign of Christ over all the world though their theology system teaches the sovereignty of God.
John 18:37
Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
John the Baptist said the "kingdom of heaven" is at hand because the Messiah is in their presence. Jesus, sent from God to redeem Israel, ministered to them only, as recorded in the four (4) gospels and the reason he was standing before Pilate in John 18:37 is because he was rejected by his own people through their national rulers and they wanted him dead. Jesus would later say it was through their ignorance that they did it. Let us not be guilty of the same thing.
Jesus Christ will not come back to this earth until he comes back as King over all kings and Lord over all lords. That is what is recorded in Revelation 19. It is not what is happening in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 when he returns in the air for the church that was created on the foundation of the remnant of Israel (Eph 2:19-22) and through the conversion of gentiles during the times of the gentiles.
Here is some information concerning the times of the gentiles from Luke on Wednesday, the day Jesus left the temple for the last time before he was crucified on Friday. When he returns it will be to the temple. This is very symbolic. This is all I will say in this post but I will post a portion of what Luke says in his chapter 21.
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Remember, Matthew 24, speaking of the same event, says when the times of the gentiles are fulfilled God will send his angels to the 4 corners of the earth to retrieve members of this people who have endured to the end and are still living. Their great sound of the trumpet will announce their coming. King Jesus is on the throne in Jerusalem.
We must demand that our teachers tells us the truth. None of these things pertains to the church of Jesus Christ.
The "times of the gentiles" begins when the Babylonian King, Nebuchadnezzar, led Judah captive in 588 BC and dispersed them out of their land and took away the sovereign reign of the king of Judah, a condition that lasts even unto this day and will last until the usurper king, antichrist, takes the throne and is dethroned by the true King.
John 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Why did Jesus come to Judah? Do we know? Are we told? The answer is yes but few people will believe Jesus came into the world to be King over Judah and Israel first, and then King over all the world by extension. Especially will those who teach the replacement doctrine not be able to see the sovereign reign of Christ over all the world though their theology system teaches the sovereignty of God.
John 18:37
Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
John the Baptist said the "kingdom of heaven" is at hand because the Messiah is in their presence. Jesus, sent from God to redeem Israel, ministered to them only, as recorded in the four (4) gospels and the reason he was standing before Pilate in John 18:37 is because he was rejected by his own people through their national rulers and they wanted him dead. Jesus would later say it was through their ignorance that they did it. Let us not be guilty of the same thing.
Jesus Christ will not come back to this earth until he comes back as King over all kings and Lord over all lords. That is what is recorded in Revelation 19. It is not what is happening in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 when he returns in the air for the church that was created on the foundation of the remnant of Israel (Eph 2:19-22) and through the conversion of gentiles during the times of the gentiles.
Here is some information concerning the times of the gentiles from Luke on Wednesday, the day Jesus left the temple for the last time before he was crucified on Friday. When he returns it will be to the temple. This is very symbolic. This is all I will say in this post but I will post a portion of what Luke says in his chapter 21.
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Remember, Matthew 24, speaking of the same event, says when the times of the gentiles are fulfilled God will send his angels to the 4 corners of the earth to retrieve members of this people who have endured to the end and are still living. Their great sound of the trumpet will announce their coming. King Jesus is on the throne in Jerusalem.
We must demand that our teachers tells us the truth. None of these things pertains to the church of Jesus Christ.
Don't know that answer. But there is a real danger in believing in the extra-biblical rapture teaching. Corrie Ten Boom highlighted that
We are up against a formidable foe. Justthe Left Behind books, alone, sold over 60 million copies by 2016, and then there are all the movies including on with Nicholas Cage and another with Kevin Sorbo. All this and more has a marketing budget in the millions. But you would never catch the same folks buying a commentary--which if you read the leading evangelical New Testament scholars, you will find they stick to context...the Second Coming of the NT. No rapture.....Christians really need to give reading the key passages in context an honest try... Paul is writing about the Second Coming in Thessalonians and 1 Cor. 15 etc. Paul, the Parousia & his Epistles
I addressed the danger in my OP but for some reason no one got it and continued to plead ignorance.. Please see below the statement of the danger. It is an excerpt from the OP.
Let me briefly offer some commentary about the danger.
Most religious people on the earth today are not saved because they do not know how to be saved. Not knowing and understanding the doctrine of the rapture of the church of Jesus Christ is not the reason a single person is unsaved. Sinners are saved by the gospel of Jesus Christ and in the immediate context of the gospel the rapture has absolutely nothing to do with it. Absolutely nothing!
God said to us so clearly how he saves sinners that it would take a Christ rejecter to miss it and to teach another way. Take a look.
Ro 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it (the gospel) is the power (authority) of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein (there in the gospel) is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
In 42 verses in the New Testament scriptures we have the term "the faith." In these verses we have a definition of the gospel. It is the fundamentals that one will believe about the person and work of Jesus Christ, who came into the world to save sinners. The sinner must come to a decision about himself that he is a desperate sinner without any hope of escaping the just judgement of a thrice holy God and be cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death without his love, grace and mercy of sending his own perfect son into the world to face that judgement of God in our place and then imputing his perfect righteousness to the account of those who will simply trust that God is honest when he declares that is what he will do. The sinner must come to God, from whom he is separated by his first sin and all subsequent sins, in the name of Jesus Christ his son, to be reconciled to God and be given the gift of eternal life. I hope you have done that.
People who quote often here do not believe in the rapture of the church that I believe in. Many do not believe any of the doctrines of God that I believe in, although they use the exact same terminology that I use. The "church of Jesus Christ" is one such term. The church that is taught in scriptures bears no resemblance to the church that these men say will not be raptured but will endure the wrath of God in a tribulation, a tribulation BTW that bears no resemblance to the tribulation that I speak of from the scriptures.
One of the challenges that I have made in this thread is to define what is meant by the church of Jesus Christ. No one has defined the church but one man said it was spiritual Israel but offered no evidence for his claim. This is such a great error concerning this doctrine and it affects so many other Bible doctrines that I cannot have confidence that we would agree on much of anything that is written in the scriptures. As a matter of fact, I do not believe these doctrines and convictions are developed from careful and prayerful Bible study but by denominational leaders and preferences and writings.
One thing I will agree with the Reformed on. God is not creating a church that he calls "spiritual Israel" that he intends to rapture. He has not said that anywhere.
I do no know how many commentaries are on the market these days for free but there must be some else this charge against marketing the gospel would not make sense. Why would it be good for one to make money for their product and not good for the other? Somebody makes money off these commentaries and some of them have been on the market for years.
I am not for sensationalizing the Bible by writing a novel as the means to teach the truths of God and I have never read the left behind books or seen any movies about them but I know that the translation doctrine of the church of Jesus Christ is a Pauline mystery that he was charged to reveal in his letters to the churches and it was not a creation of the authors of these books.
So, to mis define and misrepresent the church of Jesus Christ by denying it's unique character as the body and bride of Jesus Christ, after the pattern of Adam and Eve, as the Calvinists and the Reformed denominations have done in their presentation of the work of God is far worse in measure than those they accuse as a foe.
These groups and their high profile preachers do not define the church of Jesus Christ biblically and therefore reach wrong conclusions about it. God the Father is fashioning a body for his son and he is taking it from his body and giving it his life, the Holy Ghost to permanently indwell the body. When it is complete, he will take it to where he is, which is pictured by the Garden of Eden. It will be called New Jerusalem bye and bye.
Gen 3:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Today, the only saved people on the earth is in this body regardless of their ethnicity or social standing or position in life. They all got there the same way, by trusting the gospel of Jesus Christ, that is that he died for our sins, was buried, and rose from the dead on the third day. This is the only way to be saved by God. Nobody was justified by God the Father in this manner before the cross and resurrection of Jesus Christ, though many people were justified by their faith in what God said to them. When the church is gathered together from over the earth and from heaven and the earth and taken with Jesus to the Father's house, there will not be left a single saved person on the earth.
Since faith cometh by hearing, God will send two witnesses from the OT, Moses and Elijah, to preach his gospel of the kingdom, and will through them raise up 12,000 preachers from each of the 12 tribes of Israel for a total of 144,000 preachers who will take this gospel over the whole world and they will have the special protection of God on them so not a single one of them will perish. This is the same gospel , the gospel of the kingdom of God, that Jesus and his disciples preached to Israel during our Lord's time on earth. They must believe the Jesus who sacrificed himself for the sins of the whole world is coming back to establish his kingdom on earth and most believers during these days must and will be called on to seal their faith with their life's blood. "They loved not their lives unto the death."
The Reformed already have a head start on not believing the promises of God of a righteous kingdom of Jesus Christ on this earth. Not many atall believes the promises. This will have to be believed with great conviction of it's truth in order for believers to face the guillotine to prove it in that day.
I urge all Reformed and rapture deniers to reconsider the scriptures that inform us of what lies ahead for this earth and to "Believe the Words!"
At the end of the tribulation of this time period there will be few left on the earth but there will not be a single unsaved person to begin the world wide Kingdom of Jesus Christ which will last one thousand years, according to what God says but is denied regularly by some religious people.
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One of the last questions the disciples of Jesus Christ asked him before he was arrested and tried and found guilty of a capitol crime and put to death without appeal.
Matt 20:20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedees children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
The last question the disciples asked Jesus;
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Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
The answer of Jesus
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Their present charge:
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
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Matt 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder (God the Father), which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen (Stewards - Rulers), and went into a far country: See Isaiah 5
34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he (the certain householder - God the Father) sent his servants (prophets) to the husbandmen, (stewards) that they (the servants) might receive the fruits of it.
35 And the husbandmen (stewards) took his servants (the prophets), and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
36 Again, he sent other servants (prophets) more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
37 But last of all he (the householder God the Father) sent unto them (the stewards) his son (Jesus Christ), saying, They (the stewards) will reverence my son (Jesus Christ).
38 But when the husbandmen (stewards) saw the son (Jesus Christ), they (the stewards) said among themselves, This is the heir; (of the vineyard) come, let us kill him, (Jesus Christ) and let us (the stewards) seize on his inheritance (the vineyard).
39 And they (the stewards) caught him (Jesus Christ), and cast him (Jesus Christ) out of the vineyard (the inheritance), and slew him (Jesus Christ).
Note: Cast him out of Jerusalem, the seat of government representing the vineyard
40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard (lower case "l" - equals the return of the resurrected Jesus Christ to his inheritance) cometh, what will he (Jesus Christ) do unto those husbandmen? (stewards)
41 They (the chief priests and the elders of the people - see V 15) say unto him (Jesus Christ), He (the lord of the vineyard) will miserably destroy those wicked men (the husbandmen/steward)s, and will let out his vineyard (inheritance) unto other husbandmen (stewards), which shall render him (Jesus Christ) the fruits in their (the other stewards) seasons. (plural)
42 Jesus saith unto them (the chief priests and the elders of the people present - see V 15) , Did ye (the chief priests and the elders of the people present - see V 15) never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected (Jesus Christ), the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's (Jesus Christ - his title by his church, the remnant) doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you (plural -the chief priests and the elders of the people present - see V 15) , The kingdom of God shall be taken from you (plural -, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (the strangers scattered abroad - see the Jewish Christian epistles)
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
There is much to unpack in these parables after the Jewish rulers of his generation officially rejected his right to be their King and Messiah and decided to put him to death in Matt 10-12. Their rule was threatened by Jesus and his claims. The remnant now comes into focus in the prophetic scriptures and the mystery church age. The church has a Jewish foundation and the nationhood of Israel is suspended by death of the nation bye and bye, but not ended, because Jesus Christ has the power to raise the dead.
Believing the words of the scriptures is paramount to a sound doctrinal biblical understanding of God and his ways.
Matt 20:20 Then came to him the mother of Zebedees children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
The last question the disciples asked Jesus;
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Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
The answer of Jesus
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Their present charge:
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
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Matt 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder (God the Father), which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen (Stewards - Rulers), and went into a far country: See Isaiah 5
34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he (the certain householder - God the Father) sent his servants (prophets) to the husbandmen, (stewards) that they (the servants) might receive the fruits of it.
35 And the husbandmen (stewards) took his servants (the prophets), and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
36 Again, he sent other servants (prophets) more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
37 But last of all he (the householder God the Father) sent unto them (the stewards) his son (Jesus Christ), saying, They (the stewards) will reverence my son (Jesus Christ).
38 But when the husbandmen (stewards) saw the son (Jesus Christ), they (the stewards) said among themselves, This is the heir; (of the vineyard) come, let us kill him, (Jesus Christ) and let us (the stewards) seize on his inheritance (the vineyard).
39 And they (the stewards) caught him (Jesus Christ), and cast him (Jesus Christ) out of the vineyard (the inheritance), and slew him (Jesus Christ).
Note: Cast him out of Jerusalem, the seat of government representing the vineyard
40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard (lower case "l" - equals the return of the resurrected Jesus Christ to his inheritance) cometh, what will he (Jesus Christ) do unto those husbandmen? (stewards)
41 They (the chief priests and the elders of the people - see V 15) say unto him (Jesus Christ), He (the lord of the vineyard) will miserably destroy those wicked men (the husbandmen/steward)s, and will let out his vineyard (inheritance) unto other husbandmen (stewards), which shall render him (Jesus Christ) the fruits in their (the other stewards) seasons. (plural)
42 Jesus saith unto them (the chief priests and the elders of the people present - see V 15) , Did ye (the chief priests and the elders of the people present - see V 15) never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected (Jesus Christ), the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's (Jesus Christ - his title by his church, the remnant) doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you (plural -the chief priests and the elders of the people present - see V 15) , The kingdom of God shall be taken from you (plural -, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (the strangers scattered abroad - see the Jewish Christian epistles)
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
There is much to unpack in these parables after the Jewish rulers of his generation officially rejected his right to be their King and Messiah and decided to put him to death in Matt 10-12. Their rule was threatened by Jesus and his claims. The remnant now comes into focus in the prophetic scriptures and the mystery church age. The church has a Jewish foundation and the nationhood of Israel is suspended by death of the nation bye and bye, but not ended, because Jesus Christ has the power to raise the dead.
Believing the words of the scriptures is paramount to a sound doctrinal biblical understanding of God and his ways.
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Our Lord Jesus did not speak to Israel in parables until very near the end of his earthly ministry and until after the ruling class of Israel had denied his messianic and divine credentials in Matt 12. This is just after he had called his national officers, the 12 apostles and 70 elders, and appointed them with special gifts. His national intentions of establishing his kingdom over Israel, that had been announced by John the Baptist, as at hand, was ready to be realized but it required national repentance and acceptance of him. Rather than accepting him as the King, the Jewish rulers stood in the way and so his kingdom could not be instituted at this time and therefore he turned off the lights for these men who refused to see, by the use of speaking in parables. I did not make this up. One can read for himself if he too has not had the lights turned off for him because of religion and unbelief.
I am going to quote him saying it while asking ones reading this to realize that this was a silly question here at the end of his ministry if he had been speaking in parables all along. Take a look and think.
One should read Mt 12 in preparation for this;
Matt 13:The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Note: this is what happens when a covenanted generation of people who were specifically charged to recognize and usher in their king and fulfill the prophecy of old and failed to do it. This generation committed the unpardonable sin and God will not save these men who hindered him, neither in this world (age) or in the world to come. (which we are in now)
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
There are smart people reading this but are there any wise people?
These disciples can get the meaning because they had a relationship with a divine teacher.
Let's talk about the light being extinguished.
I am going to quote him saying it while asking ones reading this to realize that this was a silly question here at the end of his ministry if he had been speaking in parables all along. Take a look and think.
One should read Mt 12 in preparation for this;
Matt 13:The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Note: this is what happens when a covenanted generation of people who were specifically charged to recognize and usher in their king and fulfill the prophecy of old and failed to do it. This generation committed the unpardonable sin and God will not save these men who hindered him, neither in this world (age) or in the world to come. (which we are in now)
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
There are smart people reading this but are there any wise people?
These disciples can get the meaning because they had a relationship with a divine teacher.
Let's talk about the light being extinguished.
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